1940s Christmas Island postmark - genuine?

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1940s Christmas Island postmark - genuine?

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This item is currently on eBay.


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The only information I can find on Christmas island postmarks of the period is that a new 26mm diameter postmark was used "from 1946".

With the design of the stamp being around 19mm across this postmark seems too large.

Any Christmas Island experts out there, or with comparable period covers?

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They all are scarce that era. THat double ring looks pretty kosher on the face of it.

The single ring is one that I see most of -

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By my scaling your postmark is the 26mm one, and my reference source mentions some being in blue

The eBay one is much bigger and may be the preceeding one, but is November 1946, which is obviously late 1946 and could narrow the change over date - if genuine.

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Re: Proud Type D9 Christmas Island Postal Agency Datestamp

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60022Mallard wrote:
03 Jul 2020 01:41
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Any Christmas Island experts out there, or with comparable period covers?
I don't have any 1946 Christmas Island–India cover with this specific postmark but the cancel dt. NO 18 1946 appears to be Proud type D9 CHRISTMAS ISLAND POSTAL AGENCY datestamp, recorded used by Proud for a short period from May 30,1946 to Dec 9,1946.

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Ref. The Postal History of Malaya (Vol.I: Straits Settlements)
Edward Wifrid Baxby Proud.

Proud-Bailey Company Limited, Heathfield, England 2000 2nd Ed.
Chapter V: Post Offices and Postmarks
Christimas Island; p.332

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Thank you Joy.

Chapter and verse.

On that basis I suspect it will sell for a fair sum!

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I'm no expert, but to me, the Proud type D9 (as suggested by Joy) seems to differ from that on the piece.

It may be due to inking, but in the cancel on the piece, the I of ISLAND apparently has cross bars top & bottom.

Also, the gap between CHRISTMAS & ISLAND seems smaller on the piece (though I'm not sure how accurately such things tend to be illustrated in the catalogue).


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The Pom wrote:
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It may be due to inking, but in the cancel on the piece, the I of ISLAND apparently has cross bars top & bottom.

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Yes, especially when the I in Christmas apparently doesn't.

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The illustrations in Proud are not always 100% accurate. Hopefully other people can post scans of their own examples of this postmark - sorry, I don't have one.

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There does appear to be the star and "Y" of agency in the right place.

Are Proud illustrations not drawings rather than actual copies?

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Some of Proud's postmark illustrations appear to be photocopies of, for example, 1949 audit strikes. Others are drawings, e.g. Gomoa Eshiem, Gold Coast, with a spelling mistake.
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Re: Proud Type D9 Christmas Island Postal Agency Datestamp

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flip138 wrote:
03 Jul 2020 18:24
The illustrations in Proud are not always 100% accurate.
Exactly. Anyone who is familiar with Proud's works would know that.
60022Mallard wrote:
04 Jul 2020 03:47
Are Proud illustrations not drawings rather than actual copies?
Proud's illustrations of postmarks are traced from actual postmarks on cover/piece.

Often, in case unclear strikes, the letters are drawn tentatively following the postmark lettering pattern.

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Found an image of a 1946 cover that has the Christmas Island Postal Agency postmark.

1946 Christmas Island cover and Postal Agency Postmark
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Thank you all for your contributions.

Based on the last contribution I may have to increase my initial £1.05 bid!

I will report back when it finishes.

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AMark wrote:
04 Jul 2020 05:31
Found an image of a 1946 cover that has the Christmas Island Postal Agency postmark.

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The cover is philatelic.

Both the examples shown here are dated NO 18 1946. :?

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AMark wrote:
04 Jul 2020 05:31
Found an image of a 1946 cover that has the Christmas Island Postal Agency postmark.


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Well done Mark ... the same cds as in post #1 I'd suggest -

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The eBay item sold today for £10.51. It had 8 bids from 4 bidders:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373093747624
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