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Are the postmarks on this 1900 New South Wales cover scarce?

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Another cover I need help with please.

Would anyone be able to comment on the scarcity of the postmarks used on this cover, particularly the 488 mark on the stamp and two of the back stamps - ‘Glenmorrison’ and ‘Walcha Road’.

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Not common at all.

488 is from ENNIS and I cannot even find that location on google!

It is rated RRRR by Freeman. Who says it is 21 Km from Port Macquarie.

Glenmorrison is also a tiny flyspeck, being adjoining to Walcha.

So I am guessing ENNIS was East of Walcha, toward Port Macquarie?

Numeral MIGHT possibly be 489 of WAMMERAWA, but looks more like 488, and anyway 489 is also rated high RRRR and it well north of Walcha.

I'd be trimming it nearly at left if I owned it!

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Global Administrator wrote:
10 Jul 2020 12:13
Not common at all.

488 is from ENNIS and I cannot even find that location on google!

It is rated RRRR by Freeman. Who says it is 21 Km from Port Macquarie.

Glenmorrison is also a tiny flyspeck, being adjoining to Walcha.

So I am guessing ENNIS was East of Walcha, toward Port Macquarie?

Numeral MIGHT possibly be 489 of WAMMERAWA, but looks more like 488, and anyway 489 is also rated high RRRR and it well north of Walcha.

I'd be trimming it nearly at left if I owned it!

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For what it is worth, Walcha Road is a stop on the main Northern Line. Likely the post was going by train from there, via Broadmedow, to Sydney, thence on to Melbourne.

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10 Jul 2020 12:13

So I am guessing ENNIS was East of Walcha, toward Port Macquarie?
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Not sure where Ennis is but found this:

The Ennis post office was moved to the Wauchope general store on 7 May 1883.

https://www.aussietowns.com.au/town/wauchope-nsw

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Rigs wrote:
10 Jul 2020 12:22

Not sure where Ennis is but found this:

The Ennis post office was moved to the Wauchope general store on 7 May 1883.

https://www.aussietowns.com.au/town/wauchope-nsw
As Wauchope is near Port Macqaurie it appears Ennis was West of Wauchope?

Not sure the info above is strictly correct?

PPA tells us it had a PO established in 1868 and was downgraded to a receiving office in 1915, and closed in 1924

https://www.premierpostal.com/cgi-bin/wsProd.sh/viewpodet.w?cdpo=10941

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PO 1/1/1868; RO 1/11/1915; closed 30/6/1924.

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The cancel is a badly struck 687 of Glen Morrison,

very rare on cover,

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Yes David appears correct .. the lat number sure looked like an upside-down 4 to me. :lol:

The Glen Morrison cds on reverse seem to tie that in perfectly.

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The village of Ennis was very near modern Wauchope, likely along the newly opened road up the mountain to the New England plateau. It seems Wauchope may have "consumed" it.

So Ennis around Oct 2, Glen Morrison Oct 3, Walcha Rd Oct 4, Sydney Oct 5.

If I can find an old map of the area, it may be located on there, it was just a small settlement.

edit: strike the Ennis, it came from Glen Morrison, also a now forgotten village.
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It never went near Ennis, that was a presumption if the cancel was 488, which it is not, it was posted at Glen Morrison on October 3rd, transit Walcha Road the following day,

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And I said that in the edit, long before you replied. :roll:
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Allanswood,

I never saw your edit when I pressed the submit button,

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All good, it's just cranky Friday.
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David Benson wrote:
10 Jul 2020 12:38
The cancel is a badly struck 687 of Glen Morrison,

very rare on cover,

David B.
It is a very isolated bit of sheep grazing country south of Walcha, near the edge of the Tablelands. Excellent pasture, but rather prone to footrot. Hardly anybody lives there now, and probably not too many in 1900. Not surprising that these covers are as scarce as rocking horse manure.

The Union Manufacturing Agency sold patent medicines. Maybe they had a patent medicine for footrot? :lol:

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They sold just about everything, a "we send it to you" department store.

Union Manufacturing and Agency Catalogue
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Many thanks for all your help here. It is nice to know there are some scarce markings on it.

Is there much of a market for this sort of domestic cover, I mainly focus on Australian covers with the 6d Rate to Britain so don’t know a lot about this area.

Also, is the postmark guide book mentioned earlier giving scarcity still available to purchase or is it out of print? Thank you.

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A bit of real estate Googling found the picture of what the area at Glen Morrison looks like, on a good day.

Finally, just to complete the picture, homage to the merino, the wool producer that made it all possible. Not mine sadly, filched from Richard Juzwin's website.
Glen Morrison area, near Walcha
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GB 789 wrote:
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Also, is the postmark guide book mentioned earlier giving scarcity still available to purchase or is it out of print? Thank you.
Yes I sell a box each year of them - superb hard cover, full colour, with dust jacket, for $A185 ($US125) (Stock 736LE) apiece -

https://www.glenstephens.com/snjanuary18.html

Not cheap, but neither is the $1,000 cancel you might find, the first time you use it! :lol: :lol:

Most of these type of books sell out fast, and do very well on the secondary market.

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A bit of research has found me a map of NSW of all the Postal Stations, Mail Roads and Telegraph Offices for 1898.
And... :D

I'll have to try and get a larger format scan of the map otherwise it will take 100 screen shots.

You may wish to add this info to your cover.

Glen Morrison NSW 1898 location
Glen Morrison NSW 1898 location
Ennis NSW 1898 location.
Ennis NSW 1898 location.
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Many thanks for that extra information, I will add a description to go with this cover. As I said earlier, my main interest is QV Australian state covers to the UK but it’s nice to also have a sideline as I have quite a few domestic covers too. I love all those names on the map, particularly Salisbury Plains, I wonder how similar it is to the one here in Britain near Stonehenge! Not very probably!!!

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Actually, it wasn't unusual for an early settler to name the area because that's exactly the place in the UK it did remind him of and the name would stick.

Google earth shows Salisbury Plains NSW (the area name is still used today), to be a flat area with the hills away in the distance.
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Allanswood wrote:
11 Jul 2020 09:54
Actually, it wasn't unusual for an early settler to name the area because that's exactly the place in the UK it did remind him of and the name would stick.

Google earth shows Salisbury Plains NSW (the area name is still used today), to be a flat area with the hills away in the distance.
As a tidbit for those interested, it turns out that Ennis is a stone's throw from where I live (I could see it from my office window if there wasn't a bank of trees in the way). Right where the map above shows Ennis there is now Ennis Road, that runs of Stoney Creek Road. So that suggests Ennis was roughly 2kms or so from Wauchope, on the East side.

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