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Question about letters/characters extended downwards

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A question that may seem strange to you.

What do you call (if there is a technical term) the capital letters extended downwards? They are neither serifs nor capitals..., see here in the picture e.g. the M of MAIL and "H" of BAGHDAD and HAIFA.
Is there a technical term for this?
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Roots in latin-script?

or maybe just calligraphy
latin alphabet 4.GIF
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The problem is that I plan to do a new detailed listing, indicating the characteristics of the individual route instructions and thought there is a specific term how to describe these downwards extended characters.

If there is no specific term, what would be the best way in describing them?

What about the "double sized" full stop after "Haifa"? What wouold be a good description for this?
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If you don't want to go with latin script,
how about 'extended lettering' or 'extravagant' or 'flower-ery'.
'Lofted-letters'

I would've thought latin script was the first really flower-ery writing.

All in all, they probably combined latin script with what they thought looked good, stood out.

Just another font, one of thousands now (probably).
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22028 wrote:
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What do you call (if there is a technical term) the capital letters extended downwards? They are neither serifs nor capitals..., see here in the picture e.g. the M of MAIL and "H" of BAGHDAD and HAIFA.
Is there a technical term for this?

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Letters with finial/terminal descenders

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Joy Daschaudhuri wrote:
14 Jul 2020 04:44
22028 wrote:
14 Jul 2020 03:43
What do you call (if there is a technical term) the capital letters extended downwards? They are neither serifs nor capitals..., see here in the picture e.g. the M of MAIL and "H" of BAGHDAD and HAIFA.
Is there a technical term for this?

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Letters with finial/terminal descenders
"finial"

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Re: Question about letters/characters extended downwards

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Decorative flourishes added to letters are usually called swashes by typographers. They're most common in calligraphic or italic typefaces. The examples you show are not particularly decorative and might also be called spurs.

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As a suggestion " elongated lettering".

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The portion a letter which is below the line is a descender or tail.

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As a practising designer/typographer, technically they are a form of 'swash', or even an 'elongated swash serif' in the OP example, but 'finial' above is fine too.

As a matter of interest a ancestor of mine was among the first to use them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swash_(typography)



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Perhaps a swash?

A swash is a replacement to a terminal or serif in any capital letter for purely decorative purposes. They can be seen attached to ascenders and descenders, among other things... In this case, descenders (a part of a character that descends below the baseline).
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Thanks to all for the valuable input. I made now a draft of the new listing i plan, much work of course ahead.
If i add other details like usage data (earliest/latest, known numbers) and used where) in this table of a separate, table i do not know yet.
I may need to scan every item in my comprehensive collection ones again to get all the required measurements, earlier i only recorded the total size, in line with Collins but this does not seems to be sufficient for a clear identification since the listing by Collins did not give a clear information how he has classified them. Not only me is having problems in identifying the items correctly.
Another collector friend had given the advise to add some sort of vertical "guide lines" to the scans, but this is even more work.

The numbering on top will reflect my new numbering when the listing is complete as well as the old Collins number. The image of the Route instruction is a scan of the Collins Handbook which i will take as reference as this book is still widely used and will add also a original scan of an item.
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How to "group" the items based on the Text, one line/two lines or more, with dividing line in the middle, below, frame around, text in other language than English etc... is also under progress..., see also here for Route Instruction Handstamps

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=80088

The Route Instruction Handstamps are a bit easier despite there is a larger variety but with the exception of a few handstamps as they are more easy to identify just from the image and size.
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Re: Question about letters/characters extended downwards

Post by Rigs »

Hey 22028,

Great work. One terminology correction though. You would describe ‘Baghdad - Haifa’ as in ‘caps and lower case’, not ‘capitals and small’ letters.

That would be an industry standard jargon, hope it helps.

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