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Hi, can anyone shed any light on this postmark please? The closest I've come to is "STANBOUL", the archaic name of Istanbul, but it's not an exact match.

I've checked the UK Postmark Database often referred to here, to no avail.

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Hiya, I was stumped by this one too, I dropped a note to John Parmenter who is the authority on these types of cancels, he very kindly replied and steered me towards his book The Barred Numeral Cancellations of London.

It is available as a free download on the GBPS site, see link below towards the bottom of the page - if you go to the opening text under page xxix, this cancel is illustrated under Foreign Branch Cancellations as 'For Special Use'. I hope that at least gives you something to work with.

https://www.gbps.org.uk/information/downloads/lphg-publications.php
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Superb Goober. I did check this site out but didn't know where to start. The image is exactly as above, but I wonder what "Special Use" it was used for.

I've got a couple of other unidentified postmarks, but I'll spend some time at the GBPS site before bothering everyone here.

Your help much appreciated.
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For Goober....And please thanks John Parmenter!
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Hi atmospheric,

No worries and I thanked John for his response too. There's a further reference in that book on page 214 but I can't see any specific info ref the 'Special Use'.
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I have a nice 1867 5s but the cancel is"Ascot Grandstand" which i am struggling to find a reference too.Any ideas please


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ldpower101 wrote:
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I have a nice 1867 5s but the cancel is"Ascot Grandstand" which i am struggling to find a reference too.Any ideas please
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I believe this would be related to Royal Ascot race course in Berkshire, England. Perhaps a semi-permanent or temporary PO set up for larger horse racing events.

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Wondered whether it was a temporary PO.I knew it was the racing course,or at least thought it was.Are these cancels common.I know the stamp is the easiest of the plates but rather nice to see it with a cds rather than those heavy numeral cancels.

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presumably used on a Telegram form which should have been destroyed,

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ah,that makes sense

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ldpower101

Having almost completed showing my UK horse racing collection you might think that I would have seen this postmark before but have not.


https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=86935

I have seen others like this one:


Manchester Grandstand
Manchester Grandstand

But have had similar difficulties to what you are experiencing. I would agree Royal Ascot is your Grandstand & a telegraph office to send off the race results. :)
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Special steel cancels were pretty common at Cricket Grounds when matches were played, so Race Courses might well have been in the league?

All should have been burned of course and these fetched $1000s each at times.


The top one sold for about $A5000!

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wow.I am surprised and a bit chuffed to have found this in a collection I recently bought. Allways nice to find something that is perhaps special.Thankyou for all your info.

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ldpower101 wrote:
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wow.I am surprised and a bit chuffed to have found this in a collection I recently bought. Allways nice to find something that is perhaps special.Thankyou for all your info.
Yes a scarce cancellation, even if telegraphic, on a high value like this is a very significant find.

I have acquired a good number of these 5/- plates over the years as well as seeing many in friends’ collections and at exhibitions. One thing that has struck me is that even though Plate 1 is not as scarce as plate 2, it seems far easier to obtain plate 2 in VFU condition with a good CDS. Plate 1s seem more difficult to acquire with cds and not the usual part duplex cancel.

At Stampex a good few years ago there was a display devoted to this stamp with over 100 examples from the various plates. A very interesting stamp.

I don’t have my copy of SG GB numbers printed to hand but I don’t think the numbers of plate 1 and 2s printed was massively different (unlike plate 4).

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