Federated states of Malaya Stamp - is this a variety?

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Federated states of Malaya Stamp - is this a variety?

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I hope this photo link works cos I'm new to this. Please feel free to roll your eyes and then tell me what to do to make it work.

This stamp came in a small album I recently purchased. I think it is a printing error (top left) as there is no mark on the back in the same place. Can anyone advise? Has anyone seen this fault before? Does this make the stamp more valuable than the normal catalogue price?




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The top left triangle seems to be part of another stamp (denominated 1c) which someone attached to a damaged 5c stamp.

I don't think it would actually be possible to have a genuine printing error which would look like your stamp.
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HalfpennyYellow wrote:
19 Sep 2021 01:06

The top left triangle seems to be part of another stamp (denominated 1c) which someone attached to a damaged 5c stamp.

Which will be immediately obvious on a 1 second glance on the back of course.
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HalfpennyYellow wrote:
19 Sep 2021 01:06
The top left triangle seems to be part of another stamp (denominated 1c) which someone attached to a damaged 5c stamp.

I don't think it would actually be possible to have a genuine printing error which would look like your stamp.
That's what I though at first, so I have looked on the back under a magnifying glass and as advised there is no corresponding line,crease, mark on the back in the same spot. Hence the question.

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Thanks for the attachment advice.
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Global Administrator wrote:
19 Sep 2021 01:10
HalfpennyYellow wrote:
19 Sep 2021 01:06

The top left triangle seems to be part of another stamp (denominated 1c) which someone attached to a damaged 5c stamp.

Which will be immediately obvious on a 1 second glance on the back of course.
Here is the back.
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I ran this through RetroReveal (http://retroreveal.org), and this is what I got:

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So unlikely a variety. I agree with HalfpennyYellow that it is likely part of another stamp which someone attached (at the front) to a damaged 5c stamp.

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Margie1148 wrote:
19 Sep 2021 02:58
I ran this through RetroReveal (http://retroreveal.org), and this is what I got:


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So unlikely a variety. I agree with HalfpennyYellow that it is likely part of another stamp which someone attached (at the front) to a damaged 5c stamp.
Sorry I'm new to this what is retro reveal?
I'm guessing someone stuck the 1 over the 5 that was just "rubbed off" on the front without being actually torn.

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From the back it looks like the red(ish) area has been added. That is where the 1 cent part in the corner comes from. From the back it is easy to see that at the left side (right side from back side) of the stamp perforation jumps there. The original stamp had likely a thin and missing corner. If you let light shine through the stamp you might see it is uneven thickness and that funny things may happen with the watermark (should there be one).

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kuikka wrote:
19 Sep 2021 04:56
From the back it looks like the red(ish) area has been added. That is where the 1 cent part in the corner comes from. From the back it is easy to see that at the left side (right side from back side) of the stamp perforation jumps there. The original stamp had likely a thin and missing corner. If you let light shine through the stamp you might see it is uneven thickness and that funny things may happen with the watermark (should there be one).
Thanks for the advice - that sounds interesting - will do.

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Float it in some water with gum side in the water , and see if the stamp separates into 2 pieces .Robert

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parkgate270160 wrote:
23 Sep 2021 05:46
Float it in some water with gum side in the water , and see if the stamp separates into 2 pieces .Robert
Great idea.

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Re: Federated states of Malaya Stamp - is this a variety?

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Anna66 wrote:
24 Sep 2021 03:51
parkgate270160 wrote:
23 Sep 2021 05:46
Float it in some water with gum side in the water , and see if the stamp separates into 2 pieces .Robert
Great idea.
Great, except for two things

1) It will destroy the subject you are testing
2) It might not be water soluble glue

I think it looks like a "sliver inset", being a portion of another stamp, suitably trimmed and thinned, and pasted onto the front of the subject.

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Small sliver, cut to shape

(Note that, at no point does the sliver "touch the purple outer frame", so the repair will appear invisible from the rear)


To check this, non destructively, you need a powerful light source, such as a cyclists LED head torch (from the pound shop), a piece of paper, and the suspect stamp.

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Place this face up on the table, and turn it on.
They are very bright, so use a blank sheet of printer paper to make it "intense, but not dazzling".

Then place the stamp over the LED lit spot.

If its a sliver, it will clearly be thicker, and you may see parts of the original design appearing "like a watermark".

I don't have an example to show, (and its too close to dinner to make one :( ),
but here is the other activity you can use this setup for.... checking watermarks on stamps.

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Checking the watermark on a Natal stamp

The principal difference being I scanned the stamp and printed it large, using it as a filter (instead of clear white paper).

So, in essence, "you merely need a strong backlight, to test if you can detect the extra inset piece".

Good luck.

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