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A detailed look at Saarland Postage stamps 1947-1959.

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First a short summary of the political situations defining Saarland. Gleaned from various Wiki sources as well as other on line data.

Saar was one of the occupied areas to come under the administration of France after WWII.

French administration

The postal service in the Saar Area was separated from that of the French zone of occupation in Allied-occupied Germany on 28 July 1945. The Oberpostdirektion Saar (High Postal Directorate of the Saar) was formed in Saarbrücken. Postal services began in August 1945 for official purposes. Private mail (initially to a restricted extent) was resumed in September.

The first stamps valid only in the Saar Area were issued in 1947.
Six designs, including workers of various occupations, Mettlach Abbey, and Marshal Ney were used. Three of these values were also printed on paper watermarked with a pattern of curving lines. These stamps were denominated in German currency and were replaced in November by French currency denominations. The postal tariffs were adapted to the French system with mail to France at the domestic rate and mail to Allied-occupied Germany at the foreign tariff. The postal service of the Bizone subsumed mail to the Saar Protectorate under the foreign postage only as of 1 October 1948.

On 17 November 1947 the Oberpostdirektion Saar was transformed into the Post-, Telegraphen- und Telephonverwaltung des Saarlandes (abbreviated like the French correspondent entity as P.T.T. Saarland; Post, Telegraph and Telephone Administration of the Saarland) keeping the headquarters in Saarbrücken. Postal vehicles and postboxes were green as in France. The French established the Saar Protectorate in December 1947, and on 1 April 1948 the P.T.T. Saarland issued a new series inscribed "SAARPOST", followed by another in 1949 inscribed "SAAR". The P.T.T. Saarland issued a few commemoratives each year through 1956, punctuated by a definitive set showing various buildings, in 1952.

After the 1955 Saar Statute referendum failed, France accepted the prevailing preference of the Saar population to return to Germany. So following that, mail to West Germany, East Germany or either part of Berlin was charged again with the domestic postage.

German administration

On 1 January 1957 the P.T.T. Saarland was transformed into the Oberpostdirektion Saarbrücken of the Deutsche Bundespost. The return of the Saar Area to German control was commemorated on 1 January 1957 by a special stamps, followed shortly by definitives with the standard profile of President Theodor Heuss inscribed both "SAARLAND" and "DEUTSCHE BUNDESPOST". The numerals did not indicate a monetary system, but were implicitly francs; later in 1957, the stamps were reissued with a small "F" after the numeral.

Starting on 8 July 1957 mail from the Saarland to France, the French dominions, Italy and Luxembourg was not subsumed under the domestic tariff bu under a preferential postage granted until 30 June 1959, when the general foreign postage started to apply.

Additional commemoratives appeared regularly for several more years while the German monetary system was re-established on 6 July 1959. The last postage stamp of the Saar was a single 15-franc issue honouring Alexander von Humboldt, which went on sale 6 May 1959. Thereafter Saarland used the regular stamps of the Federal Republic of Germany.

I have scanned in my collection.

I now show all the pages before dealing with enlarged examples.

The issues are flooded with plate flaws and no doubt these will be examined in more detail as stamps emerge.

Batches of five scans showing album pages. Gives overview of what there is too be collected.


Unfortunately on off white paper so not best for showing perforations etc.

However, enlarged stamps (later) should be enough to show further details.

I am sure others have good collections and look forward to seeing them.

I will eventually concentrate on Michel specialised definitions but also useful to see what Stanley Gibbons offers.

I will not go into detail with describing overview pages but will come back to each page after showing the full spectrum of issues.



Saarland Figure 1.

Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1947. German currency.
Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1947. German currency.







Saarland Figure 2.

Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1947, French currency.
Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1947, French currency.










Saarland Figure 3.

Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1947, French currency.
Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1947, French currency.









Saarland Figure 4.

Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1948.
Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1948.









Saarland Figure 5.

Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1948-49.
Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1948-49.
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Saarland Figure 6.

Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1949-51.
Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1949-51.








Saarland Figure 7.

Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1949-50.
Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1949-50.







Saarland Figure 8.


Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation <br />1950-51.
Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation
1950-51.







Saarland Figure 9.

Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1951-52.
Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1951-52.







Saarland Figure 10.

Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1952-55.
Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1952-55.

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Saarland Figure 11.


Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1952-53.
Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1952-53.








Saarland Figure 12.

Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1954.
Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1954.







Saarland Figure 13.

Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1955.
Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1955.








Saarland Figure 14.

Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1956.
Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1956.









Saarland Figure 15.


Saarland postage stamps. Federal Republic of Germany issues 1957.
Saarland postage stamps. Federal Republic of Germany issues 1957.

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Saarland Figure 16.

Saarland postage stamps. Federal Republic of Germany issues 1957.
Saarland postage stamps. Federal Republic of Germany issues 1957.








Saarland Figure 17.

Saarland postage stamps. Federal Republic of Germany issues 1957.
Saarland postage stamps. Federal Republic of Germany issues 1957.








Saarland Figure 18.

Saarland postage stamps. Federal Republic of Germany issues 1958.
Saarland postage stamps. Federal Republic of Germany issues 1958.







Saarland Figure 19.

Saarland postage stamps. Federal Republic of Germany issues 1958-59.
Saarland postage stamps. Federal Republic of Germany issues 1958-59.









Saarland Figure 20.

Saarland postage stamps. Flood relief, blocks 1 and 2.
Saarland postage stamps. Flood relief, blocks 1 and 2.







Saarland Figure 21.

Saarland postage stamps. Official stamps 1949.
Saarland postage stamps. Official stamps 1949.

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OK.

The overview album pages are scanned in.

Now for detailing the issues.

Any offerings here appreciated.

As I said above, I will deal with Michel mainly although much greater simplification comes though SG, so references will be made on comparative scarcity according to CV and depth of studies made.

Having a break now. Dogs and garden beckons.

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Excellent Saar collection.
The postal tariffs were adapted to the French system with mail to France at the domestic rate and mail to Allied-occupied Germany at the foreign tariff.
If I may add some details. From the time mail to Germany was resumed until 17 Nov 1947, mail to Germany was at the inland rates. On 17 Nov 1947, mail to Germany was now considered international, but domestic rates continued to be applied. On 1 May 1948, mail to Germany was set at the same international rates as to other countries.

I will show some covers at the appropriate time.

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Excellent post too Map. Details always needed (corrections too).

Looking forward to seeing covers (and flaws).

Bracing to deal with there 1947 issues.

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Some examples of the Mi 259 PF I. If anyone has an example of PF II please post as it seems almost impossible to find.
Page view 1st then detailed views of individual examples.

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Some Plate Faults for Mi 256 I,II & III. Makes it easier to see what to look for. Hope it helps.

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A selection of Plate Faults for Mi 262 & 263, also examples of Type I & Type II for each stamp. These are page views so if you need an example blown up let me know.

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Here are some translations for the different Types of sheets for Mi 255-258 Block 1 cm I and Block 2 Fd I Mi 259
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Wow chalk!

Juicy examples all. Gold mine.

I think I will pause in showing flaws until I have put in the basic stamps.

Feel free to send though, we can also get back to these later.

I am intrigued by the high CVs of the flaws on some of the examples.

What is your opinion on realistic CV% they go for? 10-20%?

Market for German stamps seems crazy just now. The COVID factor.

Here is an enlarged bit from my block 255-258. (I had to add something flaws didn't´ I)?

Stamp 258 with ´large dark blue fleck below windows. Any ideas? B1 IV [at] €800?? Random blob?

I am not always impressed by the flaw illustrations in Michel.


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John, I haven't seen too many of the Mi 262-263 with PF's. The few I have seen sold for about 20% of CV.
The Mi 259 PF I for ** about 30% haven't seen many used for sale or offered.
Yes the flaw seems to look like B1 IV is this on a sheet?

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amazing examples of the flaws; thanks for sharing. Most of these i have never seen before.

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Thanks Chalk.

The B1 IV was on my sheet.

I cannot find an example of the B1 IV on the net so no comparison available (as yet). Scarcity underscored then.

Nice find stimulated by your post (if it is a B1 IV).

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Now dealing with details.


Below is an annotated scan of the 1947 issues. I have highlighted in red boxes the more interesting stamps in term of CV and watermarks.

The Michel numbering is below each stamp.
The SG lists these as SG. 203-222.


1947 French Occupation



Saarland Figure 22.
Saarland postage stamps.  French Occupation 1947 issue.
Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1947 issue.

Most are on non-watermarked paper except for:

Mi.211(12Pf) WM. X and Y.
Mi.222 (75pf). WM. X and Y. The Mi.222X has an exceptional CV listed as €1000 used!

The watermarks X and Y are as follows (as seen from back of stamps).


Saarland Figure 23.

Saarland postage stamps. Watermarks on some of 1947 issue.
Saarland postage stamps. Watermarks on some of 1947 issue.


Basically most of issue have low CVs.

German currency. The 15Pf, 30Pf, 45Pf, 50Pf and 60Pf command the highest used CVs (€28, €18, €26 and €28 respectively) and this is mirrored in higher CVs on letters.

A similar profile is in SG. Here the paper is deemed yellowish with brownish gum.

Basic used set €110 Michel, SG £120.


Michel opts for (grey) yellowish thick paper with yellowish gum.


Various designs were used as shown next.


Saarland Figure 24.

Saarland postage stamps. Designs used in  French Occupation 1947 issue.
Saarland postage stamps. Designs used in French Occupation 1947 issue.



Of note are the variations in the height of the bar across the ´A´s` in ´SAAR` (and 1M not 1M SM as shown later ) of relevance to the overprinted printings later.


Saarland Figure 25.

Saarland postage stamps.  French Occupation 1947 issue variations in the ´A´s`of ´SAAR`.
Saarland postage stamps. French Occupation 1947 issue variations in the ´A´s`of ´SAAR`.

Next to deal with the change to French currency and overprinted (OP) stamps. This can get a little complicated.

I am looking for help here for people to show their very scarce and hence high CV overprints on Urdruck (original printings) stamps.

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French Currency Overprints.

November 1947 saw French currency printings by way of use of overprints on original issues of 1947 or on new printings with whiter paper and white gum.

Slightly confusing then.

There are distinct differences between the printings and also their scarcity as witnessed by the Michel CVs.

The Michel table for OP on original (Urdruck-Type I) and the new printings (Neuauflage-Type II) are shown in the next figure. Note the CV for the Urdruck!

Note also the OP set is shorter. The OPs are on Pf values of 2, 3, 10, 12, 15, 16, 20, 24, 30, 50, 60, 84 and 1M.
The 1947 set has also Pf values 6, 8, 25, 40, 45, 75 and 80 values, these are ´missing ´in the French currency OPs.

There are also stamps of the new printing without the OP that command a high CV.


Saarland Figure 26.

Saarland postage stamps. Michel table of 1947 French Currency overprints.
Saarland postage stamps. Michel table of 1947 French Currency overprints.


What are the differences?

These reside for various denominations in:

The height of the cross bar in the ´A` of `SAAR`.
The figures of the OP.
Differences in the print.


The OP basics are shown on one example here, a later printing.


Saarland Figure 27.

Saarland postage stamps. French Currency overprint design from one example of later printing.
Saarland postage stamps. French Currency overprint design from one example of later printing.

I already showed the ´SAAR`characteristics for the 1947 issues.

The differences are amplified below as taken from Michel.


Saarland Figure 28.

Saarland postage stamps. French Currency overprint and design differences for early and later printings.
Saarland postage stamps. French Currency overprint and design differences for early and later printings.


Note the 1 mark new printing has 1SM not 1M (an easy one).

I only have a couple of the old printings with OP. Looking for someone to grace their high rollers here.


Here is a reminder of my newer printing OPs.



Saarland Figure 29.

Saarland postage stamps. French Currency overprints on later printings.
Saarland postage stamps. French Currency overprints on later printings.





A few examples showing differences in ´SAAR` comparing basic early issue to those of later printings with OP.

Saarland Figure 30.
Saarland postage stamps. French Currency overprints on later printings showing differences in ´SAAR` of basic early issue to those of later printings with OP.
Saarland postage stamps. French Currency overprints on later printings showing differences in ´SAAR` of basic early issue to those of later printings with OP.


More tomorrow.

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Another look at differences between first and later printings.



Saarland Figure 31.

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Flaws on issues.

Michel lists hundreds of flaws for first printing and the OP issues. I hope we can see them all here?

I add a link to World Stamps Project.org here where one can find examples of SAARLAND flaws ( I count 73 presently).
Chaulk´s wonder flaws shown in this thread are not there (at the moment).

The WIKI project encourages people to send in flaws (Worldwide stamps) and is an excellent source to see flaws ´live`. Maybe others can send in their flaws? I added a few hundred from various countries and one does get bonus tokens that can be ´spent`with a few sellers (although not too many).

https://worldstampsproject.org/germany-saarland-postage-stamps-flaws/

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I guess there is no point in showing the Michel listed plate faults in that the World Stamp Project shows them nicely.

I am interested in what they call "Coincidental Varieties". I assume they are non-listed plate flaws that have only been seen on a single copy. It would be nice to confirm them with other copies as we have been doing on your various threads.

I will begin submitting flaws to them.

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Here is one not listed on the World Stamp Project web site:

Mi 211 Y IV Colored Spot at Top of 'R' in 'SAAR' (Field 41)

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I think that showing flaws here is useful Map even if they are in WS Project.

Coincidental flaws always interesting to those who find them interesting :?: Two of us, at least, in SB.

Seek and ye shall find another (maybe), so let us look. We are not doing too badly, as you indicated, in seeing duplicated flaws.

Saarland is a haven for spots, blobs, nicks and whatever else marks, mark stamps, as odd.

I will dig out some reputed oddities, although German scrawled hand writing of such examples has me mostly baffled and such stamps need our closer attention to ascertain exactly what someone else saw!

Makes me want to resurrect interest those Krone and Adler Mi. 47, 48, 49 and 50´s where there is literature honed after in depth analyses.

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Just browsing your last stamp 211 Y IV.

What about the other chatter?

Added your stamp with some annotations.
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I think that there is a good deal of variation in frame lines, the right hand side maybe always suspect.

I also think that mint stamps offer best idea of what might a flaw as the cancelled are obviously hostage to the inking.

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Browsing. Here is one I had not logged.
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I am presuming this is Mi.264 I ? However, Michel describes this flaw as shortened S.

Is this a coincidental? Seems that the S is connected.

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I had noticed the chewed bottom left corner and colored dot in the first 'A' of 'SAAR'.

These are not present in the World Stamp Project nor in my other two copies.

That, of course, does not mean they could have developed into something permanent as the plates underwent wear and tear. Or as Michel would say: "Partial Edition"!

Mi 211 Y IV:
Mi 211 Y IV Colored Spot at Top of 'R' in 'SAAR' (Field 41) Copy 1.jpg

Mi 211 X IV
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The 'S' in 'SAAR' in normally attached.

The bottom curve of the 'S' is definitely shortened compared to other copies.

Here are a few with a 'Stamp Day in Saarland' Saarbrücken postmark from 1949:

Saar Mi 264 Block of 6 with Stamp Day 3 Apr 1949.jpg

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And here is Mi 264 II Thick White Dot in Upper Right Square (Field 2):

Saar Mi 264 II Thick White Dot in the Upper Right Square.jpg

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And while we are on the topic, here are some Mi 264 ZS (vertical gutter pairs).

It seems that this issue came in sheets of four sets of stamps 5x5 separated by a horizontal and vertical gutter.

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Thank you map for comments on the Mi. 264. I now will place it as a 264 I. I should have known the ´S´was always attached.

Thanks also for the other 264 examples.

A sweet Mi.264 II, now that is a definitive dot in right corner ´quadrat` in Michel speak.

The part sheets interesting.

Not much data on perforations in the Saarland arena (lucky us). Second strip you show has wavy line of perfs on top.

Moving on into easier waters, now with the 1948 page as below.

Saarland postage stamps 1948. Mi.239-254.
Saarland postage stamps 1948. Mi.239-254.

Still rather austere designs. Not too happier a time in 1948.

Break down in detail as in boxed sections.

Basically not an expensive set though the 20Fr airmail has a CV used of €45 (** €35, * €15).

First two boxed in stamps all at €42 **, €18 * and €13 used.

Used postally (letter) show better CVs. and first day cover (FDC) high CVs. (€100 - €450). So anyone having such covers should consult the Michel Specialised ( or ask me to detail Michel CVs).

Reminder
** NHM
* HM




Saarland Figure 32

Saarland postage stamps 1948. Mi.239-247.
Saarland postage stamps 1948. Mi.239-247.

Love the artistic descriptors for some of these by SG. Man´s head, Woman´s head, Miner´s head!
Michel slightly more elaboarte, man is worker, woman is woman in scarf, although still miner.









Saarland Figure 33



Saarland postage stamps 1948. Mi.248-251.
Saarland postage stamps 1948. Mi.248-251.



The designs show:

Hochofen-Blast furnace.
Giesserei-Steel worker.
Bauarbeiter-Construction worker.
Hauptportal der ehem Benediktinerabtei Mettlach-High gate to Benedictine Abbey at Mettlach.










Saarland Figure 34

Shadows on planes over Saar valley.

Saarland Airmail postage stamps 1948. Mi.252-254.
Saarland Airmail postage stamps 1948. Mi.252-254.

No flaws listed for Mi 239 to Mi 254 in Michel.

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I took a quick look at these. I didn’t notice any major PF’s but did indicate a few possible strange flaws. A few varieties, but nothing worth commenting on. Since the value of the PF’s are rather low I probably didn’t spend much time on these. Blow up’s of particular items are available just ask. I will look at some others as well. You can just copy the sheet and blow it up as well for better viewing.

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A few Pf's/Flaws:

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A few Common Covers:

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It appears that a few images have disappeared of Mi 298, so I will re-post them here.


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Nice close ups of those plate faults chaulk. I will have look for them.

Forgot this horizontal gutter pair when we were discussing Mi 264

Saar Mi 264 ZW Gutter Pair.jpg
Mi 264 ZW

I am taking up the challenge to show some of those first Urdruck overprints. Some are not so easy. The paper/gum differences are helping and I am making some progress.

As to the plate faults on the overprints and the basic stamps, I definitely will have to do some serious translating of the zillions Michel entries for those stamps before proceeding.

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Terrific input both Map and Chalk.

i shall plod on through the basic issues and hope to kindle up other flaws and interesting features.

Nice area this.

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Some easy Urdruck overprints. First two with raised crossbars in the 'A':

Saar Mi 228 Z I.jpg
Mi 228 Z I

Saar Mi 234 Z I.jpg
Mi 234 Z I

1 M rather than 1 SM:

Saar Mi 238 Z I.jpg
Mi 238 Z I

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I was a little too quick identifying the 1 Fr. on 10 pf. Urdruck overprint in the previous post.

There are two types of overprint. One has the '1' and 'Fr.' at 1.0 mm apart; the other has them 1.5 mm apart.

The one shown in the previous post is 1.0 mm apart can be further defined as Mi 228 Z I I.

Here are the two types of of Urdruck 1 Fr. on 10 pf. overprints:

Saar Mi 228 Z I I Distance 1.0 mm.jpg
Mi 228 Z I I – Distance 1.0 mm

Saar Mi 228 Z I II Distance 1.5 mm.jpg
Mi 228 Z I II – Distance 1.5 mm

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Here are the two types of overprints on the Neuauflage stamps:

This combination could only come from columns 4 and 5.

Saar Mi 228 Z II I (1.0 mm) and Mi 228 Z II II (1.5 mm).jpg
Mi 228 Z II I (1.0 mm) and Mi 228 Z II II (1.5 mm)

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Map. Where is the information from on the 1 and F distancing please?

Great information as usual.

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Now I understand how I missed it the first time I posted it. It is not shown on the catalog listings you posted.

Here is the information from my 2015 catalog:

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Interesting Map.

Good to know and the benefit of the expertise here.

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Next page.

Here is album page with Michel numbering for Mi.255-266.



Saarland Figure 35

Saarland postage stamps album page showing Mi. 255 to Mi.266.
Saarland postage stamps album page showing Mi. 255 to Mi.266.

Sets are
Mi.255 to 258 and 259 (Air mail). Flood relief fund.
Mi.260-61. Maps of Saar.
Mi.262-263. Youth Hostelling.
MI. 264. Chemical research.
Mi. 265-266. Horse Day.

Enlargements now.

Saarland Figure 36

Saarland postage stamps Mi. 255 to Mi.258.
Saarland postage stamps Mi. 255 to Mi.258.

During the winter of 1947-48, there was severe flooding in Saar; the then French occupied region of Germany. Large parts of this important industrial area were left completely submerged. In an effort to raise funds to provide assistance to homes and factories in the deluged areas, a set of stamps was issued with a surtax in October of 1948. The set consisted of: four stamps showing various flood scenes as well as two miniature sheets; one, an imperforate Postage sheet showing the four designs; two a perforated Air Post sheet showing an additional design. They were all printed by Hélio Vaugirard in Paris.

Stamps show extent of flooding in various locations.




Saarland Figure 37

Saarland postage stamp Mi.259.
Saarland postage stamp Mi.259.




Saarland Figure 38

Mi. Block cm1.

Discussed earlier as being possible flaw IV on sheet.

Saarland postage stamp Block cm 1. Flood relief fund.
Saarland postage stamp Block cm 1. Flood relief fund.

Flaw.
Saarland postage stamp Block cm 1. Flood relief fund enlarged arwashowing flaw IV.
Saarland postage stamp Block cm 1. Flood relief fund enlarged arwashowing flaw IV.





Saarland Figure 39

Mi. Block 2.
bl 2.png


We have seen examples in thread before showing flaws.

Older Michel catalogue CVs but more now I think.

Perhaps Map can check these?

Michel
255 ** €5 used €42
256 ** €5 used €40
257 ** €7 used €50
258 ** €8 used €60
259 ** €35 used €280
Block 1. ** €700 used €3400 (* €300)
Block 2. ** €600 used €2400 (* €250)
SG.
252 ** £7.5 used £60
253 ** £7.5 used £50
254 ** £11 used £80
255 ** £14.5 used £80
256 ** £39 used £400
Block 1. ** £1300 used £4500
Block 2. ** £800 used £3000

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2015 prices up, down and some the same

255 ** €5.50 used €45
256 ** €5.50 used €40
257 ** €8 used €60
258 ** €10 used €60
259 ** €30 used €300
Block 1. ** €1000 used €3400 (* €400)
Block 2. ** €600 used €2400 (* €250)

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John - nice little Flaw on the S of the Mi 259 ?

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Unfortunately no.

Went back to stamp, wiped it off......flawless. A wipe away flaw (WAF)!

Pity as it seemed a nice triangular blip.



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Saarland Figure 40

Saarland postage stamps showing Mi. 260 and Mi.261.
Saarland postage stamps showing Mi. 260 and Mi.261.



Saarland Figure 41

Flaw I on Mi.260. Tiny dot under hyphen between 1947 and 15.
Saarland postage stamps showing possible Mi. 260 I flaw.
Saarland postage stamps showing possible Mi. 260 I flaw.

Enlarged area.
Saarland postage stamps showing possible Mi. 260 I flaw enlarged.
Saarland postage stamps showing possible Mi. 260 I flaw enlarged.


This one really requires some imagination unless it is graphically illustrated. Position links good but not certain.
Not a WAF.

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A nice €400 stamp :D ...

Saar Mi 232 Z I Forgery.jpg
Saar Mi 232 Z I Forgery

... unless you turn it over! :(

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Saar Mi 232 Z I Forgery

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Saarland Figure 41

Mi.262 and Mi.263. Youth Hostels Fund. Plenty of these seen above concerning flaws.
Genuine cancels add plenty to CVs.



Saarland postage stamps showing Mi. 262 and Mi.263.
Saarland postage stamps showing Mi. 262 and Mi.263.


Some flaws and possible flaws I have.

Saarland Figure 42

Mi 262 I.

Saarland postage stamps showing Mi. 262 I.
Saarland postage stamps showing Mi. 262 I.







Saarland Figure 43


Mi 262 II.

Saarland postage stamps showing Mi. 262 II.
Saarland postage stamps showing Mi. 262 II.






Saarland Figure 44


Mi 263 II.

Saarland postage stamps showing Mi. 263 II.
Saarland postage stamps showing Mi. 263 II.




Saarland Figure 45


Streak most probably damage.

Saarland postage stamps Mi. 263 with possible flaw. Streaking in lower left corner?
Saarland postage stamps Mi. 263 with possible flaw. Streaking in lower left corner?






Saarland Figure 46

Saarland postage stamps Mi. 263 with possible flaw small breaks under second ´A`of ´SAAR`.
Saarland postage stamps Mi. 263 with possible flaw small breaks under second ´A`of ´SAAR`.

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Map thanks for the forgery. How on earth does someone know this. Paper, OP differences? Does look rather too pristine. Gum maybe?

Anyway interesting. This area riddled with forgeries, no doubt, given the very high CVs for some. A signed set puts one back a thousand or more euros.

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I found three examples out of 11 stamps. There was no sign of any other dots above 'Jahr' so I think this is type II.

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How on earth does someone know this. Paper, OP differences? Does look rather too pristine. Gum maybe?
I think you have the answer with "rather too pristine." Here are some hi-res images of the overprints:


Saar Mi 232 Z I Forgery Overprint Closeup.jpg
Mi 232 Z I Forgery

Saar Mi 232 Z II Overprint Closeup.jpg
Mi 232 Z II


The forged Urdruck overprint does look "perfect" compared to the Neuauflage overprint.

The brownish gum and brownish paper look good for an Urdruck stamp.

These hi-res images give better representations than the Michel images of what to look for under the miner's legs to differentiate between the issues.

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