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Nice cancel. :mrgreen:

Large blocks, even full sheets of all Ozzie Dues are common with cancels and full gum.

Simply a Bulk Postage receipt and/or receipt for large numbers of Postage Due items to one company.

500 unpaid letters to a Sydney bank HQ etc at 1000 pence Postage Due owed on the day, was 5 quid owed, and you could always ask for stamps as receipt, and they were cancelled.

I had 1000s of the 5/- Bi-colours at one stage, in full sheets with gum.

Seven Seas Stamps in Dubbo, and Kevin Duffy at Rocket Stamp in Cremorne, used to get them CTO for payment of "Postage Reply Paid" letters for return of approvals to them etc.
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Rod Perry wrote:Very convenient "rebirth" for a grubby mint stamp is a distinct possibility. I believe RPSV is brave to issue a Cert for this item.

A moderately skilful forger, emboldened by the high realisation (Glen says about AU$34k) at Siegel, had a few years to locate a suitable donor stamp. Not all mint examples of this stamp are fine.

Of the three examples, the cancellation on "3" is the least challenging, in terms of application.

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The mossgreen stamp was invoiced yesterday for $38,400 .... near double what Gary Watson told me he was planning to estimate it for. (Richard Juzwin was under-bidder) :mrgreen:

https://www.mossgreen.com.au/m/lot-details/index/catalog/310/ ... mples-were

I do not think the RPSV was "brave" for regarding it as genuine used, that was totally self-evident to me from day #1 - but VERY sloppily not outlining the obvious toning/staining - even the auction house mentioned that. :idea:

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It is like the 2 x sideways watermark ½d green 'OS' Roos in the same sale - sideways had NEVER been sighted for near 100 years, and when Simon Dunkerley found the first one the Royal Victoria scandalously sent it back as “treated and faked”! Insane.

Two more were quickly discovered - the watermarks pointing in either direction, proving at least 2 sheets existed, and now all this time later 2 more turn up.

Rod famously hates all watermark errors, but for the record this very ugly stamp est $7,500 was invoiced for $31,200 - over 4 times estimate.

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Global Administrator wrote:Rod famously hates all watermark errors, but for the record this very ugly stamp est $7,500 was invoiced for $31,200 - over 4 times estimate.
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He chose . . . unwisely.

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So glad to see that the 20/- went to a good home where I know for sure it will be appreciated.
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Hi all, I'm looking for any information on this blank value space, this isn't mine and the photo was taken by my phone, the owner would like to know if has value.

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Many thanks from my friend Robert.

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Micky, obvious a sun fade or bleach forgery .. red is the least colourfast of inks. :idea:

Whilst typing, something a little different below, I listed up here today for $A40.
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Australia 1932 Postage Due stamps in cds *USED Blocks 4*.
This trio will not win any beauty contests, but are nicer 'in the flesh' than they look in photo. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Clean and sound. Perfs that look short are not, as just postmark ink in those places. Torn off corner on one, but 2 blocks are marginal, even more unusual on USED blocks - shame they did not have imprints!

A BLOCK of a 1d is really weird and scarce used, as there of course was a 4d printed for just this use, and being for double deficiency on a 2d letter, even a pair of 2d made more sense to use.

All with different date Rockhampton Qld cds. SG D106 £42 as singles, and blocks many times that, as near none are known.

Most readers know my view on postal used blocks of 4, and how they will all likely greatly increase in value in quite short order - https://www.tinyurl.com/Glen4-16 - most especially the high values.

Most are scarce, and many are truly RARE. You could spend all day and phone EVERY dealer in the book and ask if they have a 1923 6d Roo postally used block in stock at ANY price, and the answer will be “NO”. Ask them if they have a used 5/- Harbour Bridge, and they ALL have one of those! Join up the dots. One is TRULY scarce, and the other is not! :mrgreen:

When the ACSC prices them in used BLOCKS, as they are in Europe catalogues, the prices will go insane, as few exist of these.
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A New Discovery just back from the RPSV with a good cert. Previously unrecorded - UNIQUE.

Australia 6d Postage Due, third watermark perf 14, pale yellow green Harrison printing, unused SG D97 Inverted Watermark.

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Australia 1902 Empty Base Dues Perfs Confusion....

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(starting to lay out my pages for Australia, realized chronologically first come the Dues starting in 1902, then the Roos)

I have the ASCS Dues Catalog from 2014. I also have Scott's 2015 Classic Specialized, the Gibbons Australia 2015 edition, and the 2010 Michel Oceania Catalog.

Now, working on my database to correlate the various Catalog numbers, and let's just say I am getting very lost between the different listings.

ASCS lists 3 Perf varieties for the 1902 Empty Base issue : 11.5x12 (all 8 values), 11x11.5-12 (2 values) and 11 (1 value)

Scott lists Perf 11.5 and Perf 12 as the perfs, no separate listings suggesting both perfs exist for all 8 values, plus minor varieties for the perf 11x11.5 and 11 varieties)

Gibbons listing is the same as Scott in terms of perf varieties.

And then there is Michel... :shock:

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reading the info in ASCS on perfs for the 1902 issue, it seems there has been some reorganization of listings compared to previous editions. At one time there were 11.5 and 11.8 perf versions, but no version that was only perf 11.5 all around or perf 12 all around, so the decision was made to condense the listings to one set of 11.5x11.8

so...would Michel's Perf 12s (the E series) and Perf 11.5s (the F Series), and Scott and Gibbons main listings in both perfs, all collate down to the 11.5x11.8 in ASCS? Or is there a difference that is worth separating 11.5s from 11.8s?

Color me confused!!!!
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Re: Australia 1902 Empty Base Dues Perfs Confusion....

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ACSC listing is based upon the greatest collection of Australian Postage dues ever formed.

That collection incorporates the second and third best collections, one of which was Arthur Gray collection.

The research embodied in ACSC is the cumulative study by learned philatelists over many decades.

A serious collector of Australian 'dues would not open the pages of the other three catalogues to which you refer.

SG would be suitable for a less than "serious" collector, intent upon having a representative collection of the various issues.

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I agree with you Rod but as a generalist collector of Worldwide I really am more trying to form a representative collection with some specialist material added in regarding perf, shade and paper varieties not listed in the mainstream catalogs.

I am guessing that the perf 12 and perf 11.5 all around varieties listed in Scott, Michel and Gibbons all equate to ASCS's 11.5x11.8 but just wanted confirmation of that from other members more experienced than I on these issues.

And don't get me wrong, the ASCS catalogs are definitely the "catalog of record" here but few dealers outside of Australia use them, hence why I am trying to correlate the catalog numbers in my database. I'll get more use with Michel numbers on Delcampe than ACSC numbers, but will have a better chance finding varieties listed in ACSC laying unrecgnized because dealers use Michel etc and don't know about or use ASCS numbers if I know whas ASCS number equates to what Michel number, etc.

As Glen says "knowledge is power" so having a detailed database correlating different catalog numbers gives me an edge to potentially find bargains in the global philatelic marketplace online.
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Gene the SG 2018 just arrived on my desk ONE page covering Australia postage dues from start to finish.

The ACSC has 100s of pages on Postage Dues.

So clearly far more detail in the latter!

That is your trade-off. :mrgreen:

Scott/Michel/SG are pretty simplified really.

Same with Roos - ACSC has a thick book on them, and Scott and SG have a page each.

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See I don't see it as a trade-off.

I'd rather have all the knowledge in front of me accessible.

I just need to make is easily accessible when I am either looking for material online, at a stamp show (such as next year's American Philatelic Society annual Stampshow, which is being held here in Columbus) or going thru circuit books or old collections. Having a database that i can open up with a click of the mouse and see that ASCS #a = Michel # b = Scott #c = Gibbons #d without digging out all of the catalogs and flipping through is one key way for me to do that (plus its just not practical to carry all those paper catalogs with me if I am away from home).

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Re: Australia 1902 Empty Base Dues Perfs Confusion....

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Hopefully this will help. I have recently updated my listing correlating the Catalogue Numbers between the 2018 Stanley Gibbons (SG) of Commonwealth & Empire Stamps; 2017 Australasian Stamp Catalogue (ASC); and the 1999 & 2014 editions of Brusden White's ACSC Postage Dues.

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Clearly, as they state, both the SG and ASC have simplified their listing, primarily by not distinguishing between the "11.5" and "11.8" / "12" perforations.

The numbers in red show the differences between the two ACSC editions. As you stated, a decision has been made to consolidate the "11.5" and "11.8" measurements because they were effectively indistinguishable (since in practice the gauges vary and overlap). Hence a stamp perforated 11.5 x 11.8 by these line machines could be measured as "11.8 x 11.5" - especially for a single stamp.

For your information, below is the range of listed perforations from the 1999 edition of BW's ACSC Postage Dues - showing both Blank at Base and Filled Base issues. The latter indicates a greater number of measurable perforations (i.e. previously found by collectors) that have now been consolidated (from 7 to 4) in the 2014 edition.

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Good hunting, Greg.

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Thanks much, Greg!
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Added this gem to stock this week. :)
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Australia 1922-30 Third Watermark 2d Postage Due stamp - striking imperf at side error: 2d carmine and yellow-green, wing-margin example from the left of the right-hand pane. With the first vertical column of perforations omitted from the right-hand pane. Resulting in the stamp being totally Imperforate at Left as you can see. ACSC D108B, Cat $1,000. Fresh MVLH, and unbeatably fantastic perfs and centering for this issue, and deep bright original colour. An enormously attractive and desirable error. If it were on a Roo postage stamp not a Postage Due, you could add a ZERO to this price! $A695 (Stock 892FK)
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Hi all,

Here is another nice block I bought for my collection, postally used, with numeral cancel 46 of Hamilton

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Possibly more interesting is the fact there is an interesting variety affecting 4 stamps being the first vertical row of four under the 1. Is this a listed variety?

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All are very similar in nature

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Hi all,

Is nobody able to help with this? I don't have the ACSC for Postage Dues.

I would really appreciate it if somebody could look if the varieties are listed so I can add a note to it in my collection

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Hi Lundy,

Following is the relevent page for the flaws you are showing:

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So the ACSC cat numbers would be 4 of the VD35d thru to VD35dh. Unpriced in used.

Cheers. :D

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I recently came across this SG D41 perf 11 in a small collection, with double perfs
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I was wondering if it is rare and if it is catalogued in ACSC, which I don't have for the Dues as I don't collect them!

Any info appreciated.

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Hi All,
sermb1 must be a rare beast not listed in 2014 Postage Due Catalogue

The perf 11 is a rare perf on these issues, listings are 11.5-12 and 11.5-12 x 11

a normal perf 11 is listed at $100


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quicksingle wrote:Hi All,
sermb1 must be a rare beast not listed in 2014 Postage Due Catalogue

The perf 11 is a rare perf on these issues, listings are 11.5-12 and 11.5-12 x 11

a normal perf 11 is listed at $100


Hope this helps
Many thanks Neill. Interested if anyone has a similar variety. I can't imagine this is the only one, though nice if it was :)

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Mailed this gem to a client today (Stock 589EJ). Added it here for the record. :mrgreen:
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Australia 1909 5/- Postage Dues stamp Used BLOCK 4 with "T" cancels!
In 40 years of dealing I have NEVER owned a postally used block 4. With this cancel, doubtless UNIQUE. My price of is about what the current PO Annual Executive yearbook costs. Insane. Value of that in 10 years time …………

Large Frame break lower left frame - ACSC D90(FP1)f, and Seriffed on A underneath it - ACSC D90(FP1)L - Someone astute will grab this at just $A150 at well under HALF cat of single stamps. ACSC D80, cat $340, as 4 used singles!

This high value is an incredibly under-rated right NOW. ACSC tells us only 39,430 were sent to POs nationally. But useage of high value was low and in 1927, values over 2/- were withdrawn nationally and destroyed, so nothing like 39430 were sold.

Clean and fresh and flat, no hinges or gook or usual gunk, after 110 years. Bright vivid original colours. Each with neat “T” Hexagon cancel (for Postage Due Tax) serifed T cancel. A GEM eye appeal block. WHY any PO would use a Block of these to collect £1 Postage Due, when there was a 10/- and £1 on hand from same series is a mystery.


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Can someone give me any advice about these? Thanks
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They are Victoria postage dues, listed in all catalogs. Posted here sideways for some reason.

WHAT "advice" are you seeking?
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Sorry - new to the stampboard processes and was just feeling my way as an amateur. I will consult some catalogues and ask more intelligent questions next time. Thanks for responding. Regards

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can you please help ... I have a 2 shilling Australian postage due which I thought was 1902/04 with the crown and NSW watermark. On closer inspection it has a large S T at the base.Please see enc. scans.
Any suggestions what this is ?
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Unfortunately, postage dues like these were never quite my thing in contrast to regular postage stamp issues.

Without much ado, I never bought that Brudsen White catalogue volume.

However, now I have a question with no catalogue to boot, other than that Stanley Gibbons' (SG) British Commonwealth. Typical! :lol: Still, it's a once-in-a-blue-moon query so perhaps a member here can help me out.

From what I see in SG, there are a variety of postage due designs, much like the other early pre-decimals from this period. I note the minor design differences such as the shape of the 'D' in ...well, 'D' for pence that is, and other such variations. But are there significant colour variations for different issues too, like in the KGV heads or Kangaroos?

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Here are two postcards sent from England sometime during August 1941. I'm curious about the shift of the inner red denomination upwards into the greener area – is this common or some listed variety?

Again, apologies if this seems like the question of a typical newbie for this area. But after some research, I still have questions and am curious about these postcards, even if this is a niche I intend to steer away from in the near future! :mrgreen:
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Misplaced value tablets are very common on these.
Always on the lookout for Australian pre decimal First Day Covers.

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I just picked these up in a mixed lot. I don't have a recent ACSC Dues catalogue, if someone could confirm the ID's and give me a current CV, that would be greatly appreciated.


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Here's the 1/2 d in a C of A imprint block.

Wondering if you might be able to enlighten me – what would be a fair price to put on this for a fellow Stampboarder?

Or, shall I just add it to an existing lot already added on to our classifieds section of these forums? I have most of the ACSC catalogues... but I don't have one for postage dues because these are a long way from my collecting niche! So, no idea if it's worth $10 or $1000. :lol: Forgive my ignorance!

Either way, the additional postage dues would be included, naturally.
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I have just come across this Postage Due, identified as NSW, SG D8. My attention was drawn to the missing name at the bottom of the stamp, which I understood from earlier posts in this thread, was issued for a short period before NSW was included within the design.

- I note a faint circular cancel
- perfs are 11.8 x 11.5, which isn't listed in my SG Part 1.
- I can't see the watermark, so additional scans provided of reverse (in case it's my eyesight!), but I didn't
understand the dark areas, whether or not another cancel (?) had been removed.

I don't have access to a specialised Australian Postage Due catalogue so would welcome comments, including, if the item is considered genuine, any catalogue / cat no and value.

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Australia - 1902, SG D7, cat 80 quid used. :D
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Thank you.
I've just realised that I looked at the NSW Postage Due listings, and didn't think to look under Australia. Apologies.

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In case anybody is interested, I've produced a set of 8 album pages covering most Australia Postage Dues from 1902. The content is designed for printing on Seven Seas Stamps pages but I do have A4 version. There are no pages in the Seven Seas Australia Pre-Decimal album for Postage Dues, nor are pages produced by the publisher.

As noted earlier, Postage Dues were issued by NSW and Victoria prior to 1902. These are not included at this stage and probably can't be as Seven Seas Stamps produces album pages for those as part of the Australia Colonies Hinge-less album. The Australia Postage Dues were the first stamps issued for Commonwealth of Australia.

Anyway, for the pages to be commercially printed there needs to be some interest shown. I'm awaiting feedback after posting photos of page content in another thread about using download software to produce album pages...

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07 Jul 2021 22:41

Australia Postage Dues album pages layout finished and might just need to find a printer for these too. Are there a lot of collectors of Australian stamps that don't collect Postage Dues?

Perhaps there's another reason for omitting these pages in their albums nowadays, but it doesn't seem consistent to me.

Please let me know if you're interested in getting a set of them.

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Australia - Postage Due 1 Penny Emerald-Green - perforation query

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This postage due has 12 perforations on the top and bottom, 11½ on the left and 11 on the right.

Firstly is the correct abbreviation of what is above stated as: P 12, 11½ compound with 11.

The watermark is a crown over NSW

I can't find this listed in my Stanley Gibbons Commonwealth and British Empire catalogue. The catalogue seems to refer to perforations the other way round than what I have stated. I hope I haven't taken an inaccurate reading.

Would appreciate help.
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Re: Australia - Postage Due 1 Penny Emerald-Green - perforation query

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Your left & right perfs are identical, so it's either 12 x 11 or 12 x 11½.


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Re: The Postage Due Stamps of Australia from 1890

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Dani - you ARE using an SG 'Instanta' I assume, and not one of those useless printed cardboard kiddie toy perf gauges?

Impossible to misread any clean cut perfs then.


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Re: The Postage Due Stamps of Australia from 1890

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Yes I am using an SG 'Instanta'. I misread the right hand side which is, as has been pointed out, the same as the left.

Both sides are 11½.

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Re: The Postage Due Stamps of Australia from 1890

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I'm after NSW Postage Due 5/- FU. Has anybody here got one for sale? Or recommend a dealer who sells NSW Dues. I have a simplified AUS Colonies album so don't need one of the rarer varieties.

Please respond via e-mail john.russell@outlook.co.nz, NOT in this thread.

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