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Re: Sperati £2 Kangaroo die proof image wanted.

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A preview of the Tasmania is https://www.rfrajola.com/Tasmania/Tasmania.htm.

Looking for additional examples!
Also, a 1200 dpi image of genuine.

Thanks,

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Re: Sperati £2 Kangaroo die proof image wanted.

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Sperati abandoned the Tasmania £1 QV Forgery after making only a few examples, as he stated he could not get the deep green colour correct - which when you see a genuine, is easy to agree with!

His colour match was very poor on these. :mrgreen:


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Sperati Western Australia QV £1 stamp forgery, Images wanted

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I am skimpy on this WA Sperati QV £1 stamp forgery, but have an "OS" perforated official. A start attempt at my new page is here:https://www.rfrajola.com/WestAustralia/WestAustralia.htm.

I would really appreciate 600 or 1200 dpi images of a genuine stamp as well as any Sperati items.

I also could still use £2 Roo items to add to my page here: https://www.rfrajola.com/Australia/Australia.htm. I do not wish to steal images of this website , please email me images and I will credit give credit.

Also, ditto for Tasmania here: https://www.rfrajola.com/Tasmania/Tasmania.htm

Thanks in advance for any help!

my email: covers@rfrajola.com

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Re: Sperati Western Australia £1 stamp forgery, Images wante

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Richard EVERY new thread here MUST have an image of some kind. Zero exceptions. Have added one to your post - please add them yourself for any future threads.

Glen

A fast way to detect a Sperati of the WA, is that he was such a perfectionist he touched out colour flaws that were on the Government printing plate!

The heavy solid orange colour colour flaws between W and A he removed, and the tiny flecks in letter U, and the bad flaws between E and P as can be seen on these genuine below.


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Re: Sperati Western Australia QV £1 stamp forgery, Images wa

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Charles Leski has auctioned a few that all have cert's
And the stamp has a "tell" (apart from looking cleaned up), the second A of Australia has a deformed top of the "A"


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Sperati Forgery of the £1 Western Australia Stamp
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Greg - I struggle with some of the terms used to describe Sperati and British Philatelic Association produced products and I would like to get the nomenclature set in stone before I get too deep into things.

For example - you call the black and white photo print a "plate proof" - I have one of those on my site described as, "print in black on photopaper with rimless oval 'Sperati Reproduction' backstamp" - in actuality this is a BPA reprint done from film (by the BPA not by Sperati), no plate was involved and certainly not a proof in any sense of the word as I usually use it.

I have one of maybe three copies of Sperati's "La Technique de la Philatelie d'Art" and it becomes clear that much of the nomenclature commonly used is wrong (or deceptive in case of some listings I have seen on eBay for these book prints.)

I would be happy to communicate by email with anyone who has ideas regarding nomenclature. I see no point in continuing publicly.
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The WA Sperati photo proof was sold by me as follows. (A very large UK Auction house purchased it off me for re-sale.)

https://www.glenstephens.com/sperati.html

Western Australia 1902 £1 QV Top Value – the rare SPERATI forgery proof: A few of these (6 of each max, Robson Lowe stated existed - https://tinyurl.com/RLowe ) On thick card from the BPA, and marked, as it seems all were, with the oval “SPERATI REPRODUCTION” handstamp in violet. (The BPA 60 years back paid a FORTUNE to buy all the Sperati stamps and proofs, to mark them, and keep them off the main market.)


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Re: Magazine article on stamp forger Jean De Sperati

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satsuma wrote:According to this document which includes the photo of Sperati in his library; on the top of the 4th page (that is numbered Page 24) parts of it have been published and translated by the BPA.

https://wyzaerd-pf-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/JanMar90-Sperati.pdf
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Richard Frajola wrote: I have one of maybe three copies of Sperati's "La Technique de la Philatelie d'Art" and it becomes clear that much of the nomenclature commonly used is wrong (or deceptive in case of some listings I have seen on eBay for these book prints.)

The book was never published as far as I know, but a guy in France keeps trying to sell me the 119 page manuscript! As recently as May 2019.


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An excerpt is above.

Dear Mr. Stephens,

I write you from France.

My father was a great friend of the late Mr. De Sperati, I still have many letters of him. I remember when I was a boy we sometimes visited him in Aix-les-Bains.
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As I know your great interest in philatelic literature I bring to your attention on the following rare and interesting document.

It is an original blueprint of the of the never published proof of «LA TECHNIQUE COMPLETE de la PHILATELIE d’ ART», a 119 pages machine-typed document by Jean De Sperati, dated November 1953.

This document would follow "La philatelie sans experts". It contains the complete description of the procedures and the formulas together with the explanations of the results obtained by de Sperati in more than 30 years of "Philatelie d' Art".

Here enclosed you will find a few pages of the document, and if you are interested, don't hesitate to contact me.

Best regards.

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Glenn,

Thanks - I concur with Robbie Lowe's description as "pulls from Sperati negative". I really do not care about how other people describe them at all. I do care about a terminology that is accurate. The ones I have seen are on thick, glossy photo paper.

As to the pirated manuscript being sold, I heard a rumor that somebody was doing that. There is also a crappy English translation around as well I hear. Carl did a summary of the technique in his Sperati II book. I was told that the BPA, Robson Lowe and Carl Walske had the (only) original copies. I think Carl got his from Sperati's daughter. I will probably put it up on my website as a free download as the process is so tedious that I can't imagine anybody being able to replicate it today. Might omit the chemicals used for washing the stamps though ...

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Hi Richard,

The following example is a Sperati forgery showing the 2nd die of the WA £1 he produced:

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The telltale signs of this second die is the retouched second inner frameline under ''O'" of one, and if visible, a white dot under the Queen's nose. (The second die doesn't show the deformed second A of Australia, or the other white line telltales of the 1st die.)

This one was for sale recently in Abacus Auction #237, lot 682 and wasn't sold. (Probably due to the horizontal crease across the stamp!)

Cheers.
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Browny - Thanks for that! I do not see two types here but will try to re-examine from actual examples.

Of course these were not produced from "dies" but rather from glass or celluloid cliches. Sperati's retouching seems to have occurred frequently and it is hard to draw a line as to what constitutes a new type. I am conservative in this respect and biased against slicing the bread too thin.

I have my new dedicated site up and running now. It is here: https://www.sperati.org/SPAindex.htm

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All concerned

It has been suggested that I contribute to this thread. However it is a subject that I am completely "at sea" about.

I know practically nothing about the well known Cape of Good Hope and Western Australia Sperati forgeries except that they have always been expensive. As such I have always avoided them preferring to spend funds on earlier classics in both cases.

The only Sperati that I encounter reasonably frequently and can instantaneously identify is the U.S. 1847 10c.

Sorry to be of no help.

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Seeking information about Mauritius Post Paid forgery by Sperati

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Hello everyone, my first question here.

I sent this Mauritius worn "Post Paid" with a 2020 RPS "genuine" certificate for inclusion in David Feldman's last auction. The day before the sale, they e-mailed to say that a collector identified it as a Sperati forgery. By an amazing coincidence, the unique proof sheet signed by Sperati was also being auctioned two weeks later in Germany, and someone spotted the likeness.

A more experienced fellow collector and RPS member later told me about this other singleton copy with a distinctive curved right margin, illustrated in Mr Kanai's book ; thus making three known at present. He pointed out that they all have the same flaws - an incorrect diagonal line of colour across the P of POST, and erosion of the vertical inside frame-line in front of the queen's face.

I would like to find out if any other copies exist, but could not find any more via a Google search. Does anyone own one, or know about other copies recorded elsewhere?

Mr Frajola who runs a specialist Sperati website, and was the vendor of the proof sheet, has now added details of these two singletons but doesn't know of any others. He also told me that the illustration in the 1955 BPA Sperati book is a cropped photo of his proof. Thus only 3 so far ...

Thanks for any help.

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Re: Seeking information about Mauritius Post Paid forgery by Sperati

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Hi Rob

It is good that you have been in direct contact with Richard Frajola. If he has only recorded 3 then there may not be many more to find.

I would be scouring the archived auction websites of the major European houses. They are far more likely to have handled one of these Sperati forgeries in the past.

Also, obtain all of the major name sales of Mauritius you can, e.g. Kanai, and any handbooks. If one of the forgeries appears in a major name sale you can expect a decent write up about it.

Kanai 1993 auction catalogue, link: https://www.davidfeldman.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/28_5_93_NOV.pdf

Being a Sperati, the numbers made are probably quite limited. Good luck. :)

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Hello everyone, my first question here.

I sent this Mauritius worn "Post Paid" with a 2020 RPS "genuine" certificate for inclusion in David Feldman's last auction.

Can you post a scan of the RPS Certificate please?

Be interesting to see it.

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Re: Seeking information about Mauritius Post Paid forgery by Sperati

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Here are the original and replacement certificates. ..

When I first raised this issue, the committee's response was "we have never seen a Sperati forgery of this stamp before and thus we did not think to check our Sperati book" - which seems a rather weak excuse.

It doesn't explain how they overlooked the wrong type of paper (according to Mr Kanai) or the fact that it was made by surface-printing not line-engraving (reported by Feldman's after they were alerted to examine it).

I sent the RPS scans of the proof sheet and Kanai example when re-submitting, so they had the three copies to compare.

But I don't want this thread to turn into criticisms of the RPS. To be fair to them, they refunded the price difference between a clean certificate and a forgery/rejection.

I just wondered how many other copies may be out there. It might even turn out to be more valuable than an original !
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Re: Seeking information about Mauritius Post Paid forgery by Sperati

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So presumably the replacement certificate is stating that it is a genuine Sperati forgery as there is only one signature on the certificate?

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So on the same day, RPS gave it a cert as genuine, and also one as a fake?

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I just wondered how many other copies may be out there. It might even turn out to be more valuable than an original !

Not likely - SG #18 is 7,500 quid mint. :mrgreen:

Might have been an idea to keep silent. :D
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The new RPS certificate arrived only yesterday, but they have backdated it to match the original.

I interpret the certificate wording, and earlier comments by Mr Frajola, as meaning it is "a forgery BY Sperati" rather than "a forgery OF a Sperati". The RPS did not mark the back, but I know from previous rejections that this is their normal practice : unlike some European expertisers who indelibly mark stamps which they identify as counterfeit.

Regarding value, "Not likely - SG #18 is 7,500 quid min" is of course the difference between catalogue value and actual retail value, which is what I meant. Feldmans had already received a bid of £1500 by the time they withdrew my lot ; but the proof sheet sold at the Kohler auction last week for 5200 euros - albeit there were several other items in the lot.

https://www.heinrich-koehler.de/en/375th-auction?f%5B0%5D=fi ... ory%3A1328

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Re: Seeking information about Mauritius Post Paid forgery by Sperati

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My guess is that your Sperati forgery is worth more than the original, I have an 1879 13c Sperati forgery bought from Robert Marion's auction of Mauritius a few years ago, it did not have a certificate, so I sent it in to the RPSL to get their opinion, I know that Sperati did two very slightly different versions of the 13c, so I asked also which one they thought it was.

The certificate came back saying, yes a Sperati, with a memo saying "only one type of Sperati forgery recorded", but when I queried this they came back and said there were two types, and which mine was.

I will ask Robert Marion if his has ever seen the Sperati "Post Paid" forgery, or know of the existance of any, and update when I hear back from him.

Finally Rob, do you mind me mentioning and illustrating all this in the March Indian Ocean Study Circle Bulletin, I am its editor.

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Hello Eric,

Thanks for your input - that's a very useful contact you have! I would be very interested to hear about any info which Mr Marion may have. And yes, I'm happy for you to mention this in your newsletter.

If you could send me a private message containing your e-mail address, I can send you a couple of better high-res photos to use, including the back and one which highlights the "tells" , if that would help.

The Kohler auction page, which I previously linked to, shows the proof sheets of the 13 cents forgery which you own and a singleton stamp of type B. The original album notes by Dr Walske state that it is one of only two recorded copies.

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Can't seem to be able to send you a personal message, but you can contact me using:-
editor [at] indianoceanstudycircle [dot] com

I have looked through a couple of David Feldman auction catalogues I have while some have Sperati forgeries of the later issues, none have the "post paid" including the famous Kanai sale of 1993, you have to realise that a good forgery often passes as genuine. Kanai in his "Classic Mauritius" pub 1981, page 14 has this to say...

"There are many primitive forgeries of Mauritius stamps which can be distinguised at a glance, but, of course, there are some which are so clever that they cannot be assessed as genuine or not at first sight, Even in a famous reference book published in London, a photograph of a forged stamp of Mauritius has been illustrated as a genuine one."

So i would suspect any position 10 "Post Paid" unused, as this is what Sperati used for his forgery.

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My guess is that your Sperati forgery is worth more than the original


This may not be far from the mark. Rob, the silver lining is that the Sperati Mauritius Post Post is incredibly rare - only 3 recorded - so you have made a great discovery and one of considerable value. An exhibitor would snap it up. :)

The two RPSL certs on the same day were a bit odd. Should not the second cert shave said something like: This certificate replaces RPSL certificate number X which is no longer valid.

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Thanks Eric - I will be in touch soon.

Although it isn't clear from my rather poor photos, the two RPS certificates have the same number, as well as the same date ; and they kept the first one when they sent the stamp back to me. So it appears that the Chairman wanted to wipe the slate clean and treat their error as never being made.

It doesn't bother me how they did this. They refunded me the full difference in price between a pass and fail certificate, even though the replacement is still a "clean" single-signature one. Thus, as someone pointed out earlier, they are saying it is a "genuine forgery"! I assume this means that if I had recognised or suspected the true nature of the stamp at the outset, and had submitted it for certification as a Sperati, I would have been charged the full price.

So as far as I am concerned, they have behaved fairly, and it would have been churlish of me to challenge them to explain how they could have made such basic errors with all the scientific tools at their disposal. Sperati fooled the experts for several decades, and it is testament to his skills that his items are still doing so in the 21st century!
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An interesting thread.

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EricHutton wrote:
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Finally Rob, do you mind me mentioning and illustrating all this in the March Indian Ocean Study Circle Bulletin, I am its editor.


A good idea.

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Anyone have more detail on the Sperati Philatelie d'Art logo?

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I bought a Bremen 1861 block of 4 Sperati die proof which has a signature on the front and has his logo on stamped on the back (no Sperati reproduction or any other stamps which is nice - although I have only been collecting for a year I have only managed to get one Sperati forgery which has nothing on it and have not seen many.)

Questions

1. Does anyone know the history or details of how his Philatelie d'Art logo came about? When it was used and why he started using as they don’t appear on all his die proofs and is too big to be added to just the stamps - so was it designed for his die proofs but later on?

2. As above I’m interested in the rarity of these or not? I can only seem to find a couple of examples online but they haven’t sold any recently albeit I assume they aren’t something that is sought after by collectors? (That said I do think it is a nice piece for my collection and am going to put it on show in a frame).

Thanks for any help which is appreciated

Here is the logo for reference

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Re: Sperati Philatelie d'Art logo

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Can you change the heading to if it needs to be a question every time:

Who has info about Sperati Philatelie d'Art logo?

I’ve added a photo.

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Re: Sperati Philatelie d'Art logo

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This site has a lot of info about Sperati, but not anything I could see about the logo you are questioning. However you could try contacting the site owner for more info.

https://www.sperati.org/

Another logo, and a monogram, which may pre date yours are shown:
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Thanks. Those logos are great - I have never seen them used anywhere or any images of them stamped on any die proofs etc.?

I’ll contact that site for more information and see what I can find out. Thanks

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I found this which shows they were used together and the one above looks like one used for correspondences only and not specifically stamp related. Aix-les-Bains being an address in France.


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Yes not sure of the relevance of 1859 issue and whether that was Sperati’s favorite stamp, the first he reproduced or just something iconic that just fitted well...

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Here above is the finished die proof that sold locally for $A9,750 at Prestige sale 128.


On wove paper (46x69mm) signed "Jean de Sperati" on the face, signed "Jean de Sperati" on the face, with yellow 'LES JEAN DE SPERATI/ PHILATELIE d'ART' "Uruguayan Sun" printed in bright yellow on the reverse above, which is a 'REPRODUCTION INTERDITE' handstamp in violet, oval 'SPERATI/["129"]/REPRODUCTION' h/s also applied to the reverse by the British Philatelic Association after they had purchased Sperati's entire inventory. Ex James Williamson & Sir Gawaine Baillie.


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Thanks for that here are some more images with an email from Richard from Sperati.org below:

The yellow logo seems to have been used from about 1951 by Sperati on his stationery, approval cards, price lists and presentation albums. It is not usually seen on stamps and I have only seen on the Bremen block of four different types.

The intertwined letters logo is probably 1920s or maybe earlier and I have seen only in two pieces of his stationery. That one was replaced by his Aix Les Bains logo for stationery in the 40s I suppose. I have some approval cards around here someplace.

I have also seen one or two examples of a mini logo, about .75mm diameter, sunburst on the back of stamps.

A small presentation album given to his daughter in 1952 has the handstamp on front and on several pages here

https://www.sperati.org/SperatiNotebook.pdf

greece page here which has the 2d olympic stamp hinged over the cachet on a corner cut from ine of the presentation albums

https://www.sperati.org/RFpages/Greece.jpg

See last page of pdf file here where logo used on price sheet (probably ca. 1951).

https://www.sperati.org/CWIntroPages.pdf
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Ah ha here this helps explain and the fact it was one of his favourite stamps:

https://www.sperati.org/Uruguay/Uruguay_1.jpg

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Re: Sperati £2 Kangaroo die proof image wanted.

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I don't post often, but I picked up a Specimen copy of the £2 stamp from L50. This is the same location that Sperati used to make his forgeries.

This is an original (not a forgery), due to the Mint Gum condition, but I thought it would be a nice addition to this thread.

You can easily see the scratch that is indicative of this location.



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Agree, the exact sheet position Sperati "stole" his image from.
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Re: Sperati £2 Kangaroo die proof image wanted.

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Cheers

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Re: Forged kangaroo centres

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sdelcampe wrote:
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Hi David,
David Benson wrote:seb,

there is a huge difference between selling forgeries and selling items that the seller has produced himself and you look like you are abetti. Ing him in his crime against philately & philatelists.

I see nothing wrong with selling forgeries that were made some time ago but by allowing sellers to sell their own work is wrong and you should police this type of material. It does no good for your reputation,

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Hi totally agree. Modern forgeries (printer made etc) are not allowed on our site. I think it is important.

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Re: Forged kangaroo centres

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Global Administrator wrote:
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sdelcampe wrote:
28 Jun 2009 09:46
Hi David,
David Benson wrote:seb,
there is a huge difference between selling forgeries and selling items that the seller has produced himself and you look like you are abetti. Ing him in his crime against philately & philatelists.

I see nothing wrong with selling forgeries that were made some time ago but by allowing sellers to sell their own work is wrong and you should police this type of material. It does no good for your reputation,

David B.
Hi totally agree. Modern forgeries (printer made etc) are not allowed on our site. I think it is important.
Sebastien

A great policy from member Sebastien Delcampe, the owner of Delcampe - a shame ebay never copied it!

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I endorse this 110%. Kudos Delcampe. Shame ebay!!

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