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I hope the above are useful in this thread and I will refrain from posting more for the moment .. but ... in addition to use on cover / card and examples with no crown, plate wear etc .. I also have the following ..

1 .. Die 2 imperf on Austrian paper
2 .. A11 controls showing the Somerset House and Harrison printings

If these are required to show .. just shout and I will get them done.
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A great thread. I'll shout,Tallanent. :idea:

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Die 2 - Austrian Paper
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I have very little information on these paper trials - so I will post what I know and hope that someone else can add to the information.

Die 2 - imperf as can easily be seen
No watermark

My information is as follows ..

Two paper types were used - these being wove paper, (various types) and Austrian Enamelled paper. Printings were made in two shades, Carmine and Scarlet.
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Bie 1B - Control A11

As has already been mentioned earlier, the printings on examples that show the controll can be seperated easily. The Harrison printings, (by far the more common), show no dot between the controlletter and numbers, whereas the printings made at Somerset house show a dot betwwen these parts.

Harrisons
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On plates 9a and 15, additional marginal rules were placed below the control and they are recorded as one, two or three rules - but I have only ever seen the single rule as illustrated above. It is generally agreed that these were added to prevent the use of un-printed watermarked paper.
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Broken rules

As will be seen from the pictures in this thread, the marginal rule around the outside, (just to the side of the stamp) comprised of 'strips' that were the width or height of the stamp depending on if they are at the left / right or the top / bottom.

I do have a record of Die 1 control A11 used in 1912 that shows a break on the rule on the right side. I am unsure how far the originator of this thread wishes to take this so I will wait and see how it develops first.

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Hi tallanent, thanks for joining in with your excellent scans and comments! Raz is right, I would be extremely happy for you to continue to add to this thread! The more information, images and discussion the better! :D

You have some really interesting Downey Head items in your collection, particularly that Minerva Head Dummy Stamps printed by De La Rue! I notice that you mentioned having problems with scanning that block, along with a distinct mark/blotch under Georges ear and wonder how this was printed? Is the Downey head a copy of the photo as it looks from the scan, or is it the engraved copy of the photo with finer engraving marks? None the less, a SUPER piece! Thanks for posting it!

Your Die 2 Austrian Paper trial is also interesting, including that upper guide marking, nice one! I do not have any of these yet, but I do notice that yours has what looks like a transitory flaw similar to one that I have on a a Die 1b, shown below. I have come to the conclusion that my copy was caused by a piece of debris sandwiched between the plates as pressure was applied, leaving the crescent void.

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Hi tallanent, :)

I have a couple questions for you regarding the printed dot as an identifier for Somerset House printings that maybe you can help me understand? This block was shown earlier in the thread and was identified as a Somerset House, obviously there is no dot printed between the letter and number, and I would like to know how to determine this. Is it purely by the quality of printing, the paper, the shade, the font of the Control letters? The stamp that follows the block is one from my collection that also has an imperf margin, extension holes and I initially thought it was a Somerset House to be courteously corrected by another member. I would really like to start trying to understand this point, and look forward to any additional information you may have on this topic.

Here is the block in Question:

Somerset House came in Die 1a and Die 1b

1911 WATERMARK CROWN DIE 1b .... 1d ROSE-PINK

Somerset House Printing

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My stamp:

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transitory flaw on the paper trial

Sadly this is not the case on my copy ... there is a crease from the left, (just above the stamp image) which runs at a slight angle downwards to the right giving the appearence as seen.

Still I think its a nice item especially given that its a top marginal copy.

Somerset House and the Dot between control letter and number

I saw the block shown earlier, and it is in my opinion a Harrison printing. As far as I know ALL the Somerset house printings had a dot and I am not aware of any examples without the dot that have been certified as genuine from this location.

Taking another look at the block, I see it also has the cut to the right side marginal rule that I mentioned a few posts earlier. With this break on the right, I have only recorded examples from the Harrison printing which mine is also, (being dated 1912).

In addition, which I hope will be seen from all the scans provided, the Somerset House printings appear much cleaner, deeper, better defined and are appear as a brighter colour due to the flourence - (hope that makes sence..) and this means that when they are looked at in detail they (both productions) show the blotchy parts that led the the production of die 2, but when looked at taking a step back - the Harrisons appear dull and flat with the ink clumpped together, whereas the Somerset House ones appear brighter with more body akin to engraved stamps of the earlier periods and the clumping together of the ink is not as evident.

I hope that makes sence ...

In short I would assign the earlier block shown to Harrisons ..

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tallanent wrote: Somerset House and the Dot between control letter and number
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I hope that makes sense ...

That completely makes sense, thanks for taking the time to offer your thoughts on this, I appreciate it. I kind of got hung up on that one! :roll: I have a copy of "The Harrison and Somerset House Printings (1911-12) - and how to distinguish them. By Stanley Phillips" that I have read a couple times and am still trying to fully digest. There is a lot of information to absorb!

Thanks again for contributing to this thread, I look forward to your next posts!

Have a Good One, :D

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Somerset House Printings

Given that there appears to be some confusion over the assignment of Somerset House printings compared to those of Harrisons, I thought that some additional notes may assist here ...

Three types of control are generally listed ..

1 .. A 11 which is assigned for those printed at Somerset House

2 .. A 11(c) - Harrisons with 1 1/2mm gap between the two figure 1's

3 .. A 11(w) - Harrisons with 2mm gap

For the record - all the examples I have seen of Somerset House (control with dot) have the 2mm gap.

The records show that the Somerset House printings were made from plates 3, 9 and 15 - and we know that these plates were later re-worked in some way as plates 3b, 3c, 9b and 15b are known. Hence the original plates are known to collectors as plates 3a, 9a and 15a.

As already mentioned plates 9a and 15a (SH) had the additional rule at the bottom and the two items shown together show that these plates can be ruled out.
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The following shows that the spacing between the figures is the same -- 2mm
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With these two plates excluded, we are only left with the original state of plate 3, (what collectors call plate 3a) and I would contend that the cut on the right side rule was added to a repaired plate - and regardless of which plate this was - it was not printed from in this state at Somerset House.

As a side note - that by reading through some of these post - seems to have been overlooked - I will restate that Somerset House printings have the dot. If you look at the Gibbons specialised catalogue for the controls for this issue (die 1b) it is actually shown ... albeit that they use a very small font and you do have to look closely ...

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Excellent job straightening that out tallanent, great stuff! :D 8)

This is fantastic timing for this discussion as I am in the process of learning to work with my controls, identify Plate Markings, and use the catalogue indexes properly. :D I'm still quite new to this and am learning more each day, thanks to fellow Stampboarders like yourself and other folks in different groups/societies. :) Do you only use the SG specialized for your platework or is there additional information available that you could recommend?

Talk to you in a minute or two, :lol:

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Here are a couple of Downey's I'd like to bring to the table, and hope to hear back some others observations on them. :D

The first is a Die 1A with something unusual happening on the back. I am not sure whether it is a piece of the margin folded over, or if it an example of part of a coil join? If it is part of the margin folded over, I would have expected the printed rule to be on the other side of the piece, which makes me think there is another explanation? Poor Storage maybe?

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The second stamps is a Die 2 on piece that has the 'Missing Crown' variety. What is unusual about this stamp is the way it has been separated from the others on the sheet. I don't have any others that have been handled this way so I am wondering if there is a particular reason for this, or if it was an old stamp collector making sure the 'Missing Crown' couldn't be dismissed by a pulled perf? :lol: :lol: More than likely it was just someone being efficient using scissors when mailing a bunch of letters, but I would like to hear what y'all think!

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Any thoughts or observations are most welcome, I appreciate any and all feedback, Thanks!

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Skilo54

The reference books that I use are SG specialised volume 2 and an old copy of Robson Lowes' encyclopedia. Apart from that web search will sometimes help and failing this .. emails to some knowledgable collectors and dealers.

Your Die 1A - with piece on the rear ...

Looking at this I am sure that it is folded over selvedge and not a coil join. The alignment of the perfs is wrong at the left (when viewed from the rear) and if I am wrong this should have sideways watermark - of which I believe there is only one used example known. Worth checking ... you never know ..
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skilo54 wrote:

The second stamps is a Die 2 on piece that has the 'Missing Crown' variety. What is unusual about this stamp is the way it has been separated from the others on the sheet.

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Any thoughts or observations are most welcome, I appreciate any and all feedback, Thanks!

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This is for me a very nice item ...

Die 2 (as you say) used from London E C and cancelled on a Columbia machine - thats the type of postmark used.

The stamp is a coil stamp and the machines at this period used a blade to seperate the stamps as they were vended. In most cases there is slight variation, (slightly short or long perfs), due to the alignement of the roll of stamps in the machine.

If this alignment was to a greater degree, (as in this case), which may be due to poor set up when the roll was inserted or a problem, (such as slipage), whilst in use - then the blade to seperate the vended stamps would cut not through the perforations but through part of the design as in this case.

I have some of this type of thing from the later King George 5, Edward 8 and George 6 issues but a quick look seems to show that I don't have any from the Downey issue.

A very nice piece with the flaw as a bonus .....

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Die 1A

Just found this item illustrated below ...

Die 1A used on cover cancelled by a Columbia machine from SW London on the 9 December 1911.
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The Coil stamp ...

I have just taken another look at this stamp that I said was a coil, (a couple of posts earlier), and thought that it may be nice for members to see it as a pair to show that the impressions match top and bottom.

The 'creation' below with two copies of the picture matched should show the match confirming the same cut (made by the same blade in the machine) at the top and bottom of the stamp ...
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Nice Cover Tallanent! 8)

One thing I notice is how close the dates of the cancels are in relation to the stamps used as franking, yours a Die 1A and mine a Die 2. I've been reading about the public criticism in the 1911 Stanley Gibbons Monthly on the release of this issue, and I think seeing this shows just how fast the Die was changed/'improved" in order to improve public opinion of this release.

I'd also like to compliment you on the fantastic Image manipulation Tallanent! It is really nice seeing that those cuts align and your theory of this being dispensed by a machine hold true! I have a new laptop that should be arriving in a few days, and I look forward to improving my ability to digitally work with my collection. Do you use photoshop as your preferred tool, or other image software? I use AutoCad for building my pages, but I have been thinking of trying Photoshop out. The old clunker I sit at currently typing would most definitely have a melt-down if I even came close to it with a Photoshop disk! :oops:

I look forward to chatting again soon, Have a Great Day! :D

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The image programme that I use is PhotoFiltre which is very basic compared to some around - but it does what I need to do with images and is FREE - the sort of price tag I like. A google search for the name should bring up a link to their page for downloading.

Dates

With regard to your comment regarding the dates of use for the two items shown, it may be worth making a list of the known dates of issue, modification, deepening etc. This would at least give us a framework for the periods.

Let me know if this would be a good idea and I will see what I can find.

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Hi Tallanent, thanks for the tip about Photofiltre! I also enjoy NOT paying for software! :)

I am all for working on a list like that, sounds great! I have my collection arranged by type, then inside that I break each type down into the following catagories:

-Mint Controls/Corners/Blocks
-Mint Singles
-Used Controls/Corners/Blocks
-Used with clear date stamp (chronologically)
-Used with no date visible or determinable (arranged into shades)
-Errors/Varieties
-On Cover/Postcard/Piece

Here is some basic information I gathered together from my collection regarding the earliest and latest used copies I have of each type.

N7-SG 327/8 - June 22 1911
Earliest- July 28 1911
Latest- Oct. 7 1911

N8-SG 329/31 - 1911
Earliest- July 2 1911
Latest- June 5 1912

N9-SG 332/3 - June 1912
Earliest- April 2 1912 *I'll double check this info
Latest- July 29 1912

N10-SG 336/7 - September 28 1912
Earliest- Nov. 15 1912
Latest- Jan. 2 1914

N11-SG 341/3 - January 1 1912
Earliest- Jan. 12 1912
Latest- March 3 1913

N12-SG 345 - August 1912
Earliest- March 3 1913
Latest- June 16 1913

N13-SG 349/50 - October 1912
Earliest- Jan. 25 1913
Latest- March 17 1913

One question I have is why aren't the full release dates published at the beginning of each type, just the month and in the case of N8 it refers only to the year? Were these records destroyed in the war? Or am I just not reading something properly?

I'm not sure if this is the kind of information you were looking at discussing, but I do look forward to researching this further! I've taken your advice and will hopefully have a copy of the Robson Lowes' encyclopedia in my hands relatively soon, and I look forward to having this on hand for future discussions!

Have a Good One, :D
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Skilo54

Yes .. that is the sort of list I like.

As more details are added to the thread we may be able to epand on the details such as the plate 2 variety that has been shown earlier with two different controls.
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Error in the SG specialised catalogue

In the introduction to this issue in SG we find ..
The head, which had been copied from a photograph, was not suitable for the typographic printing process, with the impressions being blotchy in the printed stamps, (die 1A). In August 1911 the die was deepened and fresh plates were made, (die 1B), but the resulting printed stamps were still not satisfactory.
Given Silkos' list above with the date of 2 July 1911 this information would seem to be incorrect, and I would suspect that the August date should in fact refer to the point where the new die 2 was being made.

Does anyone have access to any of the records for this issue which may confirm or disprove this ..
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Hi Tallanent, great observation! I don't have anything to add to that at this point in time, but what I can do is ask for some information on the GBPS board. I'll post a question in the next few days and I'll let you know when/if something surfaces.

While I'm here......... :D

I would also like to share a couple recent additions to my collection.

Here is what I believe is a N11-5 - Aniline Scarlet. (complete with awful pencil marking)

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The second one I'd like to share is a N8 with a unique Crystal Palace cancel. I have been trying to find information out about this cancel (with no luck) and will update this thread when I find out more! If anyone has information they could share on this cancel I'd greatly appreciate it! Thanks!

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I like the Crystal Palace flag cancellation ...

The recorded dates I have for this postmark are from the 27 June 1911 to 6 October 1911 .. this one now extends that information by one day.

I am at this time moving all my details on postmarks to this location http://www.stampboards.com/images/philatelicweb/pmks/ but please be aware that this is a large task and at this time I am only through as far as places starting with the letter H

A picture of the full mark can be found by entering the place name in the search

hope this helps .. ALLAN
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Wow, That is a great website and a HUGE undertaking Tallanent! Good for You! :) Thanks for passing along the link, it's appreciated! Do you know if this is listed in 'Collect British Postmarks'? I cannot seem to locate it for the life of me? :roll:

My collection has a couple large accumulations of postmarks from QV to KGVI, so if there is anything I could ever help check for or scans of postmarks I may have I'd be glad to help!

Speaking of accumulations, I just joined my Grandfather(KGV-KGVI) and Great-Grandfather(QV-KEVII) who were both accumulators, and added this to my collection.

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I can't wait for this to arrive and start digging in! It Looks Primo to me! Hopefully some interesting finds and unique postmarks! :D

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What are the possible different rates paid with Downey heads? I assume the post card rate and the letter rate. As well, were they used for overseas destinations? If so, were they mostly to Europe, or were there other more "exotic" destinations?

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Hi Stever, it's great to see another Canadian posting on Stampboards, Nice! 8) :D

I may be mistaken, but I believe Downey Heads would be acceptable for any rate, as long as you could fit them on the envelope or parcel. I have a few covers that I have scanned that show two of the more common letter rates.

Here is the British letter rate, 1d.

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Here are a few different combination's with the ½d. Downey Head paying the standard Letter rate to countries in Europe. These going to France:

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skilo54,

Thanks for the post. I might be judging an exhibition this spring and wanted to get a feel for the postal history of Downey heads. There is a possibility that a downey head exhibit will be present.

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Really!?! Here in Canada, or abroad? If it is here in ONT. I'll be joining you for sure! I will just have to check out the competition!! 8) :)

I have some postcards I can post on here later to show examples of them as well.

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Hi Skilo!

Did you receive the Downey heads sending? Did you perhaps already have had a look at them and maybe made some findings? I found these two Downey head items, would the be interesting for you?

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The exhibition will be in Ottawa at the Orapex show 2011. I've seen the exhibit before a few years ago, and know the exhibitor personally. The exhibit is 5 frames of some pretty nice material. I am reasonably sure he is going to exhibit, but will let you know for sure in the future.

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josto wrote:Hi Skilo!

Did you receive the Downey heads sending? Did you perhaps already have had a look at them and maybe made some findings? I found these two Downey head items, would the be interesting for you?

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Hi Josto, :D

Yes, everything arrived safe and sound, Thank-you very much! I really love the postcard and it now has a nice spot in my Downey Head Album Postal History Section. The ½d. greens got put with the rest of them in a stockbook, for analysis later in life. The 1d. reds have been ID'd and placed into their specific sections chronologically.

I also had some nice Downey's show up from Jugos, so I'd like to thank him as well! Thanks Jugos!

Along with those I had about another 1500+ 1d. Downey's on piece with beautiful clear complete CDS show up, so organizing them has taken priority right now over looking for varieties. I will let you know if anything interesting turns up once I get inspekting. :wink:

As for your new material, I will say 'yes I want them' but I am feeling a little overwhelmed right now with my current holdings, so respectfully decline your kind offer.

Thanks again guys, I appreciate everything! :D

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@Stever- Thanks for the information, now I have to figure out how to get to Ottawa! I've never been, so there is the first great reason.....

@Asmodeus - Thanks for continuing to add your found varieties into this thread, I will have a look through my notes and see if I have anything recorded that is similar to the ones you have shown. I am almost positive I have seen that variety on one of my own 1A's, and the last one you have shown on the 1B also looks very familiar! Maybe consider posting the last one on the GBPS board for Mike J. to see? I have been working on a submission for him on the uncatalogued varieties I have in my collection. I hope to have it prepared shortly, I am just making sure I have dotted my I's and crossed my T's. :roll:

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asmodeus wrote:Small frame break over "P" of Postage.
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I have also noticed the mark above the N of 'ONE', for the record. 8)

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asmodeus wrote:Small frame break over "P" of Postage.
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I have also noticed the mark above the N of 'ONE', for the record. 8)

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Just going through my spare Downey Heads....

Frame break above "R" of Revenue and break downwards to "R".
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Have you noticed the different perforations?
I´ve got a few stamps with 14½:14 instead of 15:14. Only a very, very small percentage have got 14½:14.
Till now I only have found these on Wmk. Crown and IA and II.
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Hi Asmodeus,

What a coincidence! You are the second person in two days to notice a perf variety and ask about it online! The other is on a die 2 ½d. and apparently the other measures 14½ all the way around!? I read about an irregularity on one of the two known perf combs used for type 2c. The note in SG 4 Kings states that one of the combs was spaced ½mm larger than the other one, making those perfs read 14½-¾. I am thinking this could be a possible answer. There are also notes that state that perf 14 varieties are known, but I haven't had a chance to dig any deeper at this point. This is really interesting and I look forward to investigating this and hopefully coming up with a reason for this, along with some examples of my own. :D

It looks like I will be checking the perfs on a couple thousand 1d.'s tonight. Righteous! 8) I hope to come across some examples of my own, and will post my findings here fi any turn up! Asmodeus, I bet MJ will know the answer, if anyone knows it would be him!

Thanks again for continuing to add to this thread, Google is chewing this one up! Some of the images and links from this are on page one when "Downey Heads" is entered in the search box!! Perfect, exactly what I was hoping for!!

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Thanks again for continuing to add to this thread, Google is chewing this one up! Some of the images and links from this are on page one when "Downey Heads" is entered in the search box!! Perfect, exactly what I was hoping for!!
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Perfs 14¾:14- I´ve got more of these.
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Here is about a 5 minute video tour between the covers of my Downey Head Binder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXKne5IDOuc

I hope you find the time to take the tour, and I look forward to any and all feedback or questions!

Have a Güd One, :D

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Hi all. Just to confirm. There is a 7 frame exhibit of the Downey Heads in Ottawa at the end of the month (april 30-May 1). The exhibition is held at the RA centre on Riverside Dr. in Ottawa.

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skilo54 wrote:Here is about a 5 minute video tour between the covers of my Downey Head Binder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXKne5IDOuc

I hope you find the time to take the tour, and I look forward to any and all feedback or questions!

Have a Güd One, :D

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That is a whole lotta Downey Heads you have there. It also looks like you have nice cancels on some of them too.
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Stever wrote:Hi all. Just to confirm. There is a 7 frame exhibit of the Downey Heads in Ottawa at the end of the month (april 30-May 1). The exhibition is held at the RA centre on Riverside Dr. in Ottawa.
I think I am going to be able to make it, if everything goes according to plan that is! :roll: :lol: Thanks for the update Stever!

Hey Flying Tiger I am glad you had a chance to check out the video. I have been lucky to be able to add some interesting Downey's to the team! Oh and nice one that you posted over in your 'GB Used in Ireland' thread! Looking good, post it here too, it would fit right in! :P

Here is one that I am over the moon with, as it has a beautiful London Hooded Circle used for Late Fees, noted by the L1 D in the postmark:

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Hi folks! :)

Here is a block of 4 SG#328 with some interesting anomalies on stamp #4. I have a bunch of unrecorded flaws, most likely transitory, but I will be posting them from time to time to hopefully see if another collector has another copy of any of the ones I show. If you have something interesting, unusual or something that you would like the world to see, please post it here! The only catch is that it be specific to the subject of the thread.

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Above you will notice a large white spot to the left of the King's head affecting 4 shade lines, this is not caused by abrasion/surface damage as far as I can tell. I would almost say it is similar to the 'Tin Shed' type flaws seen on Australian KGV's.

Also of significance is the 'line' that connects the right corner of the base of the crown to the top of the King's head. This to me has potential for being more constant, so keep your eyes peeled folks, and let me know if you see anything interesting out there!

I am also always interested in buying or trading for your used Downey Head stamps. If you are interested in doing an exchange please contact me for a list of countries available for trade, or my offer for your stamps. I'll even take those ones with missing perfs or corners as long as the CDS is readable with date.

Happy trails to you, until we meet again........

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skilo54 wrote:
I am also always interested in buying or trading for your used Downey Head stamps. If you are interested in doing an exchange please contact me for a list of countries available for trade, or my offer for your stamps. I'll even take those ones with missing perfs or corners as long as the CDS is readable with date.

Hi there, :)

I just thought I better give a few specific examples as to what I am asking about. Below are two copies that are damaged yet still useful for my studies.

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I also have a tonne of PRIMO undated copies of most 1d. Downey Head types, so I can also upgrade your damaged dated copy too if a one-for-one trade is more up your alley?
That way no one is left with a gap.

Thanks for having a look folks,

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Here is the stamp from the "Britain used in Ireland" thread you asked about. It is watermarked "Crown & GVR" Scott type 32

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Does anybody have a list that correlates the Scott numbers for the Downey Heads with the Gibbons numbers ?

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Hi there,

The link Iggy referred you to in your other question thread should help you out. All the required information you need is there. Feel free to add some scans of the ones you have, the more the merrier! :D :wink:

Nice stamp (again) FlyingTiger, thanks for popping it here as well! 8)

Well it has been a bit since my last post, so I would like to share a new addition to the team:

SG 341-N11: Control B12  Block of 6 with plate markings :)

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