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So does anyone experienced in such things have an idea as to the real market value of the "Nikoletich" cover?

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So does anyone experienced in such things have an idea as to the real market value of the "Nikoletich" cover?

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Around half I'd guess Norm from any sane seller.

I have a similar one buried around here somewhere, and to get $A1000 for that, I'd be over the moon!

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Norm

I would probably think $700 to $800. I would pay more if it had all values on it. There were more done on opening day than one might think.

FDCs are few & far between because those who wanted to put one on cover preferred the "Bridge" cancels to those of first day & in the middle of the despression they could not afford to do both.

The average minimum wage at the time was £3 & as there was no specific rate for the 5/-, some just saw it as a souvenir & didn't bother at all.

Despite the price, to this sellers credit he has not tried to pass it off as a fdc, like many others do.

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GlenStephens wrote:
GJ50 wrote:If the parcel cancel was still with some of packaging paper, for me it would win hands down.

Not a CTO man.
Like this? :)
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Tassie_Stamps wrote:
GlenStephens wrote:
GJ50 wrote:If the parcel cancel was still with some of packaging paper, for me it would win hands down.

Not a CTO man.
Like this? :)
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This piece is in Phoenix Auctions, Auction #28, lot 1313 ending tomorrow. :)

Realised $380.00 + fees at Auction 136 Prestige Philately.

Currently bid up to $400
Lucky number 1313

Beautiful piece

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Current price seems pretty cheap when you consider how few of these are seen used on piece.

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Tassie_Stamps wrote:Current price seems pretty cheap when you consider how few of these are seen used on piece.
I think the $450 estimate is very reasonable - but a little much if you were thinking of soaking it :P
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I guess if you soaked it off then it would take up a little less room in your collection. :lol:

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Robert1 wrote:
Tassie_Stamps wrote:Current price seems pretty cheap when you consider how few of these are seen used on piece.
I think the $450 estimate is very reasonable - but a little much if you were thinking of soaking it :P
Sold for $500 + fees

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Its ugly and scruffy but it is another 5/- Bridge on cover

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How much would a very fine postally used 5/- harbour bridge be worth today? I want to add one to my collection.

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How much would a very fine postally used 5/- harbour bridge be worth today? I want to add one to my collection.
Oops tasuth .. sent you an email thinking this Q was on the Sales Forum where Chit Chat is banned. :)

Anyway NICE Postal used Bridges, as it clearly evident on this thread, run to several times CTO price.

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No problems!

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This has recently been added to my collection.

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tasuth wrote:This has recently been added to my collection.

I was the underbidder :D

Nice buy and still good value, well done.

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It's a small world!

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Its the beauty of auction houses going online.

I was getting some other pieces and spotted that and thought it was a lovely commercial use with a good strike, and to top it all a good price. :)

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This whole long discussion, and I somehow have managed not to show off my favourite Bridge first day cover?

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Greg

That is a very nice cover. You have been holding off on all of us. I have sent you an email.

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Usually I will collect only Sydney Harbour Bridge postcards that have one of the SHB stamps affixed but I made an exception with this one:
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An interesting little story there.

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BigSaint wrote:Usually I will collect only Sydney Harbour Bridge postcards that have one of the SHB stamps affixed but I made an exception with this one:
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An interesting little story there.

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Do outright Frauds from sellers like 8479smacma with 15,000+ feedbacks count for adding to this thread?
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This is clearly crudely re-perfed on ALL 4 SIDES by a blind Nun -

Trying desperately to hide the poorly sealed tears at side and base, and not succeeding.

“Has a couple of minor bends from being handled with tweezers as well as a slightly pulled perf at bottom & couple very minor tone spots to 3 perforations, still a lovely sample.”

Only on ebay. "Lovely Sample" indeed. I sell SUPERB CTO examples with no re-perfing, toning, tears, repairs or creasing for $250!

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Glen

Andrew might want the high end of retail price for his items but I have not found him to be a fraud. I have passed on your advice & asked him to take it off ebay.

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Brad if who you mean who I think you refer to, is he still not a member of APTA?

Unless he has a Blind Nun working as Head Describer, that stamp breaches near every single APTA Code Of Ethics right there being offered as "lovely".

It is deliberate FRAUD listing up crap like that at more than $50 as an ugly spacefiller.

ebay has a large enough army of crooks and cons without APTA members adding to the Wild West cess-pit.
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You have no argument from me on that score. Let's see what his response is to my email.

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Global Administrator wrote:Brad if who you mean who I think you refer to, is he still not a member of APTA?
He is a member, at least according to APTA's website.

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Brad, For $250 type expensive stamps you CANNOT allow cr*p like that to appear if you are a professional. Ma and Pa Kettle in Cootamundra inheriting Grandpas collection, well maybe they have an excuse. But NOT any full time dealer of long standing.

You are fully qualified in your field, and your clients EXPECT and DESERVE a standard of expertise to match your industry qualifications correct?

Every dealer misses small things now and again, me included - but you CANNOT be a member of an allegedly leading trade body, and think you can cheerfully foist laughable junk like this onto the Bunnies at above the full retail for PERFECT copies.

If that is the sloppy standard exhibited by members, we do not need Trade Bodies, as the Wild West Rules prevail then.

If I saw Max Stern doing it or Juzwin or Rod Perry I'd make the same comments. But oddly I never HAVE seen them list up howlers like that. :idea:

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Glen

I agree with you. I have asked him to take it off ebay. No doubt someone will report it to APTA too, now we know he is a member. I will also speak to him at the next BPS meeting. If I was home this weekend I would walk my dogs around to his place tomorrow.

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Ha!

Until you posted a name I had no idea who was behind that ebay account. Oddly the APTA logo features nowhere on the lot.

I'll see that person this Friday at the Perth show, and I am sure it will be gone by then. Lesson learned I hope. 8)

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Global Administrator wrote:Ha!

Until you posted a name I had no idea who was behind that ebay account. Oddly the APTA logo features nowhere on the lot.

I'll see that person this Friday at the Perth show, and I am sure it will be gone by then. Lesson learned I hope. 8)
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He's dead meat now with the "Stevo-nater" & me after him! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Forget us, he will be dead meat with APTA if he gets reported there. :idea:

The stamp still there 24 hours later with same $250 price so clearly APTA's clearly worded Codes Of Ethics do not concern him one iota it seems. Shame.

It will chew up more than $250 of his time explaining that appalling lack of standards to the Committee. :idea:

They do act. I got whacked under this clause for calling a fellow member a "snakey b*tch" to a non member in a personal email! So cheerfully selling re-perfed on all sides 5/- Bridges to hide patched up tears, should be a more serious matter than that one imagines. :idea:

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BigSaint wrote:
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He's dead meat now with the "Stevo-nater" & me after him! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Forget us, he will be dead meat with APTA if he gets reported there. :idea:

The stamp still there 24 hours later with same $250 price so clearly APTA's clearly worded Codes Of Ethics do not concern him one iota it seems. Shame.

It will chew up more than $250 of his time explaining that appalling lack of standards to the Committee. :idea:

They do act. I got whacked under this clause for calling a fellow member a "snakey b*tch" to a non member in a personal email! So cheerfully selling re-perfed on all sides 5/- Bridges to hide patched up tears, should be a more serious matter than that one imagines. :idea:

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I received a response of "I will look into it" & "I should give you some other items for your opinion".

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If you go to your link above, the ugly duck has turned in to a swan (kinda sorta)!

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True .. Andrew Ballis - ebay seller 8479smacma today removed the repaired, re-perforated on all 4 sides and mis-described dog 5/- Bridge above he had listed for SIX MONTHS at $250, and replaced it with a normal stamp - priced 20% above the real word of course, and thinks he has outsmarted everyone. :idea:

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Stamp-Australia-5-green-Sydney-Ha ... 1041613348

Most dealers would have simply closed the auction, and re-offered it described honestly at $50 etc as an ugly and heavily doctored space-filler.

Sad really, but ebay of course tracks EVERYTHING! Including the heading change, photo change, wording change and price change.
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Global Administrator wrote:True .. Andrew Ballis - ebay seller 8479smacma today removed the repaired, re-perforated on all 4 sides and mis-described dog 5/- Bridge above he had listed for SIX MONTHS at $250, and replaced it with a normal stamp - priced 20% above the real word of course, and thinks he has outsmarted everyone. :idea:
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I've noticed that that seller 8479smacma overprices just about everything he lists.
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True .. Andrew Ballis - ebay seller 8479smacma today removed the repaired, re-perforated on all 4 sides and mis-described dog 5/- Bridge above he had listed for SIX MONTHS at $250, and replaced it with a normal stamp - priced 20% above the real word of course, and thinks he has outsmarted everyone. :idea:
Perhaps he will have this one up for sale as long as the previous one :?:
At $280, for several years I imagine. Real market price for CTO is way under that.

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PeterS wrote:I've noticed that that seller 8479smacma overprices just about everything he lists.
Reminds me of the Benny Hill skit where Benny is a travel agent selling tours at "popular prices". The prices are astronomical & the customer says they are not "popular prices". Benny replies "I like them"! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I've noticed that that seller 8479smacma overprices just about everything he lists.
There is, as a former stamp dealing boss of mine used to say, "No trick to selling something for what it is worth."

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I posted this card earlier on this thread,
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& recently acquired this matching souvenir cover:
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I believe the cover was made by Lawrence Bove of St. Ives in Sydney.

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Nice pair Brad 8)

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Hi Brad;

As you know, reputation means alot to the way we run our business so i thank you for noting the re-perforated 5/- bridge. There are other people assisting with the scanning and listing of items we put on Ebay and i thought you can not be too far wrong with a 5/- bridge.

It is hard finding people with experience to employ and i am sure we all face the same dilemma but this is not excuse. I was not even aware i had it and no idea where i obtained it from.

To Glen;

We can't all be perfect Glen so i appreciate stampboards forum for bringing these things to the attention of your members.

You did not mention this issue to me in Perth when i spoke to you so i was a bit surprised when i received an email from another member today in regards to the matter.

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I doubt any minion doing the scanning, sets your prices Andrew but I may be wrong. You might have a different system to the rest of the stamp world. :mrgreen:

But you are right, reputation is important to most APTA dealers. google "Blue Owl Stamps" one day perhaps. :idea:

You run the business, and YOU set the $250 price for a stamp re-perfed on all 4 sides to crudely hide 2 tears. None of which were mentioned on the ebay description for SIX MONTHS until raised here.

Andrew, no, you WERE told about this dog August 9 by Brad at least, who suggested you remove it, (see his posts above) and doubtless by others. Your response to him was on August 11 (it is now August 23).
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I received a response of "I will look into it" & "I should give you some other items for your opinion".

Brad :(
Which seemed a smart ar*sed response to me at least, (and Brad seemed to agree) from an APTA dealer needing to have a collector tell him, that a scarce stamp had been butchered by a Blind Nun, none of which was described, and was offered at MORE than top retail for superb copies.

So despite all that, NOTHING happens then on the stamp for 2 more days until August 11 and even then it was not removed, but some clumsy and dodgy sleight of hand takes places, to change the image and price, to hide the trail - or so you hoped. Maybe that 'minion" did that too? I doubt that.
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You did not mention this issue to me in Perth when i spoke to you so i was a bit surprised when i received an email from another member today in regards to the matter.
Andrew, I first saw you in Perth August 16th and you had done your clumsy switcheroo above 5 days earlier, so I assumed you felt that action had professionally sorted the matter. Your call, not mine. No point raising it, as you'd made your decision. We are all responsible for our own actions. Others can form their own views.

To dig the hole even deeper, you now say you only got an email about this stamp TODAY (August 23) - when it is clear Brad and probably others, certainly contacted you about it a fortnight earlier on August 9th, and you personally replied to him August 11th, and I'll let others make their minds up on whether the 'minion' was sending that reply, or you. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I can only repeat what I posted earlier below, and believe the APTA Code Of Ethics were clearly broken in this case by dealer Andrew Ballis, on several counts. That's just my opinion. Nothing personal at all Andrew please accept that - if Max Stern had it listed on ebay, I'd hold the same view, and express it here the same way. Full time dealers MUST set the bar for others to follow. 8)

I can't see any listings from ebay seller 8479smacma that mentions you are an APTA member, and I suspect many will wonder "why"?

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Brad, For $250 type expensive stamps you CANNOT allow cr*p like that to appear if you are a professional. Ma and Pa Kettle in Cootamundra inheriting Grandpas collection, well maybe they have an excuse. But NOT any full time dealer of long standing.

You are fully qualified in your field, and your clients EXPECT and DESERVE a standard of expertise to match your industry qualifications correct?

Every dealer misses small things now and again, me included - but you CANNOT be a member of an allegedly leading trade body, and think you can cheerfully foist laughable junk like this onto the Bunnies at above the full retail for PERFECT copies.

If that is the sloppy standard exhibited by members, we do not need Trade Bodies, as the Wild West Rules prevail then.

If I saw Max Stern doing it or Juzwin or Rod Perry I'd make the same comments. But oddly I never HAVE seen them list up howlers like that. :idea:

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Re: Australia 1932 5/- Sydney Harbour Bridge stamp & cover c

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Apropos of nothing at all but I just happen to be in Sydney looking out my hotel window over Darling Harbour just around the point from the bridge. What a fantastic city!

Back on topic, I've got my eyes peeled for a nicer genuinely postally used copy of the 5/- than my poorly centered example. Whereupon my stamp will re-enter the market. :D

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Re: Australia 1932 5/- Sydney Harbour Bridge stamp & cover c

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There are 6 postally used bridges on ebay at the moment but none of them are in good condition. Good luck with finding one!

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Glen;

I was made aware today that this item was mentioned on Stampboards, not that i was made aware of the fault with the item today as you indicated. Brad made me aware of the item, and i changed it as soon as i had a chance to check the item myself.

In regards to your inference that i tried to hide tears or faults, that is not true. I have a good reputation of describing things quite accurately and you can check that on my Ebay feedback so i have no intention of jeopardizing this reputation.

In regards to re-listing the item at a cheaper price i prefer these items do not sell at all as the purchaser may try to sell the item off to another unsuspecting collector. That is why i removed the item.

I am afraid no conspiracy theory here.

In regards to my comment to Brad, there was no sarcasm intended at all and was in fact a compliment to him for the shear fact that he had picked the re-perf up in the first place.
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Re: Australia 1932 5/- Sydney Harbour Bridge stamp & cover c

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The other thing that Glen keeps harping on is the fact i do not have the APTA logo on my listings on Ebay.

This format of selling was started prior to me becoming a member so i have left this as is.

I have nothing to hide in this regard.

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Re: Australia 1932 5/- Sydney Harbour Bridge stamp & cover c

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tasuth wrote:There are 6 postally used bridges on ebay at the moment but none of them are in good condition. Good luck with finding one!
Thanks tasuth. I think I'll skip those. Glen seems to be the cat's meow (or lion's roar) on this item, so maybe he can help me out. Or, I'll be in Melbourne next weekend and if any of the shops are open maybe I'll get lucky there.

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Re: Australia 1932 5/- Sydney Harbour Bridge stamp & cover c

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Well I just counted 16 and some appear quite nice. :shock:
Sorry, I'll go back and check as mention was made of postal use which are hardly ever in VF condition.
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tasuth wrote:There are 6 postally used bridges on ebay at the moment but none of them are in good condition. Good luck with finding one!
Tell me about it - I think Glen nabbed one with a lovely SOTN cancel awhile ago
that I was planning on buying :P

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