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Hi all, I have a couple on hold, I like to know more about them if possible.
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I have seen these with 60pf value but not 100, anything special about this one?
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Finland with meter.
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An interesting Finland one with Aeroplanes on the border.
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Micky, the second and third item are ordinary air mail letters, but no aerogrammes. The first one is a good early aerogramme of The Federal Republic of Germany.

If you are able to provide a clear hi-res scan of front and back, I can try to find out more. It would be good if the scan is that good it shows details of the paper’s post horn overlay.

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Tricky one, I will ask the seller if they can supply a better scan of both sides.

I have it ready for purchase, I may as well get so I can do the correct scan for here. As well as the meter cover for my meter collection.



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Iraq King Faisal II aerogramme

In 1963, Iraq prepared two aerogrammes (14 Fils green, 35 Fils red) with the indicium showing a portrait of King Faisal II. The 1963 coup of the Baath party came into the way of these aerogrammes to be used as they were.

Wiegand's (2000) "Katalog der Aerogramme von Asien" states that those two aerogrammes were never sold at post offices and were not valid for posting. Wiegand writes that the aerogrammes were only sold with an overprint OR with a stamp affixed that covers the indicium.

According to Wiegand, the version with the overprint is scarcer than the one with the stamp covering the indicim.

I came across a copy that has both the overprint AND the stamp covering the indicium.

This is how the overprint looks like (most likely, the stamp has been removed from this one):

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And this is the aerogramme which has both the overprint and the stamp covering the indicium.

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Close-up of the indicium area as seen from the aerogramme's writing panel.

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Hi PBR

Normally i'm not collecting air mail.. but this one addressed to my childhood neighborhood :D

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Sent from Fresno, California on August 30, 1948 to Soerabaja

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Crude Soerabaja backstamp Sept 6, 1948.

Are the postage rate are correct? And also what is that "TR Devieze Soerabaja" handtsamp? Thanks..

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dennispurwoko wrote:Hi PBR

Normally i'm not collecting air mail.. but this one addressed to my childhood neighborhood :D

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Sent from Fresno, California on August 30, 1948 to Soerabaja

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Crude Soerabaja backstamp Sept 6, 1948.

Are the postage rate are correct? And also what is that "TR Devieze Soerabaja" handtsamp? Thanks..

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Hi Dennis,

This is no aerogramme, but an air mail letter. The complete handstamp reads “CTR DEVIEZEN / SOERABJA” and was used to document that this letter was handled by the foreign currency exchange control group.

Sorry, I have no idea as to the US air mail rates, but you might want to post an explicit request for information at the appropriate forum.

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Hi PBR
This is no aerogramme, but an air mail letter.

My mistake :oops:
Mind to ask what its the differences between them?
This is no aerogramme, but an air mail letter. The complete handstamp reads “CTR DEVIEZEN / SOERABJA” and was used to document that this letter was handled by the foreign currency exchange control group.

Sorry, I have no idea as to the US air mail rates, but you might want to post an explicit request for information at the appropriate forum.
Thank you.. I will post it in another thread.. :D

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dennispurwoko wrote:Hi PBR
This is no aerogramme, but an air mail letter.

My mistake :oops:
Mind to ask what its the differences between them?
Hi Dennis,

Designed for transit by air, aerogrammes are thin, lightweight pieces of paper that can be folded into letter size and sealed by moistening and pressing down gummed flaps. An aerogramme, hence, is envelope and writing paper rolled into one. As per UPU rules, it must not contain any enclosure.


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Hi Dennis,

Designed for transit by air, aerogrammes are thin, lightweight pieces of paper that can be folded into letter size and sealed by moistening and pressing down gummed flaps. An aerogramme, hence, is envelope and writing paper rolled into one. As per UPU rules, it must not contain any enclosure.
Thanks for explaining PBR! :D

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Japan Wiegand #11b. The overprint documents a reduction of postage (those were the days!)

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Greiner/Greiner #1c , grey paper
  • Dotted address lines, 11 dots per cm
  • Line below “If anything is enclosed …” is 20 mm wide
  • Area in which the indicium is printed is 23.5 mm wide
  • Rectangular area recessed from overlay to indicate where sealing flaps have to be affixed to
Greiner/Greiner specify October 1943 as the month of issue. This copy dated September 29, 1943, as per the message on the writing panel.

Air Letter posted aboard HMC Ship Edmunston, a Flower-class corvette operating as an anti-submarine convoy escort, and was addressed to Canada.

Interestingly, a UK civil air letter was used and not one of the (Canadian) military air letter forms. The air letter was censored and handstamped “From H. M. C. Ship / Examined by DB N 621”

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British military air letter form used by a passenger on board P&O liner "Canton" on its way to London. Written on 31st May 1946 "in the Read Sea somewhere in line with Mecca".

The sender of this air letter form asked the addressee to "keep the letter for me as the stamps - British - will be posted abroad, i.e. from Suez which is the next port of call".

The "Canton" was supposed to reach Southampton on "Whit Sunday or Monday", i.e. 9th or 10 June 1946.

However, the air letter was cancelled London F.S. Paquebot (25 Jun 46). It should have received the Suez paquebot cancel when it really had entered the mailstream there.

It looks like the air letter did not leave the ship but was carried all the way to London where it finally was posted.

Franked at 1s, the air letter is overpaid by 6d.


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Joy Daschaudhuri, in private communication, advised me that this is an Indian military air letter form, not a British one. Of course, he is correct.


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Hi all,

a couple more I picked up,

one from South Korea
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and a Panam one from Panama
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Hi,

A 10d pre-decimal Australian aerogramme was mailed from Gosford, Australia to Vejle, Denmark. The aerogramme was postmarked on 28 DEC 1967.
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The aerogramme was taxed 4c, two cents for underpaying the 10 cents aerogramme rate plus two cents for the postage due fee. 7c was the surface rate to Denmark from Australia.

Did the aerogramme travel by surface or by air?

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agondocz wrote:Hi,

A 10d pre-decimal Australian aerogramme was mailed from Gosford, Australia to Vejle, Denmark. The aerogramme was postmarked on 28 DEC 1967.
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The aerogramme was taxed 4c, two cents for underpaying the 10 cents aerogramme rate plus two cents for the postage due fee. 7c was the surface rate to Denmark from Australia.

Did the aerogramme travel by surface or by air?

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Andrew,

taxation as per UPU rules at the time of posting was as follows: Tax fraction's numerator shows double deficiency (2 x 2c), the denominator the first weight step UPU surface rate (7c).

Postal authorities were allowed to mark and collect an additional handling fee only on incoming mail, not on outgoing mail.

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I found this 1954 Malaya Singapore KGVI aerogramme interesting because of the very poor print quality of the yellow stamp, in absolute terms and compared with the red stamp to its left (which is of letterpress-like quality).

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It was printed by McCorquodale, and I think they did not have the original De La Rue plates for the coconut stamp and perhaps had to make a photographic reproduction from the original printed stamp -

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I am not picking on Wayne in particular, his is just the latest post to have minimal narrative searchable by Google and the onsite search function. Although 'Selangor to England' and the date is useful, the word aerogramme or air letter in the description, and the value and country (in this case Malaysia rather than Selangor) of the printed or affixed stamp(s) would add so much.
Wayne1951 wrote:3 from Malaysia

Aug 17, 1966 Perak to India

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Oct 29, 1977 Negeri Sembilan to India

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May 17, 1972 Selangor to England

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Hi all, here is an Air Mail cover I have coming.


To Supreme Command of allied powers in Japan, whom the title held by General Douglas MacArthur. I have no idea if there is anything inside or on the back, but an interesting item to have. I don't know what the red ink is, there may be answer to that on the back :?:

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Nice, but it's not an aerogramme or air letter.
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norvic wrote:Nice, but it's not an aerogramme or air letter.
:oops: I did it again.

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Hi, Does anyone here know if Malaysia and Brunei still issue aerogrammes? Thanks.

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Added these to the Papua thread, but adding here too

I picked up these as I have not seen many aerogrammes from Papua New Guinea

10c Aerogramme to UK sent 19 July 1974
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10c Aerogramme to UK uprated with additional 5c coil stamp sent 22 Feb 1974 (looking at the above, did the rate go down? or was it underpaid?
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15c Aerogramme to UK 15c rate sent 2 September 1978
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15c Aerogramme to UK 15c rate sent 21 November 1974
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Plus one uprated one from Sri Lanka

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New discovery of a Tanzania aerogramme.

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This is is not listed in the NGK catalogue: Tanzania #1 uprated by a purple boxed handstamp "For inland use only / Postage Paid 15 /-"


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Hi peik

I have a doubt.Do India post still issue Aerogrammes?
I have asked my local PO but they seem to know nothing about it.They are mistaking it for an Airmail cover.

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Very typical, Kewin. Even in Australia where still every now and then a new aerogramme is issued, the staff (even of Australia Post's customer service team) struggle with the concept of the aerogramme.

Here is a nice story about their level of competence: http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=50287&start=50#p3728964

As far as I know, India does not issue aerogrammes anymore.


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Hi PRB,

Nice Tanzanian discovery!

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I made myself a Christmas present :D

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Yellow and red colors and helecon printing missing in 1981 33 cent aerogramme (A55).


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Hi All,
Nice pick up Peik, I did see it as well
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Hi,

An odd Iranian aerogramme:
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10 rials was the aerogramme rate between 1971 and 1977.

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Andrew, that one is a cracker! Congratulations :D

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An Aerogramme that is coming home to me very soon I hope.

Looks like its has an Antarctic postmark.

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Two Nigerian aerogrammes written on the same day, left one first, then right. Text in the right aerogramme apologises for posting the previous letter without a stamp. Catalogue A.15.01 in "Aerogrammes of Nigeria". All details identical except for missing stamp. Note also that no postage due was charged.

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Micky wrote:Hi all, I have a couple on hold, I like to know more about them if possible.
Pictures are from online supplier.

I have seen these with 60pf value but not 100, anything special about this one?
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Micky
These were produced in the American/British Zones of Allied Occupied Germany when airmail to foreign destinations was very restricted. Apart from special arrangements for Business Mail, these Aerogrammes were (theoretically!) the only method available.

According to this source:
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"Part VII
IRC Air Mail: FFCs, Aerograms, and Ersatzaerogramme
(1.5. – 19.10.1948)
May 1, 1948
Parallel to the JEIA subsidized business correspondence, private air mail for Germans is also authorized, but restricted to air letters (aerograms) reprinted with the text “Taxe Perçue 100 Pf. / Deutsche Post,” to be purchased at the Post Office for two IRCs (rate period 1). Incidentally, the IRCs had to be provided by the foreign correspondent, since they were not available in Germany.
It was very hard for Germans to get IRCs from their correspondents by surface.
Oct. 20, 1948
Air mail letters up to 100g can be sent without permits, admission labels, or IRCs, by everyone in all three Western Zones."

You can see that your example, with a date of 15.12.48, is outside this period, however these were still being used, although latterly only costing 60Pf.

Here is one, from my collection, from within the restricted period (Date: 18.08.48):

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The 60Pf examples were not produced until 1949.

Special ones were produced for use in W.Berlin. Here is one used in 1952:

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Great information OldDuffer1, the above is still on my hold list it has not sold yet and is a front only item. The seller has a couple different 60pf also, I will show them here also if I can find them.


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Great information OldDuffer1, the above is still on my hold list it has not sold yet and is a front only item. The seller has a couple different 60pf also, I will show them here also if I can find them.


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Great information OldDuffer1, the above is still on my hold list it has not sold yet $15US and is a front only item. The seller has a couple different 60pf also.

Approx $60US, looks nice but is it worth the funds.
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And $30US
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Great information OldDuffer1, the above is still on my hold list it has not sold yet $15US and is a front only item. The seller has a couple different 60pf also.

Approx $60US, looks nice but is it worth the funds.
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And $30US
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Great information OldDuffer1, the above is still on my hold list it has not sold yet $15US and is a front only item. The seller has a couple different 60pf also.

Approx $60US, looks nice but is it worth the funds.
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And $30US
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Great information OldDuffer1, the above is still on my hold list it has not sold yet $15US and is a front only item. The seller has a couple different 60pf also.

Approx $60US, looks nice but is it worth the funds.
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Sorry Multiple posts, I did not mean too.

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Hi Micky- Wouldn't like to comment on prices- you would be best to have a look around on Delcampe and ebay.de. Examples from the restricted period can be quite pricy. Obviously the 1st one has a special cancellation for the Wuppertal Suspension train and then helicopter. Not sure if the extra 5Pf was required for this? The Berlin ones seem to be less common in any case. (Although in this case not used in Berlin, of course!)

The second one is a later type- I would say the price asked is rather high, but it all depends how much you want them, of course! If a serious collector of these items you should try to obtain one from within the restricted period.

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The above source also states that:

"Although no official document that actually says so has been found yet, it is generally assumed that, in the rather common case that a post office did not have aerograms in stock, private letters up to 5g (or maybe 10g? Examples weighing between 6g and 9g are known) were accepted as “Ersatzaerogramme,” the postage for which also had to be paid for with two IRCs. It seems that such envelopes were supposed to be franked with a handstamp or handwritten note similar to the preprinted aerograms, but often stamps were also used for franking. These should have been affixed only by the post office in exchange for the IRCs."

I was lucky enough to pick up a cover, which I think must be an example of an “Ersatzaerogramme”, recently:

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The postage paid at 100Pf is correct and the date of 22.07.48.

Here is a reversed colour scan to show the date more clearly:

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Unfortunately no receiving cancel (not unusual unless a Registered item).

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Interestingly the sender's address is Rastatt, which was in the French Zone, but it was posted from nearby Karlsruhe, which was in the American Zone. I believe this facility was not available in the French Zone at that time.

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A small 9 page display I've put together for Sudan Air Letter Cards / Air Letters / Aerogrammes.

Sudan first issued air letters in 1944. The initial air mail fee was 2 1/2 piastres. The fee increased to 3 1/2 piastres on 1 January 1953, and again to 4 piastres some time between 1954 and 1959.

When exactly did the aerogramme fee increase again?
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A very attractive display Dave, well done :D

Here are a few I bought today at a fair


Papua New Guinea, philatelic in the sense it is asking a stamp publisher their subscription costs, but also commercial.... I know some of these are tough to find

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No.3 Formula type cancelled 9th September 1967

Malaya a commercial air letter

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Approved as no.25

and finally this Yemen with PDR Yemen postage paid and Aden cancel is it registered?
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It is saying the sender has ordered some stamps form another company in Wales and he wants to wait to see the stamps- then he may place an order with them.. so commercial really I guess- I can scan the other side if interested

As ever any additional information most welcome :D

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Hi Lundy,

Two articles:
  • Nicolini, J.A.: "Middle East Postal Stationery" in Postal Stationery, March - April 1980, pp 34 - 36. The article is about the PDRY provisional aerogrammes from 1977.

    Graham, M.A.M.: "People's Democratic Republic of Yemen Obligatory Charity Labels 1977" in The Dhow, Volume 3, no. 2, June 2002, p. 6. The label was a postal tax stamp for the 11th World Festival of Youth and Students. Value was 5 fils.
The PDRY aerogramme is rather scarce, especially postally used. The white label is the 5 fils postal tax stamp. Not in any catalogue that I am aware of, but perhaps it should be.

I wouldn't mind seeing the other side.

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Thanks Andrew,

Good to know I found something interesting :D

Here is the other side
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and close up of the content
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Lundy wrote:
and finally this Yemen with PDR Yemen postage paid and Aden cancel is it registered?
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It is saying the sender has ordered some stamps form another company in Wales and he wants to wait to see the stamps- then he may place an order with them.. so commercial really I guess- I can scan the other side if interested

As ever any additional information most welcome

Lundy :D
A nice example.
All details said by Andrew.
I have 1, but they are rather scarce.
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