
Incorrect plate reconstruction of plate A, pos. 1 = plate B (pos.10), pos. 2+3 = plate C (pos.3+15)
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David, yes I agree. The Spiro forgeries usually have different shape of numerals - English as well as Turkish ones. Very easy to spot if you have ever seen them once.David Benson wrote:Ikanek,
Regarding the Ottoman Empire Duloz & Newspaper overprints.
It is amazing that these hadn't been deemed forgeries earlier by previous Judges. The 5pi. is very simple, the top of the 5 is entirely different and well known as a quick guide to forgeries. Anyone with basic knowledge of the items should be able to pick the Spiros. The Newspaper handstamps should only be shown with certificates as all are considered bad without one.
David B.
It is not uncommon for a judge to bring along a catalogue during judging sessions, to double check what is there and more importantly " what is not there ".For example, just to get at least basic knowledge of Travancore official stamps, you need to go through only 2 pages in SG. That´s task for a one afternoon of study.
I never said they have to accept the Exhibitors word, astute judges should have picked up the discrepancies during the different phases of the exhibit from the first time it was exhibited and as it rose through the levels to attain acceptance at the top level.And on the basis of they have to accept the exhibitors word,
Well that certainly makes more sense!David Benson wrote:Cloudwatcher,
There would have more than one team to judge Traditional. One of the Teams would be for Asian Exhibits and I agree the Afghanistan may have been difficult to find a team member who was proficient in that country. There should have been team members proficient in Turkey as it is entered more and the forgeries that were there should have been easily recognised by anyone who had a basic knowledge of that period,
David B.
Thank you for the clarification - I did wonder how it was possible for all the exhibits to be judged by just three jurorsikanek wrote: Yes, there were at least three if not four judging groups for Traditional Philately. One for Asia, one for Europe, one for Africa and America. Each group had roughly about 20 exhibits to judge. The judging took about 2 full days and one afternoon.
For example, just to get at least basic knowledge of Travancore official stamps, you need to go through only 2 pages in SG. That´s task for a one afternoon of study.
I try to prepare for exhibit judging more. First, I gather information from various catalogs - Scott, Michel, if Commonwealth SG, Yvert. Then, I try to find similar exhibits online (Exponet, AAPE and other sites). And if possible I try to find more info in our libraries. It is also possible to look on what is usually offered for example on eBay and Delcampe.
The one highlighted above should have the high level medal removed. Medals are clearly a joke if sloppy entries like that get one!FIP Rules wrote:"If an exhibit contains many faked, forged or repaired items which are not marked as such, the exhibit may be put out of competition."
The key word is determined. I am sure the next time the exhibit is entered word would have got around to whoever is judging it and the exhibit would be closely examined to see if the problem items have been removed.Should an exhibit be determined to contain faked
ikanek wrote:The introduction page is full of mistakes, the exhibit is not fully specified, there are missing references to literature, own research is not mentioned and so on.
I would not mind that the exhibit was purely general without the slightest specialization if the series were at least complete. In all cases, there were no scarcer stamps worth more than 10 dollars which are easy to get.
It is surprising that the exhibitor did not invest in the completion of the series, but had no problem paying exhibition fees of almost 400 dollars. The completion of the missing denominations would not require large funds, say, 1,000 dollars.
Besides the missing stamps in the series some stamps were damaged, even with bad stains. Such condition should not be present at world stamp show with the exception of very rare items.
In the exhibit, there were several forgeries to defraud collectors similarly as in the case of one Afghanistan exhibit. The first were from issues known as Duloz and Large crescent. Both forgeries are of the same provenience (Spiro) and were made at the end of 19th century. They are usually cancelled with one type of faked blue cancel.
The forgeries differ in the design (especially the corner numerals) and in singles are common. They are depicted for example at https://stampforgeries.com/forged-stamps-of-turkey-duloz/. They are also mentioned in the book of A. Passer from 1938 (The stamps of Turkey).
This I find rather a rash statement !!!ikanek wrote: It is logical to assume that an Asian jury team at the Asian exhibition will know the entire area of Asia very well.
Perhaps, it is a rash statement. And what about the statement we have been told by them "they do not have to study everything they will judge"?GJ50 wrote:This I find rather a rash statement !!!ikanek wrote: It is logical to assume that an Asian jury team at the Asian exhibition will know the entire area of Asia very well.
Therefore all European judges know majority of material from ALL 35 plus European countries now and in the past. I doubt it very much.
GJ50
The judges presumably spotting none of the errors made in the Afghan exhibit seems extremely careless given their decision to award it such a high score (90 points).GJ50 wrote:This I find rather a rash statement !!!ikanek wrote: It is logical to assume that an Asian jury team at the Asian exhibition will know the entire area of Asia very well.
Therefore all European judges know majority of material from ALL 35 plus European countries now and in the past. I doubt it very much.
GJ50
Yes, there will be. But to do this at home FIP show would be more easier and less expensive for me (no airfare). The second problem is that there is a huge demand to be a judge, so it can take many years to be on the list.David Benson wrote:Ikanek,
sorry to hear about your predicament as I am sure you will make a fine judge. Is there any other exhibitions you can enter in time to pass the judges accreditation.
David B.
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