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RoCe wrote:
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mukulgarga wrote:
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mukulgarga wrote:
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I have an example of SG02 with me with top border showing State I on medium thickness creamy laid paper. Hence differentiating SG02-SG04 Jammu Prints from SG013-SG015 Srinagar printing on the basis of paper colour alone would be wrong. I guess paper thickness is a much better guide than the paper colour. The Jammu printings are on medium thickness white or creamy white laid paper and those of Srinagar on thin creamy laid paper. However Gibbons doesn't mention the paper thickness of the Jammu prints.
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I guess I was not able to put it in the right way. Would be better if I ask the question. How does one differentiate between SG02-SG04 and SG013-SG015 if the plate state is not known?
The most important factor is thickness. The later Pratap issue is much thinner. My copies of the later laid paper are also courser than my rather smooth early laid copies, but this is probably not the right distinguishing factor.

You can find many information and a lot of details in all books about J&K stamps.

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There were around 4 of these on eBay & something I’ve not seen in a while happened - no one bid on them!

Is there something wrong with them or are they very common?

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The eBay seller spelled out clearly what the stamps were -- Poonch SgO1b tete-beche pairs. They have a current catalogue value of ~GBP35. In his listing he indicates they are from a May 2021 Stanley Gibbons auction. He is asking about 75% of catalogue and a bunch (I saw 7 different pairs) did not sell. One pair that he started lower did sell, but for a bit less than he was asking as a starting price for the 7 that did not sell. You managed to post a blurry image. Not sure how you accomplished that but below are good images of a pair that sold and one that did not.


They all look perfectly genuine. Not rare.

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Yes, not rare but perfectly genuine.

The seller, bloxhamstamps, also listed a number of the recent revenue proofs and colour trials from the SG auction and again they failed to attract bids.

In my opinion, their starting prices are too high. Maybe they will be relisted?

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peterh wrote:
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Yes, not rare but perfectly genuine.

The seller, bloxhamstamps, also listed a number of the recent revenue proofs and colour trials from the SG auction and again they failed to attract bids.

In my opinion, their starting prices are too high. Maybe they will be relisted?
I bought yesterday three single lots which were part of larger collection. And yes, they were re-listed as buy-it-now. And yes starting prices are quite high.

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peterh wrote:
16 Jun 2021 22:42
Yes, not rare but perfectly genuine.

The seller, bloxhamstamps, also listed a number of the recent revenue proofs and colour trials from the SG auction and again they failed to attract bids.

In my opinion, their starting prices are too high. Maybe they will be relisted?
Although this Poonch tete-beche pair is not very rare, it is not common. It isn’t offered for sale often and my personal opinion is that the starting price was rather fair and the catalogue value is rather low. There are many IFS stamps that are much more common than this Poonch pair, but are usually sold for higher price. It appears to me that in this particular case price is linked rather to demand then to rarity.

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I have a simple question from reading old posts… what is an acceptable condition for Kashmir circulars - I’ve seen them close together & far apart, with edges cut, cut to shape… hope you don’t mind answering such simple questions
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Please advise if these are genuine

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I have a simple question from reading old posts… what is an acceptable condition for Kashmir circulars - I’ve seen them close together & far apart, with edges cut, cut to shape… hope you don’t mind answering such simple questions
Simple question, but not an easy answer. :) There is no rule of thumb that would apply to Kashmir circulars as their rarity significantly varies.

There are many circulars that I would accept in any condition as it is the only chance to own them. I would also accept several SG numbers also in rather poor condition just to be able to study shade of the stamp and compare it with my existing ones.

Also, the appetite to accept suboptimal condition depends on the fact if this is your first copy or if you are just whishing to improve from existing one.

Generally, cut-to-shape stamps are usually worth a significant discount, primarily when they are off-cover. But they are of course exemptions - I still wait to see SG 4 in mint condition or in used condition not cut to shape. Used copies of some circulars are not know, so a genuine used copy in a very poor condition might be much more expensive than a perfect mint copy.

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Thank you RoCe for the response.. I have some one offering me an Sg 27 at a discounted rate which has been cut close at the top & below - the margins there are not complete.

But it would be my first & perhaps only genuine circular so wanted to check first before spending what to me is a considerable amount.
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Hyderabadi wrote:
21 Jun 2021 19:57
Thank you RoCe for the response.. I have some one offering me an Sg 27 at a discounted rate which has been cut close at the top & below - the margins there are not complete.

But it would be my first & perhaps only genuine circular so wanted to check first before spending what to me is a considerable amount.
Fair retail value of a mint copy of SG 27 is around 35 GBP. Some ebay transactions were cheaper (25-35 GBP), some were much more expensive (around 75 GBP). Discounted price of your copy might be in the range 25-30 GBP.

But be careful - reprints are often very similar to genuine ones.

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Never seen such a close cut Bundi Stamp on cover. Though a nice cover of a scarce stamp.
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Hi,
do you think this Indore SG4 (or 3?) part of sheet is genuine ?

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digeriukas wrote:
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Hi,
do you think this Indore SG4 (or 3?) part of sheet is genuine ?


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Yes, it is genuine.

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ikanek wrote:
25 Jun 2021 01:32
digeriukas wrote:
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Hi,
do you think this Indore SG4 (or 3?) part of sheet is genuine ?


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Yes, it is genuine.
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At the recent Stanley Gibbons Indian States auction, there were 5 Gwalior lots described as type 40.

According to K&M, type 40 was printed in litho by De La Rue and type 41 (Perkins Bacon?) was slightly smaller in size and redrawn so that the G in Gwalior is lowered to eye level.

Here's an image of what I've always though as type 40 (on left) and one of their type 40 stamps.
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Did they get this wrong or have I misunderstood something?

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mikyh wrote:
28 Jun 2021 17:28
At the recent Stanley Gibbons Indian States auction, there were 5 Gwalior lots described as type 40.

According to K&M, type 40 was printed in litho by De La Rue and type 41 (Perkins Bacon?) was slightly smaller in size and redrawn so that the G in Gwalior is lowered to eye level.

Here's an image of what I've always though as type 40 (on left) and one of their type 40 stamps.

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Did they get this wrong or have I misunderstood something?
It is simple. The stamp at left is Type 40 and the right stamp is of Type 41. The better differences than size and the G lowered to eye level are the lower letters and their respective styles.

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Thank you for clarifying that.

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Below is an image from an eBay listing.


Called a Duttia 4a (i.e. SG11) but I have my doubts. It certainly has the look and feel of a Duttia stamp but it does not look quite right to me. The legend lettering does not look right, the Ganesh seems too clear and so does the control stamp.


Am I wrong to think this a somewhat deceptive fake?


It certainly does not have a CV of GBP 250 but rather GBP 40/250. I suspect the seller thinks it used.

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The Duttia item is definitely a forgery.

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For the lovers of Jaipur state, I had posted about a an essay stamp, but didn't had any references. I got to know about it from family tales and a facebook post Of late Mr Ratan Chand Bhatia. Now after the updated website of ISC, it has become so easy to look for references in IP data base.
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Setting a new philatelic world record at the Stanley Gibbons Auction House

Won't spoil it by saying what this Duttia SG5 sold for. A new discovery, apparently "only 2 or 3 others known" according to SG:

Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQxQ_NXvw38

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Wadhwan question


I bought this pair recently. It was called an essay (Type I). There are a number of clear differences from the issued stamps. It is on the right kind of paper, wove and thin (2mils). I can't find any reference to this. It looks like Wadhwan and not some kind of reprint. Does anyone know anything about this "essay?" Is there any documentation on it?


The bottom image is backlit so you can see what the paper looks like:

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Hi,
do you think these Jaipur sheets are genuine ?

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Yes. Absolutely. All of them genuine.
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Charkhari question

Hi all. I am working with a contributor to flesh out the currently meager listings of IFS stamps on Colnect. However with Charkhari I am having some confusion regarding the 1894 issue. Partially this is due to the contributor basing contributions on Michel, which is not very helpful or accurate (Michel says the 4 anna issues of Charkhari of 1897 and 1904 are in violet(!) :shock: ) But what is confusing me more is that it says the 1894 issue has the currency inscriptions all in lower case letters.

I am looking at Gibbons India, 4th ed and I *think* that is what it is saying for SG 1-4 as well, that the currency inscriptions should be in lower case.

But then looking at images online via Stamp Auction Network, any of the stamps being listed as from the 1894 issue show images with capital letters.

For example, this item from Gibbons recent auction https://stampauctionnetwork.com/gi/gi591415.cfm
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1894 ¼ ANNA rose unused, without gum as issued, with experimental pin-perf. BPA Certificate (1988) mentioning horizontal crease at base, which is not obtrusive. Only two examples known to us. SG 1 var. (£3000 for the normal imperforate stamp); Scott 3A var.
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1894 1 ANNAS dull green, imperforate, unused without gum as issued. Minor thin spots at top, the first issue of Charkhari being vulnerable to thinning due to the flimsy paper used. Rare. SG 2, £5000; Scott 1
I want to have the informaton correct in our listings on Colnect, so could someone with more experience clarify - should the currency inscriptions on SG 1-4 of Charkhari be in capital or lower-case letters?

Thanks!

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Charkhari question 2

Anyone want to fathom exactly what Michel is referring to regarding 1907 versions of the 2 anna and 4 anna stamps of the first issue

Here is the Michel listing for the 1894-1904/1907 issue
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Michel seems to be saying there was a third setting of the numerals of value for the 2 and 4 anna stamps done in 1907, but Gibbons makes no mention of any 1907 versions that I can see in my India, 4th ed.

Any ideas??

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DJCMH asked,
I want to have the informaton correct in our listings on Colnect, so could someone with more experience clarify - should the currency inscriptions on SG 1-4 of Charkhari be in capital or lower-case letters?


Michel is incorrect on lowercase letters in the legend for Charkhari SG.1-4. It is probably a mistaken reading of the SG catalog. Below is an excerpt from the 5th edition. You will note that the catalog says "anna" and "annas" for 1-4 but they did not mean that literally. If they had, they would probably have put it in quotes.

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DJCMH asked,
Michel seems to be saying there was a third setting of the numerals of value for the 2 and 4 anna stamps done in 1907, but Gibbons makes no mention of any 1907 versions that I can see in my India, 4th ed.

Any ideas??


In the Michel plate below, they specifically indicate what they think the 1907 issues look like (red underlines). Gibbons does not list such an issue and I have no knowledge whether they are correct or not:

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Hi,
do you think these Bhor stamps are genuine ? Looks ok to me :roll:

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digeriukas wrote:
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Hi,
do you think these Bhor stamps are genuine ? Looks ok to me :roll:


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All genuine beyond doubts.
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indianchariots wrote:
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digeriukas wrote:
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Hi,
do you think these Bhor stamps are genuine ? Looks ok to me :roll:


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All genuine beyond doubts.
Thanks again for sharing your knowledge ;)

What about these Duttia stamps ?

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For aficionados of Bundi ,the latest classicphil auction has quite a treat. Ditto for Cochin
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shivnair wrote:
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For aficionados of Bundi ,the latest classicphil auction has quite a treat. Ditto for Cochin
https://classicphil.com/en/search/7023/page/1/?searchtext=bundi
There is a lot of stuff in here from the recently concluded Heinrich Koehler auction. Looks like classicphill bought it themselves and are now retailing them thru their own platform. Everybody wants a bite of Indian States after all!

Crazy pricing however I felt. While there are plenty of funny examples that I could quote, this one's my favourite.

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SG26 1a Carmine from the 1912-22 Typo printed series of Jaipur.

Stamp has been identified as one half of an Imperf between vert pair - SG26a. Now since that Imperf pair happens to catalogue at £1800, classicphill has been generous enought to split the CV in half and mention it as £900.

May be you could buy the other half of the piece in their next auction and perhaps complete your so called "Imperf between vert". How interesting!

What's even more funnier is that this stamp actually comes from the upper edge of the sheet where the margin was a part of the stamp itself. Sometimes perforated and sometimes not. They can at times be found used on covers as well.

A €10 passable stamp listed at €220 and Estimated at €1050.
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Thanks indianchariots :D

Calling out such misrepresentation and unethical practice is a positive contribution to philately.

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I have a few questions about Jammu&Kashmir reprints/forgeries.


Below is what is clearly a reprint, I got on eBay recently for a couple bucks. It is very crude but the paper is interesting. Pelure like, but laid with very precise lines. 1.5mils makes it about the thinnest paper I have found. Seems like printers ink as it does not run, though it looks smudged.


I suspect someone is making these currently. Does anyone know where these come from? There seem to be a lot of similar ones mostly selling pretty cheaply i.e., under $30 dollars.

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My real question for this post is -- are there any reprints/forgeries that are in watercolor on the smoother, thinner native paper?

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Would like someone to tell me something abount these stamps
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sagi2917 wrote:
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Nawanagar


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Jasdan

All the stamps of Jasdan were gummed. So all the genuine copies have to be gummed. Is your stamps gummed?
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rodneyf wrote:
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Please advise if these are genuine

Nawanagar
If the 1 Anna black docra is on laid paper then its very very rare

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Jasdan

All the stamps of Jasdan were gummed. So all the genuine copies have to be gummed. Is your stamps gummed?
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rodneyf wrote:
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rodneyf wrote:
06 Aug 2021 07:31
sagi2917 wrote:
20 Jun 2021 21:50
Please advise if these are genuine

Nawanagar
If the 1 Anna black docra is on laid paper then its very very rare

Laid paper: stamps printed on laid paper, when held up to the light, show discernible light and dark lines. This is accomplished by impressing wide, parallel, horizontal or vertical wires into the pulp as it settles on the screen. The pulp in-between the wires will settle and dry in a thicker layer and show up as a darker, more opaque paper against a light source. Basically, the «lines» of laid paper are bands of subtle differences in paper thickness.

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All the stamps of Jasdan were gummed. So all the genuine copies have to be gummed. Is your stamps gummed?
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Does this look like genuine shahpura stamps? Please advise
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A comment from the sidelines (without any relevant expertise): the perforations are very irregular — in particular, the "random" extra perforation on the first stamp, above the base, caught my attention...

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Hi
Recently I got an offer from a dealer, the items looks like Hyderabad State Revenue Proofs, can anyone enlighten me about these, whether they are genuine or not
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It is possible to have better scans?

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Here I enclosed one pic
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Look like proofs to me. :)
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Yes, they look like proofs, without the plugs for dates. Are they on wove paper or chalky paper?

I would rather check them using UV-lamp (rather both wavelengths used) as I have met with some modern products imitating the proofs.

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rajk wrote:
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Hi
Recently I got an offer from a dealer, the items looks like Hyderabad State Revenue Proofs, can anyone enlighten me about these, whether they are genuine or not
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looks genuine..

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Is this genuine? supposedly SG 14… your opinions please…
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Re: Banging the drum for the Uglies - discuss Indian States stamps

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Is this NAWANAGAR: 1877 Typeset or 1880 Typeset ?
The characteristic of these stamps is quite different to what Stanley Gibbons shows.
a. The colours appear to be varying shades of deep mauve. Could the age affect the fading of these colours.
b. The stamps have all thick horizontal and vertical framelines when compared to the 1880 issues.
c. The stamps are 15mm wide and
d. Typeset black
e. Wove paper and s.
f. The stamps are 1 doc, 2 doc and 3 doc in order from left to right.
g. The 2 doc stamp has a feint oval intaglio seal strike

Can someone confirm the which year these stamps relate to and their Stanley Gibbons Reference No.
Does one know the value of these stamps?
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