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Yes.....14 digits is the norm.

I kinda discovered this accidently a few years ago. In cases where the printing is bad and the first four digits are not crystal clear, the counter number is a good indication. As you will know larger towns have a lot of numbered counters as you stand in line "Deasc uimhir a seacht" or whatever but maybe 25% of the post offices in the Republic have a single counter.

So when a SOAR shows counter "07" or "04" I eliminate the villages.

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Thank you John.

I must have missed the bit about 13 digit numbers. Am I right in saying that 14 digits is the norm? :ugeek:
Hi RevRed ,

Check out the post from 15 October, it explains the numbering systems including the two different date formats used, the first with between 7 and 15 digits and the second, and current, with 14 digits.

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Hi David.
I remember reading that at the time, but did not fully grasp it, as I had not studied any SOARs at that point. I don't think I would have understood that 14 digits is standard after early 2013.

So since 2013 there won't be any doubt about which post office the SOAR was issued in?

Rather unfortunately, the biggest number of SOARs I have are from 2012................. :( :shock:
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I have something like 200 plus used soars and 140 mint issues. I have been fortunate to obtain SOARs at 1/2/3/4/5 and under 19 cent value, both mint and used on cover, which I am informed, local P.O.s are not supposed to issue. Is this so? When I was in Cork 2018, I obtained 32 sets of 1/2/3/4/5/10/15/20 & 25 cent value issues.

I had a friend in Australia who also collected them. Half were placed on a large envelope and the half lot of mint ones placed inside.and the envelopes sent back to Australia. All arrived safely. To return to my original question about whether P.O.s were supposed to issue low value SOARs, would these sets of mint and used Soars be valuable? I will not be selling mine!!!!
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................. I have been fortunate to obtain SOARs at 1/2/3/4/5 and under 19 cent value, both mint and used on cover, which I am informed, local P.O.s are not supposed to issue. Is this so? .............
Probably depends on what mood the PO Clerk is in, but yes, SOARs can be purchased for any value.
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When I was in Cork 2018, I obtained 32 sets of 1/2/3/4/5/10/15/20 & 25 cent value issues.
With over a dozen people queuing behind you, many standing outside the PO in the freezing cold (as per Covid Restrictions); I'd not chance that today. :lol:

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I have well over 8,000 used SOARs in my collection.

There are currently 942 post offices "active" in the Republic and I have used SOARs from 887, so I have just 55 post offices to get. I have another 2,000 plus SOARs unsorted or to add to the collection. Some post offices like GPO or Galway, I have hundreds of them. Others maybe just one or two SOARs.

I go on day trips to get the missing post offices. If I draw a line across Ireland from Galway to Dublin ...the northern side of that line is easier for me. I have 3 post offices to get in Donegal (2 are off-shore), 0 in Monaghan, 1 in Cavan, 0 in Louth, Longford, Westmeath, 1 in Meath, 1 in Galway (it is offshore), 2 in Roscommon, 2 in Mayo (1 is offshore) and 2 in Dublin, 0 in KIldare.

Strictly speaking post offices are not supposed to sell stamps as 1 cent, but over the years, I have found that some post offices are more strict about this than others. I have around 100 SOARS in a range of values so I take maybe 10 or so out with me. If I take 3x70 cents into a post office and ask the clerk to sell me 3x30 cents and so on (national rate is €1) I wont have any bother.

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2012 SOARs with 13 digits.

So here we have six SOARs all from early 2012 with 105 as the first three digits. The post office could be
0105: Abbeyside, Co. Waterford.
2105:Kells, Co. Kilkenny, or
3105: Rathfarnam, Dublin 14

5 of the 6 show counter No.1 and the sixth shows counter No.2, so no conclusion can be taken from that as to the size of the Post Office.

The €5.75 value SOAR has a postmark - Dún na Mainistreach, which is Abbbeyside in English. So, we can conclude it was issued there. But, that does not necessarily mean that all six were issued there, I take it? Unless, we look at the sequential numbers, which do seem to follow the dates shown, but is that conclusive enough to decide that they were all issued in Abbeyside?

Your observations would be welcome. Thanks.

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They are in date order below:
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Yes Id say so.

I actually have eight SOARs from Abbeyside.....two from 2015 (Wildlife), two from 2016 (Easter), one from 2017 (christmas) and three from 2018 (Treasures). The only post office currently active in Waterford that I dont have is Rinn/Ring in the small Gaeltacht area.

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Whereabouts is that post office John ? UPDATE: Found it.

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As you can see, it is a bit remote.

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Hi John,
Have a look at this and contact me privately........ :)

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A new PSC (postal service centre) or kiosk has been installed in the GPO Dublin but is currently not in working order.
Cork head office also has a new kiosk. Unable to confirm that it is in working order.

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Two SOARs with unknown Post Office code of 0866. Any suggestions? Thanks.
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It is City West, Dublin.

I had quite a lot of 0866 (and a few others) and I never knew where it was. About two years ago, I used the An Post "Store Locator" app which gave me about eight post offices which were unlisted.

Three of these were in the city of Dublin. City West, Ballyowen and Lorcan Avenue.

It was simply a matter of visiting the three. City West was the easiest and therefore the first that I went to. It is located inside the Fortunestown Shopping Centre, which is a LUAS stop on the line to Saggart. So when I got to City West, I got two or three SOARs and when I got home took 0866 off my list of "unknowns".

As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, 0560,0660, 0760 and 0860 are mysteries.

The only ones that I can think of that are still "unknown" are Ballon in County Carlow and KIlworth in County Cork which have opened or re-opened in the last year or so.

Not totally sure about Vernon Avenue in Dublin. It opened last year and it is possible that it is using the old "Clontarf" number or the old "St Gabriels" number.

This sometimes happens, eg Johnstown, County Meath was one I thought of as "new" but it uses the old Balrath number. And Bryanstown in Drogheda uses the old Dublin Road number.

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Thanks John. I had looked at the list of P.O.s on the N.I. Philatelic Society website and it wasn't listed there.

Any ideas on this one?
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Its a tricky one.

It would be 14 digits but the first two are not showing. The first "1" is not actually a "1" if that makes sense. It does not compare with the final "1" (the penultimate digit). Too many variables and the postmark is too vague.

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John1952 wrote:
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Not totally sure about Vernon Avenue in Dublin. It opened last year and it is possible that it is using the old "Clontarf" number or the old "St Gabriels" number.
Gabriel's Road PO closed. Vernon Ave PO situated inside Nolan's Supermarket complex Groff is 3244, same as Gabriel's Road.

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Erinmania wrote:
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John1952 wrote:
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Not totally sure about Vernon Avenue in Dublin. It opened last year and it is possible that it is using the old "Clontarf" number or the old "St Gabriels" number.
Gabriel's Road PO closed. Vernon Ave PO situated inside Nolan's Supermarket complex Groff is 3244, same as Gabriel's Road.
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It is Newtown....which is at Ardkeen Shopping Centre in Waterford.

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Glad you liked it!

A list of P.O.s is here:
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Hi, John1952.

Any idea what post offices issued these?
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I know 3002 is Upper Erne St., Dublin 2, but the others?
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And it looks like 13 digit numbers could be found in 2016 as well.
This SOAR could be
1738 - Firhouse, Tallaght, Dublin, or
2738 - Mullagh, Kells, Co. Meath, or
5738 - Kilcummin, Killarney, Co. Kerry.
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Sorry! Now that I look at the scan, I can see it is 1738. Looking at the stamp, I could not see that. The 1 is under the phosphor band, which makes it almost impossible to see with the naked eye. Mystery solved.
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3634 Custom House PO Waterford
6800 Naas
Can't help 3815

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I definitely need glasses! I thought it was 3834 and not 3634.
Where did you get 6800 from? Is there another list I'm not aware of?
3815 will have to remain a mystery for the present.

An unusual combination, I would have thought - 3634 and 3002 on the same envelope. 123 days between being issued also.

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See Murglepop post of 17th October 2020 for some confirmation codes

Yes strange date span but stamps make up inland postal rate which illustrates earlier posts where low values are purchased to make up postal rates or a higher value purchased to use up a low value.

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6800 is actually a Post & Pay facility at Monread Tescos. It is outside Naas town.

3815...there is actually a series that begins 38 and I have a few of them. Never could find out what they were. In late September we were driving thru County Mayo, where I visited a lot of post offices.

Just outside Castlebar, my wife spotted a "An Post" sign and we went into an industrial area. I said that Id not get a stamp there but my wife said I should ask.

There was one guy in a reception area and he sold me €1 SOAR. He was surprised at my request. The grof was 3805. On maps this is listed as a delivery (sic) unit. So I assume that the 38 series is delivery units which seems primarily for parcels. Hence the surprise at my request for a single €1 stamp.

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Any idea what Post Office has code 0250?
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Some SOAR's in my collection
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"0250" is an odd one.

It appears on Philatelic Bureau labels but they are usually only numbered in strips of two or four ...sometimes just 1 and 2 for Christmas or 1-4, 1-8, 1-12, 1-16 for new issues. So in my collection, I refer to 0250 as the Philatelic Section.

Maybe 10% of all kiloware I get has 0250 and I no longer bother putting them in albums. I dont think they are related to any specific post office. More likely a general "HQ" grof. Maybe for emergency use.

Or short answer.....I dont know.

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0727 is Borris in Ossory in County Carlow.

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0727 = Borris-In-Ossory, Portlaoiose, Co. Laois.

Hard to make out the other code. :geek:
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0727 = Borris-In-Ossory, Portlaoiose, Co. Laois.

Hard to make out the other code. :geek:
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John1952 wrote:
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0727 is Borris in Ossory in County Carlow.
There is a Borris in Co. Carlow, but Borris-in-Ossory is in Laois.

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Kennethsequeira wrote:
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RevRed+ wrote:
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0727 = Borris-In-Ossory, Portlaoiose, Co. Laois.

Hard to make out the other code. :geek:
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my mistake.........County Laois (I always get them confused).

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"0250" is an odd one.

It appears on Philatelic Bureau labels but they are usually only numbered in strips of two or four ...sometimes just 1 and 2 for Christmas or 1-4, 1-8, 1-12, 1-16 for new issues. So in my collection, I refer to 0250 as the Philatelic Section.

Maybe 10% of all kiloware I get has 0250 and I no longer bother putting them in albums. I dont think they are related to any specific post office. More likely a general "HQ" grof. Maybe for emergency use.

Or short answer.....I dont know.
John, I think you are on the right track.

The Philatelic Bureau has 3 "back of house" machines where you can buy denominations of your choice. They are not available for the general public to use.
Numbers used for the 3 machines begin with 025001,025002 and 025003 and therefore have an extra 0 after 0250.

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I wonder if 0560, 0660, 0760 and 0860 are similar.

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Erinmania wrote:
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John1952 wrote:
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"0250" is an odd one.

It appears on Philatelic Bureau labels but they are usually only numbered in strips of two or four ...sometimes just 1 and 2 for Christmas or 1-4, 1-8, 1-12, 1-16 for new issues. So in my collection, I refer to 0250 as the Philatelic Section.

Maybe 10% of all kiloware I get has 0250 and I no longer bother putting them in albums. I dont think they are related to any specific post office. More likely a general "HQ" grof. Maybe for emergency use.

Or short answer.....I dont know.
John, I think you are on the right track.

The Philatelic Bureau has 3 "back of house" machines where you can buy denominations of your choice. They are not available for the general public to use.
Numbers used for the 3 machines begin with 025001,025002 and 025003 and therefore have an extra 0 after 0250.
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But the one I've shown above does not seem to have an extra 0 as you suggest?
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Any idea what Post Office has code 0250?
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The code for the Philatelic Bureau is 0250. You will see from posts at the beginning of this thread on page 1, that the strips of 4 sold by the bureau all start with 02501 .

The "back of house" machines allow for the printing of continuous strips (i.e. greater than 4) at a fixed value. There are 3 machines where each different machine begins with 025001 or 025002 or 025003. Your stamp pictured has the first part of the code as 025002 which has the additional zero after 0250.

I hope that explains it more clearly.

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Thanks Erinmania!

I was thinking of 0250 followed by 001/002/003. I'm with you now, I think.

I'm still somewhat unclear as to the purpose of the machines. Who would they have been printing stamps for? A philatelic customer, ordering online?
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Thanks Erinmania!

I was thinking of 0250 followed by 001/002/003. I'm with you now, I think.

I'm still somewhat unclear as to the purpose of the machines. Who would they have been printing stamps for? A philatelic customer, ordering online?
Their codes are not 0250001 etc but 025001.

The original intention of the machines was to facilitate the supply of bulk business orders and not for purchases over the philatelic counter by individuals. Like all things Irish if you know who to ask at the right time strips of say 10 or 16 of a value could be bought over the counter and from time to time strips were put on sale at the counter for direct purchase.. As far as I am aware strips from the "back of house" machines could not be purchased by request online.

It may be the case that large businesses such as Intel, eBay etc who have their own mailing rooms have their own allocation of Groff codes which are not made public. That is speculation on my part.

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Does anyone know where PO No. 1702 is? If it is 1702 - the seven is damaged.
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Ah! I've only noticed the postmark now, when scanned. It is Biorra = Birr, which is PO No. 0702. So, the first two digits are damaged.
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Thanks Erinmania!

I'm still somewhat unclear as to the purpose of the machines. Who would they have been printing stamps for? A philatelic customer, ordering online?
Hi all,

It seems the machines at the philatelic counter were not evenly used, from the database of my SOAR collection (now 4300 examples detailed):

Machine 01 (starting 025001) seems to have been installed in 2013 and has averaged around 1000 SOAR per day up to my last example which is from way back in March 2016. I have only 2 examples from this machine.

Machine 02 (starting 025002) seems to have been installed in 2013 (I have sequence 02500200022929 from 22nd January 2014) and has averaged around 1000 SOAR per day up to my last example datecoded 19291.

Machine 03 (starting 025003) may also have been installed in 2013, but my first example is mid-2015 by which time the machine had issued 470000 SOARs. Since then it seems to have averaged around 2000 SOAR per day, double the rate of the other machines. Interestingly I have copies of these with equal numbers of Dublin Mails Centre and Athlone Mails Centre postmarks, lending credence to the bulk issue for businesses theory.
Maybe that is why 37 of my 47 SOARs form office 0250 are from machine 03!

Note: None of the stamps I have from 0250 have any of the Standard, Registered or Express Post texts.

Hope this helps,

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2012 SOARs with 13 digits.

.... is that conclusive enough to decide that they were all issued in Abbeyside?

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Hi RevRed,

I agree with John, they all appear to be Abbeyside.
The serial numbers fit with those I have too.

Note that the Hawk Moth from counter 2 is not a 13 digit, but a 12 digit due to its low sequence number

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Apologies if this is a little off topic, but I wouldn't know where to ask the question other than in this SOAR group, where the knowledge on Irish pre-paid is.....

A colleague at work received a A4 size letter from Ireland with only this label attached. From a quick translation it is a postage paid label from Athlone, but how/when are these used, and why not a SOAR?
IE Athlone Postage Paid sticker (close).jpg


Thanks for any information,

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I am guessing here but might not be a coincidence that Athlone is one of just three or four mail sorting centres like maybe Dublin, Cork and Portlaoise (not sure if they are still open)

So my first thought it originated in the Mail Sorting Centre rather than a post office . Could it have been opened and re-packed?

Not seen this before so its just a guess.

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Murglebop wrote:
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RevRed+ wrote:
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2012 SOARs with 13 digits.

.... is that conclusive enough to decide that they were all issued in Abbeyside?

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Hi RevRed,

I agree with John, they all appear to be Abbeyside.
The serial numbers fit with those I have too.

Note that the Hawk Moth from counter 2 is not a 13 digit, but a 12 digit due to its low sequence number

David

Thanks David. I hadn't noticed the Counter 2. All fascinating! I'm enjoying collecting these SOARs. Only problem is how to display them.
Before I realised that each issuing PO could be identified, it seemed clear to display by issue and date. Now, displaying by PO seems better and then by date/issue. Although, late usage rather mucks that up.

And two SOARs on piece! Here's one with different years and different POs. :o
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The two dates and two offices is something that happens quite a lot.

In this case the 70c stamp was bought at Seamus Quirke Road in Galway and the 2c stamp at Moycullen in Countu Galway which is only about 10 kilometres away. The postal rate went up from 70c to 72c so those combinations resulting from peopl having to top up.

I always carry SOARS or commemoratives in various denominations exactly for this reason.

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Murglebop wrote:
21 Dec 2020 21:33
Apologies if this is a little off topic, but I wouldn't know where to ask the question other than in this SOAR group, where the knowledge on Irish pre-paid is.....

A colleague at work received a A4 size letter from Ireland with only this label attached. From a quick translation it is a postage paid label from Athlone, but how/when are these used, and why not a SOAR?
Image

Thanks for any information,

David
I have not seen this either but may have something to do with An Post's Ceadúnas service. It is a service which is pre-paid and does away with postage stamps or franking all together for very large business users posting 2000 letters ,500 large letters or 100 packets or more at any one time. The service is available from the three main mail centres and 39 mail acceptance offices. Again speculation on my part.

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