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honza wrote:
19 Apr 2021 17:58
OldDuffer1 wrote:
14 Apr 2021 03:01
I wonder if it was some kind of prepaid envelope used by businesses- so didn't need the "Gebühr Bezahlt" marks?
Ahoh OD1,

It seems to have been sent from a Philatelic Bureau 'Versandstelle fuer Sammlermarken', so sent free on Post Office business perhaps. I am surprised such a body existed so early before the Bundesrepublik was established.

Anyone know what PSCHA might be?

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Perhaps the Post Office was already selling issues direct to collectors?- although I have not seen any previous evidence of this.

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Old Duffer1,
Thanks for all your information, including the Austria censor mails.
Couple more covers to show.
First one mailed Duingen(LowerSaxony) to Lubeck 2.3.46. (Front only)
Block of eight 6pf A.M. (German printing) used to pay long distance rate to 50g, 2nd March being the second day of the new rate. Cancelled with a Bahnpost Hannover-Kassel ZUG787 cancel.
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Printed matter card rated at 6pf mailed Berlin SW11 to Augsburg 14.1.48. All images of the Third Reich had to be removed from postal items by order of the Allies.Here the meter mark has been altered to remove the offending images. A 1944 meter mark, of the same design, is shown as comparison.
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Yes, always nice to see the Bahnpost cancels- I am sure some people must collect them- especially if also interested in railways!

Amazing that they were still using these cancellers at this date- these types of covers seem to generally attract a premium.

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Wow, there have been some amazing covers in my absence - those 480pf = 48pf with so many stamps!

Coming back down to earth I have found a couple of 30pf franked postcards from Göttingen to London in 1948.

a. 24pf & 3 x 2pf industry stamps sent 26.4.1948
b. 3 x 10pf numeral stamps sent 9.5.1948

Göttingen to London 1948 30pf in Industry stamps.  [S0430]
Göttingen to London 1948 30pf in Industry stamps. [S0430]

Göttingen to London 1948 30pf in numeral stamps.  [S0431]
Göttingen to London 1948 30pf in numeral stamps. [S0431]

They are from someone at the University of Götitngen, probably a student. The second one remarks on a week's holiday for Whitsun and the arrival of two students from Oxford.

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This Saxony Province Registered cover looks, at first sight, as if correctly rated at 84Pf following the March 1946 rate increases. However, the date is from before the increases so is significantly overpaid and probably "philatelic". (How did they know what the new rate would be? :) )

Date: 22.01.46
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SBZ Mi78,81,82,83
Cat.Not very much!

Still, quite a pretty cover and not expensive!

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Quite interesting that the above cover is shown to have arrived at its destination in the Soviet Zone after one day. (Fairly normal for Registered covers of the period).

However, the previously shown ones, where the destinations were in the Western Zones, took considerably longer:
11 days in both cases. Although there is no signs of them having been opened for censorship it certainly suggests that they may have passed through the censor's hands. ("Open" censorship i.e. with a Censor Mark- apart from local- did not start in the Soviet Zone until April 1947)

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Some recent covers I’ve acquired.
First, cover to England mailed 23.4.46 shortly after foreign postings were allowed.
Censored by U.S. military censor 13745 and taped.
Mixture of A.M. and trizone numerical stamps used slightly overpaying the 75pf rate.
The 42pf stamp is relatively scarce used on cover.
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Next is another example of card posted 27.3.46 at 6pf rate showing the old Deutches Reich canceller which has been revised.
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Lastly, shown for interest as it is unrated and sent through the mail On His Majesty’s Service (F.O.C.). Card from the War Crimes Group, N.W. Europe 5.11.1947
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A couple more "filling the gaps". Printed Matter covers from West Saxony and Saxony Province.

Date: 21.02.46
West Sax Pr Mat cover.jpg
SBZ Mi126
Cat.20

Date: 17.10.45
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SBZ Mi67
Cat.40

Of course, as with many collections- some "gaps" may never be filled!

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Yes, the 42Pf Mi930 was issued on 11th Feb. 1946 so found some use to meet the Registered Regional Letter rate. These covers are very scarce! Another use was as a pair after the rate increases but most interestingly before the issue of the 84Pf Mi936 on April 10th. I showed an example of this earlier in the thread.

Date: 25.03.46
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TRIZONE Mi930
Cat.120

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A number of issues were produced to mark the Leipzig Fairs- both Spring and Autumn. These were first issued in the Trizone, then by the Soviet Zone and finally there was an issue from the DDR- seven issues in all!

Many of the covers bearing them are obviously philatelic- often overpaid and with "fancy" cancels. "Ordinary" use can be difficult to find.

Here is a postcard bearing the 12Pf Trizone stamp, issued 2nd Sep.1947, which, although probably from a stamp dealer, was used to convey a message!

Date: 02.12.47
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TRIZONE Mi965
Cat.18

Reverse:
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The situation was quite different for the accompanying 75Pf (Mi966). Since the Foreign Letter rate dropped to 50Pf on Sep.15th '47 this is very scarce as a "single franking" (Cat.250).

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Old Duffer1,
Great covers as usual, so much to learn.
Dug out a couple of covers with the Leipziger Messe 1947 issue which are obviously philatelic. Both mailed Leipzig and rated at the registered rate of 84pf with mixed frankings.
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Of course it is often difficult to judge what should be considered "philatelic" if rated correctly. The fact that the addressee is the same in both cases does, however, give a bit of a clue!

I recently obtained a registered cover which looked perfectly "ordinary" but on inspection I could see that it hadn't been opened (i.e. no contents). This probably made it "philatelic". However, if I subsequently opened it ....!

The same with postcards- if no message on the back......

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Old Duffer1,
Thanks for your quick response.
Can I ask a question regarding this cover mailed Frankfurt 11.9.47.and again obviously philatelic.
Mixed franking with stamps all having tabs in situ. The 6pf has got the HAN number 4036.
Does this attract a high premium with the HAN number?
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Yes, the Han number is difficult- catalogues give a big premium for "on cover" but is this only if it has been done "by accident" and not deliberately, as probably here? (I have a similar cover shown earlier in the thread). As with any cover it is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it!

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Just purchased at a Auction:
Dillenburg, Germany, 14 July 1948 via Aleppo and the Syra-Iraqi Desert to Baghdad / Iraq. The recipient of the cover was apparently unknown, hence the over was returned to Germany. Numerous transit markings on reverse...
A nice addition to my Overland Mail exhibit. it may be noteworthy to study why the cover was returned, it was falling already in the period of the time when Iraqi Jews left Iraq due to the climbing tensions caused by the planned formation of the State of Israel (former Palestine), maybe the recipient was one of such persons?

Will check with http://www.thescribe.info/ if the recipient is known to them.

Can someone explain me the postage rate of 40 Pfennig?
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A nice collection of back-stamps, 22028!

Added tactfully- I think you will find that the stamps add up to 50Pf- the correct rate at the time for a surface Foreign Letter.

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Thanks, i also noted my calculation error..., thanks for the information...
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A couple of French Zone items- the Printed Matter rate dropped from 6Pf to 4Pf in the French Zone on Oct. 4th 1948. The 4Pf stamps were not issued until Nov. '48; no 4Pf had been included in the post currency reform sets.

Date: 15.01.49
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BADEN Mi29
Cat.7

Date: 10.12.48
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WÜRTTEMBERG Mi29
Cat.10


Strangely the Briefe Katalog gives a much higher rating for the 5PF on overpaid Printed Matter covers, even though this stamp was apparently issued at the same time! It could be, however, that the known dates of issue have been altered between the older Briefe Katalog ('94/'95) and my newer Specialized (2009).

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Speaking of overpaid Printed Matter covers, this one from Thuringia would appear, at first sight, to be such (since the rate was 3Pf).

Date: 22.12.45
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SBZ Mi94 with American Zone Censor Mark
Cat.>80? (Due to usage)

However, the 3Pf (and 4Pf) stamps in this series were not issued until Jan. 4th 1946, and are therefore both very scarce "single franking" on cover. The 5Pf could, of course, also be used on a Local Postcard.

It also bears what may be a proofing mark at the bottom right, but this is quite difficult to make out.
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Today's entry: a Registered Regional Letter from the Thuringia Region.

Date: 06.12.45
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SBZ Mi94,97,98A
Cat.30

Reverse:
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As you can see it is quite damaged- it has obviously been "hole punched" for storage in the past, (have not been able to discover who was doing this- dealers or collectors?), and has probably been torn off and subsequently "tidied up"! Anyway the price reflected this.

Some of the previously shown Registered covers from the Soviet Zone Regions bore a 30Pf and 12Pf, being the "simplest" combination to achieve the required 42Pf rate. In this case, however, the 30Pf (Mi99) was not issued until Dec.22nd 1945. Another possible combination would obviously be 3x12Pf plus a 6Pf. This one seems more interesting, however!

Although addressed to Blankenburg the back-stamps show that it was sent on to Berlin, presumably to find the addressee.

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Just to make up the set here is a 4Pf Printed Matter cover from the Rheinland-Pfalz Region:

Date: 14.04.49
RH Pf PM 4Pf.jpg
Rheinland-Pfalz Mi33
Cat.9

The rock shown is, apparently, the "Devil's Table" (Teufelstisch) near Kaltenbach.
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Although another 6Pf was issued with these second sets they are very scarce with "single franking" since the rate had dropped to 4Pf by the dates of issue.

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Old Duffer1,
Nice French Zone covers.

I can’t see how they got the 81pf rate on this cover, sent registered Neustadt 17.5.48 to England with a mixed franking of Rheinland-Pfalz and Zone Francaise issue stamps. It looks commercial not philatelic to me. Undeliverable and returned to sender.
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Will add this philatelic cover for interest, mailed Furtwangen 15.6.48 with all the 1947 Baden issues to Durham N C , U.S.A.
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Another cover which may be of interest, this one is from the Commander in Chief French Government of Occupied Germany. Mailed Baden-Baden 28.8.46 and endorsed with “ Gebuhr entrei” ( fee made) .

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Yes, your first cover should have rated at 110Pf! Are you sure there aren't stamps on the back? (Not uncommon during this period!)

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Thanks for your very quick reply.
Definitely no stamps on reverse of cover. It will have to remain a philatelic mystery.
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60366 wrote:
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ImageAnother cover which may be of interest, this one is from the Commander in Chief French Government of Occupied Germany. Mailed Baden-Baden 28.8.46 and endorsed with “ Gebuhr entrei” ( fee made) .
Ahoj there!

The endorsement reads 'Gebühren frei'.

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Honda,
Thanks for the clarification.
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Honda,
Thanks for the clarification.
Regards.
I think it is honza. Autocorrect? :lol:

As far as the French Military cover is concerned this would indicate that no postage was required. They also often used the French Military stamps. See: "Question about French Military stamp on German PC"
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for more on these. Their Headquarters was in Baden-Baden.

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Continuing the theme of French Zone Printed Matter items, there was a period after the Currency Reform issues of June 1948 and before the rate drops on October 4th when the rate remained at 6Pf. This gives another 3 possible examples.

Here is one from the Baden Region:

Date: Unclear
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Baden Mi15
Cat.10

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Another aspect of the French Regional Zone issues was that, oddly, the original 1947 ones did not include a 6Pf for the Printed Matter rate, in spite of this having been the rate since March 1946. This necessitated the use of other combinations of stamps, usually 2x3Pf. Here is an example from the Rheinland-Pfalz Region:

Date: 12.02.48
Rh Pf PM 2x3Pf.jpg
Rheinland-Pfalz Mi2
Cat.15

The French Zone General Issue was still valid, but this also didn't include a 6Pf.

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Another oddity of the Regional French Zone Printed Matter rates is that, following the rate drops of Oct.4th 1948, the 4Pf (and new 2Pf) stamps were not issued until "November 1948" (Unfortunately Michel does not give an actual date). This means that there was a short period when the rate had to be made up with other stamps. Since the actual date of issue is unclear then only those covers dated October '48 would definitely fall into this category. Theoretically these should be scarce but this was not reflected in the cost of this example! (Although not marked "Drucksache" assume it is from the rate)

Date:?10/48
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Baden Mi14
Cat.>12? (Due to date)

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Continuing this theme, here is the Rheinland-Pfalz 6Pf on a Printed Matter cover.

Date: 18.09.48
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Rheinland-Pfalz Mi17
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Following on from the French Zone theme.

Cover mailed Breisgau (Freiburg) 9.2.48 to Basel, Switzerland.
Rated at 49pf ? with 15, 20 and 24pf Baden Zone stamps.
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Suggesting tactfully- it seems to add up to 59Pf so overpaid on 50Pf Foreign Letter rate.

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Cover mailed Sinzheim (Baden) 7.1.48 to Saarburg. Unusual in that it is endorsed with both Gebuhr Bezahlt and Taxe Paye markings.
Original correspondence still in envelope.
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Cover mailed Sinzheim (Baden) 7.1.48 to Saarburg. Unusual in that it is endorsed with both Gebuhr Bezahlt and Taxe Paye markings.
Original correspondence still in envelope.Image
Perhaps because in the French Zone?

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Your right with my addition on cover Baden to Switzerland, back to school for me!

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As mentioned previously, the French Zone General Issue of 1945 also did not include a 6Pf needed from March '46 for the Printed Matter Rate. The most common combination to make this up was 2x3Pf but a 5PF and 1Pf is slightly more interesting!

Date: 13.08.46
FR Z PM CARD.jpg
French Zone Mi1,3
Cat.7

Note that 2x3Pf (Mi2) catalogues at 5 but a "single franking" at 160(DM)!

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Re: Allied Occupied Germany Postal Rates 1945/1949-Illustrated

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Continuing the French Zone Printed Matter theme here is a 2x3Pf from the Württemberg Region.

Date: 29.03?48
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Württemberg Mi2
Cat.18

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Looking at the rate changes from March 1st 1946 through to the changes in 1948, the Business Mail rate seems to be an anomaly. It appears as a allowance of a higher weight limit from the Local Letter one, (1st Weight step:100g as opposed to 20g), both before 1st March 1946 (when the rate was 8Pf) and after when the rate increased to 16Pf.

However, at the Sep.1st 1948 (and later for Berlin and the French Zone) changes, while most rates decreased this rate increased to 20Pf, being the same as the new Regional Letter rate. It seems that the earlier rate applied only to Local letters, (most local letters probably being business mail, in any case), whilst after the 1948 changes this was extended to Regional items. This means that after the latter changes Business mail becomes pretty much indistinguishable from other Regional Letters (unless marked "Geschäftlich" etc.).

Here is an example of a cover from the French Zone, from the period after the currency changes but before the rate changes of Oct.4th 1948:

Date: 26?08.48
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Rheinland-Pfalz Mi22
Cat.35

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Re: Allied Occupied Germany Postal Rates 1945/1949-Illustrated

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Hope you don’t me backtracking a bit but have a few more zehnfacher(stamps to ten times rate allowed during currency reform) covers to show.

First , postcard mailed Melenbach (Soviet Zone) 13.7.48 to Berlin. Stamps to 120pf applied to obtain the 12pf long distance card rate.
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Window envelope cover mailed Berlin N . Stamps to 240pf applied for 24pf long distance rate. Although company name on reverse is Berlin-Borsigwalde(Allied Zone) it was mailed 30.6.48 which is outside the Allied time frame (21.6.48 - 23.6.48) for zehnfacher allowance but is within the Soviet Zone zehnfacher time frame allowance (24.6.48 to 31.7.48). So presume this company based in the Allied Zone mailed the cover in the Soviet Zone.
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Cover mail Stuttgart 23.6.48 to Wendlingen. Although officially Allied zehnfacher regulations applied only 21.6.48 - 22.6.48 it was tolerated on the 23.6.48 so therefore presume this cover was allowed if mailed by first post. Stamps applied to 240pf to obtain the 24pf long distance rate.
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Two covers both mailed from same sender in Niederpoyritz (Dresden, Soviet Zone) ,both mailed 29.6.48 to Berlin-Nikolassee. Within the Soviet zehnfacher time frame allowance (24.6.48 - 31.7.48). Both had stamps to 240pf applied to achieve the 24pf long distance rate.
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The "10-Fach" concession lasted, in fact, for the same period for West Berlin as for the Soviet Zone so that your Berlin cover was completely valid. This difference in policies between the zones did seem to lead to confusion in some cases, however!

Here is a cover from the Soviet to British Zones which appears to have initially been marked as "postage due" (“Nachgebühr”) but this seems to have been deleted when they presumably realised it was perfectly valid when sent from the Soviet Zone.

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This was in spite of one of the stamps- a Regional Issue one from Mecklenburg- was wildly out of its validity period!

Here is a 10-Fach cover posted in West Berlin (dated 26.06.48) which was considered valid:

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Although there don't seem to be enough stamps to make up the rate this is because there are more on the back!

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Here is one dated 23.06.48 which was not "tolerated"!

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although it was finally returned to sender.

For more on these covers see: https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=51189&start=50

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Speaking of overpaid Printed Matter covers, this one from Thuringia would appear, at first sight, to be such (since the rate was 3Pf).

Date: 22.12.45
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SBZ Mi94 with American Zone Censor Mark
Cat.>80? (Due to usage)

However, the 3Pf (and 4Pf) stamps in this series were not issued until Jan. 4th 1946, and are therefore both very scarce "single franking" on cover. The 5Pf could, of course, also be used on a Local Postcard.
Here is an example of the 3Pf used on a Printed Matter cover- currently on sale on Delcampe for around 40Euros. Apart from being beyond my price range there seems to be something missing, with the partial cancellation. This always makes me uneasy about a cover. Any thoughts?

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SBZ Mi92
Cat.270

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Looking again at the Rheinland-Pfalz Business Mail cover I showed previously:

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it appears not to be a Local Letter (from Mainz to Bad Kreuznach). Perhaps my interpretation of this rate as only applying to local letters was incorrect? More research needed!

Although on the other hand there is only 33km between the towns. Not sure when the Regional Rate kicked in!

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Looking at another aspect of French Zone General Issue covers, Registered examples seen are often plastered with many stamps, and obviously philatelic.

Here are a couple of examples which seem to be "normal" usage ones, one from before the 1946 rate increases and one from after.

Date:15?01.46
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French Zone Mi6,12
Cat.7

Date: 05.03.46
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French Zone Mi8,9
Cat.7

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Here is quite an unusual rate from the French Zone: Foreign Registered. From after the rate drops the rate is 30+40Pf.

Date: 03.02.49
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Baden Mi25,30
Cat.20

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