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Continuing with the Postal Stationery theme, the 5Pf versions, (Local Postcard Rate), for most of the Regions are scarce used and for several of them none was indeed produced, apart from the Berlin and Brandenburg examples, where they seem to be roughly equally seen. This is not really surprising given the size and population of Berlin. Here are examples of both types:

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Berlin and Brandenburg 5Pf Postal Stationery Postcard

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Berlin and Brandenburg 6Pf Postal Stationery Postcard

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Here is the East Saxony (Ost Sachsen) version. They do not seem to have produced a 5Pf card.

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East Saxony 6Pf Postal Stationery Postcard

These appear to be somewhat scarcer than those from the other Regions.

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Here is the Saxony Province (Provinz Sachsen) version:

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Saxony Province 6Pf Postal Stationery Postcard

Looking more closely at this collecting area it appears that, apart from the Berlin and Brandenburg issues, only the Saxony Province and West Saxony Regions also produced a 5Pf version. As mentioned previously these are both scarce used (although easily obtained mint).

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The last of the 6Pf cards- from the Thuringia (Thüringen) Region:

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Thuringia 6Pf Postal Stationery Postcard

Interestingly the destination (Reinbek) is apparently written in Low Saxon as "Reinbeek". (It is a town in Schleswig-Holstein).

Collectors of postal stationery postcards will, of course, be aware of different versions of varying scarcity!

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This seems to be the right thread to get som info on these stamps.
I think Michel is vague at best.

Almost says 16 cold ones(16 kalla) in Swedish and makes me want to have a beer,
but of course I now that’s not right.

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Robustian wrote:
19 Sep 2021 00:47
This seems to be the right thread to get som info on these stamps.
I think Michel is vague at best.

Almost says 16 cold ones(16 kalla) in Swedish and makes me want to have a beer,
but of course I now that’s not right.


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These are examples of the District Hand Stamped issue ("Bezirkshandstempel") produced after the currency changes of June 1948. Here you have District 16 Kahla (town name). They look a little too regular so may be fakes. Could you show reverses?

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OldDuffer1 wrote:
19 Sep 2021 01:56
Robustian wrote:
19 Sep 2021 00:47
This seems to be the right thread to get som info on these stamps.
I think Michel is vague at best.

Almost says 16 cold ones(16 kalla) in Swedish and makes me want to have a beer,
but of course I now that’s not right.


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These are examples of the District Hand Stamped issue ("Bezirkshandstempel") produced after the currency changes of June 1948. Here you have District 16 Kahla (town name). They look a little too regular so may be fakes. Could you show reverses?
Here’s the reverse.

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After reading up in the thread I’m unsure as well.
Some kind of other mark on the 25pf


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There are two different genuine overprints for 16 Kahla, but sadly neither resemble your stamps, therefore I must conclude that these are forged overprints.

There are many fakes around and because the numeral stamps are more highly valued if genuine, they attract the fakers more than the workers stamps.

Keep looking, keep checking and hopefully you'll find plenty of genuine stamps.

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The problem is that, of course, these overprints were normally on the "Worker" series stamps. Those on the "Numbers" series are generally much scarcer (if genuine!). For instance the 6Pf (MiIcIII) catalogues at €380 MNH!

A good sign would be if the oily ink which was usually used bleeds through to the back. On the other hand the 25Pf (MiIoIII) has part of the next overprint showing- usually a good sign.

Not sure what the mark on the back is- doesn't look too much like a proofing mark- those more expert than myself may be able to comment?

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One of the first special cancellations of Provinz Saxony that you can find on real postally used covers. It has a fixed date, so it was often times used on blank covers. This example bears a 12Rpf Stamp, wich was the exact postage used for "Fernbriefe" in the first postage period, first weight class. It is expertiesed "Ströh BPP".
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MS-Sammler wrote:
19 Sep 2021 06:15
One of the first special cancellations of Provinz Saxony that you can find on real postally used covers. It has a fixed date, so it was often times used on blank covers. This example bears a 12Rpf Stamp, wich was the exact postage used for "Fernbriefe" in the first postage period, first weight class. It is expertiesed "Ströh BPP".

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Can you clarify the date on the cancel? According to Michel these stamps were not issued until Oct.10th 1945 but the Regional Letter Rate increased to 24Pf on 1st March 1946!

(By the way- what exactly does the description "Fernbriefe" actually mean?- have seen it used a number of times).

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OldDuffer1 wrote:
19 Sep 2021 22:34
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Can you clarify the date on the cancel? According to Michel these stamps were not issued until Oct.10th 1945 but the Regional Letter Rate increased to 24Pf on 1st March 1946!
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I read the date as "3.-9. Dez 45", ie. the dates of the "Culture Days", so fits within the period you quote. :idea:

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The Date is the 3-9 December 1945, where the normal postage was still 12Rpf for a Fernbrief, before it was doubbled to 24Rpf on 1. March 1946.

A "Fernbrief" is a Cover that is mailed in a different town than it was posted in. A Cover from Naumburg to Delzisch is a Fernbrief, a Cover from Naumburg to Naumburg is a "Ortsbrief". But be aware, that a Cover from e.g "Leopoldshall in Stassfurt" to "Stassfurt" is still a Ortsbrief. Leopoldshall was a municipality of Stassfurt before its Incorporation in 1946.

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Thanks, MS-Sammler, for the explanation- I have often seen these terms describing covers, which I would call Regional and Local Letters!

I wonder why it has been proofed?- is the cancel scarce as otherwise not a valuable item!

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OldDuffer1 wrote:
19 Sep 2021 03:41
The problem is that, of course, these overprints were normally on the "Worker" series stamps. Those on the "Numbers" series are generally much scarcer (if genuine!). For instance the 6Pf (MiIcIII) catalogues at €380 MNH!

A good sign would be if the oily ink which was usually used bleeds through to the back. On the other hand the 25Pf (MiIoIII) has part of the next overprint showing- usually a good sign.

Not sure what the mark on the back is- doesn't look too much like a proofing mark- those more expert than myself may be able to comment?

(See above!)
Thank you for your the info.
Might be an owner’s mark maybe.

Remembered that I have a macro lens for the camera so I took two new on the backside on 10 and 25pf for a clearer picture.

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Now we can see through the glue better.
And you can zoom in quite a bit.

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I'm afraid I can only refer you to the expertise of gavin-h above!

Of course, as well as fakes many were produced without authorisation by Postal workers- but if the overprint doesn't look right......

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Looked around a bit and found some different examples and i agree.
The ink bled through completely different on the ones I saw.

But that’s ok, 90% of the world collection is stamps that came with bigger lots i bought hunting Swedish coil stamps.

And 9 times of 10 I’ve made a profit selling the surplus and the ones I didn’t want.

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Robustian wrote:
20 Sep 2021 06:31
Looked around a bit and found some different examples and i agree.
The ink bled through completely different on the ones I saw.

But that’s ok, 90% of the world collection is stamps that came with bigger lots i bought hunting Swedish coil stamps.

And 9 times of 10 I’ve made a profit selling the surplus and the ones I didn’t want.
Put these on ebay "as seen" and you might do well! (Without being dishonest!)

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A couple of recent acquisitions.
Registered cover mailed Grabow (Mecklenburg) 30.6.1945 with 2x42pf and 3 x 1pf Hitler head stamps obliterated .
According to Michel Specialised catalogue Grabow is listed as a separate area where stamps were issued with the approval of the district administration and the Russians.
If totally genuine it would attract a high catalogue value.
The registered rate was 84pf so don’t know why the extra 3pf unless philatelic just to enhance.
No marks or endorsements on the rear of the cover.
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Cover mailed Heilgenstadt (Soviet Zone) to Zurich Switzerland using an economy label.
Rated at 275pf using 10 x 25pf “worker” plus another with the S.B.Z. Overprint. As this was during the Soviet Zehnfacher (10 times rate) period can’t see how they managed to achieve this rate?
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Nice covers, 60366! Can't say much about the Grabow "Blackouts", although they certainly have a high catalogue value. Presumably this was at the time when parts of Mecklenburg was still occupied by the Americans- later being handed over to the Soviets (and some terrible things sadly happened during this period- sometimes we tend to forget about the actual situations when collecting older material such as this!).

By my reckoning the second one seems OK- 10x25 at 1/10th value plus 25Pf giving 50Pf for a foreign letter.

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Old Duffer1’
Thanks once again for you expert knowledge.
May get the Grabow cover expertised ,but it looks reasonably genuine.
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Re. the Grabow one- of course at this date the rate for a Local Registered Letter was only 38Pf (1st Weight step) so looks like significantly overpaid.Michel suggests cover prices for "favour" cancels - seems likely this is one- still interesting! (Suggests regular mail covers catalogue at least €6000 - guess you didn't pay that much?)

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OldDuffer1 wrote:
27 Sep 2021 02:22
Re. the Grabow one- of course at this date the rate for a Local Registered Letter was only 38Pf (1st Weight step) so looks like significantly overpaid.Michel suggests cover prices for "favour" cancels - seems likely this is one- still interesting! (Suggests regular mail covers catalogue at least €6000 - guess you didn't pay that much?)
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Yes, if genuine it's either significantly overpaid or was significantly heavier than would appear.

If it's cancelled to favour, it's slightly unusual to find this on a comercially-addressed item ("Fa" = Firma = Firm/Company) which sets a slight alarm bell ringing for me.

My other suspicion is that, although marked Einschreiben (= Registered) there is no official registration label or marking to support this and, as 60366 states, no markings on the reverse of the cover.

Although everything else looks authentic (as far as one can tell from a scan), those two observations would lead me to put it on the "possible" pile rather than the "genuine" pile.

It might be worth, as suggested, getting this one expertised. If you do, I'd be very interested to know the outcome.

The Zehnfacher cover is absolutely fine - as previously pointed out, (10 x 25 / 10 = 25pfg) + 25pfg gives a perfectly correct 50pfg foreign rate to Switzerland.

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Not only Grabow, but all blackenings are a difficult area to collect. If I understand my Michel catalogue correctly, NO registerd letters could be send, only normal postcards and covers with a weight up to 100g! This would explain, why there is no Lable and no arrival postmark on the backside. Obviously this is a philatelic cover. I would get it expertised by MR. Hans-Ludwig Kramp from the BPP, and only the BPP. Maybe he will also tell you beforehand if it has a chance of beeing authentic. There is a whole book written about this topic, called "Die Schwärzungen von Grabow (Meckl)"

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Thank you Gavin H and M.S.Sammler for your responses.
I have a few misgivings about this cover and like you both say it’s advisable to get it expertised.
I bought it from a P.T.S. dealer so should not be a problem returning it if it was found to be suspect. Only paid what one normally would pay for a ordinary “Saxony Black”. It was either miss assumed be be a standard “Saxony Black” ,not a specific Grabow cancel ,or it is a suspect cover.
Anyway, when I receive the “juries verdict” on the cover I will advise.
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I think the suggestion is that nearly all the Grabow covers seen were "favour" cancelled and Michel has priced as such (still high values). This doesn't mean it is a fake- only philatelic as, let's face it, most of the "lokalausgaben" covers were!

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Drucksache from Leipzig to Kronach bearing both a "a" and "b" variant of the 3Rpf Stamp MiNr 126X. The sender is the famous dealer "Max Nickl". The Company still exists today, but under a different adress.The "b" colour is seen on the left hand. Expertised STRÖH BPP
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Yes, MS-Sammler, what an amazing difference! :) I am glad I don't have to distinguish between "b" and "c": "dark ochre-brown" and "dark brown-ochre"! (I suppose a Michel colour chart would help!)

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While on the Russians in Germany I couldn't resist this item, for a couple of reasons:

Date: 21.02.46
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Trizone Mi913, SBZ Mi92

Reverse:
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This relates to the FDGB:
"The Free German Trade Union Federation (German: Freier Deutsche Gewerkschaftsbund or FDGB), was the sole national trade union centre of the German Democratic Republic (GDR or East Germany) which existed from 1946 and 1990. As a mass organisation of the GDR, nominally representing all workers in the country, the FDGB was a constituent member of the National Front. The leaders of the FDGB were also senior members of the ruling Socialist Unity Party."
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Firstly an early use of the Thuringia stamp, issued Jan.4th, 1946, and the Trizone stamp, issued Feb.11th.
Secondly it appears to have been sent to a West Berlin address (Berlin-Lichtenrade) and finally just as a historical document of the time.

The legend on the back refers to the "Soviet Occupied German Territories"!

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OldDuffer1 wrote:
23 Jul 2018 20:04
Speaking of Mi41 this new evidence would explain why all the covers I have seen, bearing this stamp, are far too neat and pristine!

Real Soviet Zone covers should show some, or all, of the following characteristics:

Tatty from passing through post etc.
Stamp not on straight (or even upside down!)
Cancellation not centred/ and,or under-inked and unreadable
Shopping etc. list scribbled on back


Also if only valid for one day where are the “Nachgebühr” (Postage due) examples?

Here is a typical cover with the replacement 12Pf:

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EAST SAXONY Mi46
Here is my copy along with the cert on it.
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Here are a few covers I found on the interweb,
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The Michel catalog page for this issue, circa 2015/2016
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So, all these canceled stamps are favor canceled, but being the first day of issue, the collectors of Dresden had to know in advance when the new issue was to be released.

I wonder how many post offices in Dresden sold the stamps until they were told to stop? I remember the Scott catalog stating that 40,000 were sold to the public that day.

This being the first day of issue, the postal clerks took great care when canceling the stamps, making sure the cancels were neatly applied for those who requested these hand-back favor cancels.

But, there had to be some people who franked a cover to themselves or others and put them into the mail. Some of the existing covers have to be from this, but I see this batch of mail being handled much more carefully then normal. Since most of it was going to collectors.

The Michel catalog used listings are for CTO material because that is what is being sold. Whether or not it was canceled at the counter or in the back.
My surprise is the "Not Issued" at the beginning of the listing and the "Valid only on June 23,1945" at the end!

The key question that OldDuffer1 asks is: Also if only valid for one day where are the “Nachgebühr” (Postage due) examples?
I am sure some collectors who purchased alot must of tried in the days that followed to send mail with this stamp!

Now to get a nice MNH example to go next to my "Used" copy. :ugeek:

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I wonder how many post offices in Dresden sold the stamps until they were told to stop?

Not a single stamp. It was never issued, therefor it could not be sold in a post office. Only through the backdoor. All cancellations from "Dresden 16 / bb" are dated back, and not a single real cover has surfaced yet. The APS cert. is false.

I'd advice you to read Newsletter No 72 from the ARGE "DEUNOT" on that.

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Yes, this has been discussed at some length earlier in the thread. This stamp is now designated SBZ MiBIb - all the covers were fabricated later with the help of postal workers, apparently!

However, both the stamp and covers still fetch high prices! (There are, of course, also examples of fakes of the stamp and covers).

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MS-Sammler wrote:
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I wonder how many post offices in Dresden sold the stamps until they were told to stop?

Not a single stamp. It was never issued, therefor it could not be sold in a post office. Only through the backdoor. All cancellations from "Dresden 16 / bb" are dated back, and not a single real cover has surfaced yet. The APS cert. is false.

I'd advice you to read Newsletter No 72 from the ARGE "DEUNOT" on that.

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Do you mean that the APS cert is forged or wrong?

It says that it is a genuine stamp and a genuine cancellaton.

SO what it does NOT say, is that all such items are back-cancelled by favour.
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The cert. states is MiB1 so recognising was unissued- but genuine. Also presumably the cancel is considered genuine- albeit a back-dated "favour" type? Of course, you would be better with a German Certificate!

Plate error II would theoretically give a higher cat. value as well. The values shown seem similar to when previously considered issued!

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OldDuffer1 wrote:
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Of course, you would be better with a German Certificate!
And that, my friends, should be the final word on the subject. :idea: :idea: :idea:

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Now a piece from my own specialised collection.
Province Saxony:

Service letter on old reichsvordruck with denazified service-stamp of the tax office Halle to a bookshop, i.e. located in Halle. It is a correctly franked Ortsbrief.
In the german Reich, Service letters from public authority/agencies could be send on a contract with the postal administration, which allowed cheaper postage rates. This was interrupted on 8. May 1945.
Because Paper was scarce and expensive, they used what they had on hand.
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Re: The Russians in Germany Stamps 1945-49 (Soviet Zone)

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Don't quite understand, MS-Sammler, what makes you say it is "postage due" since is the correct stamp for local letter and no " “Nachgebühr”" hand-stamp or blue pencil amounts!

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Re: The Russians in Germany Stamps 1945-49 (Soviet Zone)

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Sorry. it is correctly franked with 8Rpf. Wrong word :lol:

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No problem, MS-Sammler. Can you tell us what the document is all about? I expect it is something fascinating! ;)

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If you think taxes are fascinating, you're right.
It's about with wat payment methode you pay taxes, that the date of the stamp counts as the date of payment, and how to dispute the taxes and the late payment penalty.

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Re: The Russians in Germany Stamps 1945-49 (Soviet Zone)

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I recently picked up this Mecklenburg-Vorpommern postcard which bears SBZ Mi9.

Date: 08.01.46
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SBZ Mi9

The question is- which version of Mi9 is it- Mi9a: "dark red-violet" issued 16 Nov.1945, Mi9b: "dark purple" issued on 7 Jan.1946 or 9c: "dark grey-violet" no date given?

This letter which uses two Mi9s to meet the Regional Letter rate shows that it is likely to be 9b or 9c since the ones on the letter are likely to be 9a, due to the date.

Date: 11.12.45
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SBZ Mi9a

Looking at examples on Delcampe it looks more like 9c, which attracts quite a higher catalogue value on cover (although the colour description seems to fit 9b better!).

Any thoughts?

(Both scanned at the same time for comparison)

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Here is a recently acquired cover where a pair of 9bs have been used to make up the 12Pf rate:

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SBZ Mi9b

This catalogues at 70DM for a pair on cover.

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Re: The Russians in Germany Stamps 1945-49 (Soviet Zone)

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OldDuffer1 wrote:
15 Oct 2021 23:55
Here is a recently acquired cover where a pair of 9bs have been used to make up the 12Pf rate:


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SBZ Mi9b

This catalogues at 70DM for a pair on cover.
I should have added that it is proofed Kramp:
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Re: The Russians in Germany Stamps 1945-49 (Soviet Zone)

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I have a few of these stamps..
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Yes, kelliegirl33, here you have firstly some from the Soviet Zone "Personalities" issue from late 1948.
From L to R 1st Row: SBZ Mi212,216,218 2nd Row: 219,225,226; 3rd Row: 220,222,223
They look as if they might be genuine used rather than cancelled reprints- which makes them of slightly more interest.

The next rows are the SBZ overprints on the Trizone "Worker" series, issued July 1948. These again I'm afraid are of no great value even for genuine used.

You have 4th Row: Mi192,193,194; 5th Row: A195,196.

Hope this helps!

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Thx so much...that really helps me quite a bit 😁

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Re: The Russians in Germany Stamps 1945-49 (Soviet Zone)

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Just sharing this Saxony obliteration cover seen on Ebay, an obliteration in the form of a star this time...
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Be like a postage stamp, stick to one thing until you get there.

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Re: The Russians in Germany Stamps 1945-49 (Soviet Zone)

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Anyone able to share their thoughts on this cover?
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Be like a postage stamp, stick to one thing until you get there.

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Re: The Russians in Germany Stamps 1945-49 (Soviet Zone)

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Your first cover -Michel does not seem to show this actual mark- they are many and various- other Members have much more expertise in this area!

Your second is a philatelic cover bearing nearly all the West Saxony "Peoples Solidarity" issue of semi-postals of 1946 (Mi138-149 with 148 missing (40+30Pf).

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Re: The Russians in Germany Stamps 1945-49 (Soviet Zone)

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OldDuffer1 wrote:
21 Oct 2021 02:38
Your first cover -Michel does not seem to show this actual mark- they are many and various- other Members have much more expertise in this area!
The Michel catalogue does not show every "fancy" obliterations of saxony, but all three types of obliterations (A,B a. C) are known of having been used in Crimmitschau.
The cover is obviously a philatelic "made" cover and over franked. (only 8Rpf are sufficent for Geschäftspapiere up to 20g). Philatelic covers are the norm anyhow.

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