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zagraham wrote:
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I think, in terms of The Machin Nut's site that you provided the link for, imperforate sides just describe edge stamps from booklets.

I'm very new in my own Machin collecting, so haven't done a ton of investigation of varieties yet. I'm glad you asked your question. :)
The Deegam reference system uses what is call the PIPI system to describe the straight edge Machins reading clockwise PIPI would be perforated, imperforate, perforated, imperforate.

Their individual value listings also indicate sheet and other stamps that are imperforate between indicating inadvertent omission of perforations.

You may find that investment in the Deegam disc a most useful friend in your interest in Machins - perhaps as a birthday or Christmas present from those who never know what to buy you. It can be a bit daunting as there is so much background information as well as individual stamp and pane listings and illustrations.
Ooo ... Thanks for that recommendation! (Just what I need: another obsession!)

I began collecting these stylish bits of colored paper when we lived in Cambridge for a short time, while my husband was on sabbatical. After I've sorted out my other long-neglected collections, I plan on making some sense of my Machins.
I have the same situation. Now with the sharing of duplicates on this Stampboards site there is a real question as to when will that be. I just received another group of them today with some new one I do not knowingly have. :mrgreen: :lol: :ugeek:

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I now have more information on Imperf/straight cut booklet pane's and stamps.
The title of this thread does not fit the subject of the information now here.
Before I add more can an admin person change the title to something more in keeping? or should I start a new thread and in which part of forum would be best if that is the case?

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I can't contact admin's directly and nothing said here so I will just carry on in this thread for moment.
Please let me know if you spot errors or additions
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Thanks Tom,

I've enjoyed following this thread.

Your last post seems particularly useful and is very clearly set out ). 8-)
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That is a great template. Is it a available for us? :?:

Thanks :D

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Agree - I really like the way you have laid this out.

It would be great if Stanley Gibbons incorporated a chart like this into their Concise.

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Agree - I really like the way you have laid this out.

It would be great if Stanley Gibbons incorporated a chart like this into their Concise.
There are a lot of things that Gibbons could enhance their Concise catalogue with. Perhaps we should have a thread like the one for the Australian catalogue.
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All Machin heads with a trimmed side are readily faked in seconds with scissors, and SG will of course never list them singly, or price them in Concise. Thank goodness. :lol:

Not even in GB Specialised as too random and obscure. Imperf BETWEEN yes of course, or fully imperf pairs.

We have FAR more specialised ACSC Cats here than UK does, and these are listed in PANES, or in issued sheet singles, perfed all sides. And no other format which is LOGICAL. :mrgreen:




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All Machin heads with a trimmed side are readily faked in seconds with scissors, and SG will of course never list them singly, or price them in Concise. Thank goodness. :lol:
If that is the only way they exist, then the straight edges are mentioned. In this series the Harrison and Walsall 1st class stamps are only straight-edged; the Questa printing is perf 4-sides.


SG Concise listing for 1989 Machin 1st& 2nd class definitives.
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All the information is already in the GB Concise catalogue, it's just a bit of detective work finding it which is why I made that comment. I admit it took me quite a while to figure it all out when I was looking at these a few years ago.

Here is the booklet entry from Gibbons Concise which has the pane containing the 1p, 5p and 13p imperf, as an example (interesting that the prices between the main listing and booklet section don't match!).


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Thought I'd share these few definitives with you guys.

Went up to my folks for some Sunday lunch, my dad was cleaning out my old wardrobe and he came across some of my old albums
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Ahoj Mutiny1857!

Those are well above average quality. All seem to be nice circular date stamps. Well done!

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Ahoj Mutiny1857!

Those are well above average quality. All seem to be nice circular date stamps. Well done!

Cheers,

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Thanks Honza,

Was one of those things that I forgot that I had, has rekindled a a need to look into getting the new set

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Dear Machin Gurus,

I’m revisiting my not very advanced Machin section and have a question for you regarding the 4p greenish-blue/new blue, photo not litho. The stamp in question is the one in the centre.

SG X933 4p Machin New Blue/Greenish Blue
SG X933 4p Machin New Blue/Greenish Blue

It is on phosphorised paper and Type I (broad 4 in the value, U127 in the specialised catalogue, from Reader’s Digest coils). As such it should be greenish-blue or pale greenish blue (top two stamps) but seems to me to be much closer in colour to new blue (U132, the bottom stamp). U132 is Type II, with a narrow 4 in the value.

So which is it? Just a very dark greenish-blue? Or is U132A (new blue) in the specialised a Type I?

Your collective help would be much appreciated.

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Ben;

The Machin in question is clearly from the ½p, 4p, 4p, 4p second Readers Digest coil, based on the low setting and Type 1 '4' with the broad 'foot', and the distinctly cut perforations at both the top and bottom edges.
Issued originally in December 1981, in 'deep blue'; it was reprinted in July 1984 in 'dull blue', and in both cases these were printed on flat, no-gloss PCP1 paper.
There is a possibility that it was printed on slightly glossy PCP2 paper, in which case, I would be pleased to take it off your hands.
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Dear Dave,

Super helpful answer, thank you! You have reminded me just how infinitely varied Machins are and why I never ventured too far into this fascinating field. I will have to do some more work......

As for whether it was printed on slightly glossy PCP2 paper I'm not one to judge, but I think not. I'm assuming this has some rarity value? Here's a photo, best I could do.

4p Machin deep blue 2nd Reader's Digest coil
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Nice photo, Ben! You've raised my curiosity level now.

The surest way to ascertain whether a (Machin) stamp is printed on PCP1 or PCP2 paper is to compare your item with one that is known for certain.

The later printing (1985) 7p in brick red, the 13½p red brown and the 20½p blue, each exist ONLY as PCP1.
Similarly, the 16p and 17p WITH "D" underprint on the gum side, exist ONLY as PCP2.
Take your item side by side with one of these items, (or any other sample that you are sure of), and hold them with the image, not the gummed side, at an angle towards the light. It should be apparent by the slight gloss (PCP2), or lack of gloss (PCP1), as to which paper type you have.

Don't let any of this stuff intimidate you; it's just another step in the growth of knowledge with respect to Machin collecting. I've been at it since 1974 and I learn something new all the time.

Keep at it... don't get frustrated, and you'll learn to like it!

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To be fair, as I understood it PCP1 and PCP2 are actually the same paper -- the difference in "shininess" is a secondary effect of perception, depending on the colour of the stamp ink and the Machin head type of the stamp. "Dull" and "glossy" are basically just the two extremes on the spectrum with no clear dividing line between them, so it's not surprising that you get stamps which seem ambiguous. :)

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The later printing (1985) 7p in brick red, the 13½p red brown and the 20½p blue, each exist ONLY as PCP1.
Similarly, the 16p and 17p WITH "D" underprint on the gum side, exist ONLY as PCP2.
Take your item side by side with one of these items, (or any other sample that you are sure of), and hold them with the image, not the gummed side, at an angle towards the light. It should be apparent by the slight gloss (PCP2), or lack of gloss (PCP1), as to which paper type you have.
Hello Dave,

I've taken your advice and tried this comparison. I have to say the stamp in question is closer to PCP1 than PCP2, although it's difficult to be sure. It's certainly challenging to take an adequate photo!

4p Machin PCP1/2 paper comparison
4p Machin PCP1/2 paper comparison

On my 4p the ink appears quite mottled, although not so much over the queen's head, so it does not compare as well with the 17p PCP2, which has an all over smoothness. In terms of overall glossiness it falls somewhere between the two, which may support mozzerb's observation in the previous post.

It was fun looking!

All best, Ben

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Hello everybody. While reading this thread I remembered this slightly aged FDC. Assuming, here, that the correct rate for a non-standard letter to Australia was 26p in mid-1972. Hence, an opportunity to use a stack of interesting stamps from the booklet. There are a few se-tenant ones on this cover as you can see. Cheers. Tod. :)


May 1972 Machin Booklet First Day Cover, to Australia.
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Hello everybody. While reading this thread I remembered this slightly aged FDC. Assuming, here, that the correct rate for a non-standard letter to Australia was 26p in mid-1972
Afraid not -- nearest Commonwealth surface letter rates were 20p for 1lb or 35p for 2lb, printed papers 25p for 2lb or 40p for 4lb. It's not marked for airmail, but Zone C airmail letters were 9p per ½oz (so 27p is the nearest) and Zone C printed papers 5p per ½oz (so 25p is the nearest). I think it's just somebody using a lot of stamps on a FDC. :)

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I think it's just somebody using a lot of stamps on a FDC. :)

Nope.

A totally bog-standard GB PO FDC.

Here is one below I offered here. Sold by the 10,000s with that 14 stamp franking.

What neither of you noticed is it is the ONLY way to get a decent used Sideband ½d Machin -- cat 20 quid or whatever EACH!


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Hello everybody. While reading this thread I remembered this slightly aged FDC. Assuming, here, that the correct rate for a non-standard letter to Australia was 26p in mid-1972. Hence, an opportunity to use a stack of interesting stamps from the booklet. There are a few se-tenant ones on this cover as you can see. Cheers. Tod. :)



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It's a first day cover some of the stamps from a The Story of Wedgwood prestige stamp book.

The six on the left is one pane which includes 3 x ½p with two phosphor bands and 2 x 2½p and one ½p with a single phosphor band at the left. The last is one of the more expensive early Machin stamps, because this is the only source and perforations are often trimmed on one or two sides. (I think these are missing from the foot of the stamp.)

The top strip is one of three in pane 2 (ie 12 stamps in total) containing 2½p with centre band (column 1) and right band (column 2) and a pair of 3p with 2 bands.

The final strip is again one of three strips (12 stamps in the pane) in which the ½p has 2 bands, the left column (I think) has one band at right, the third stamp has one band at left (ie both continuations of the bands on the ½p stamp) and the final stamp has a centre band.

It's a good source of fine used examples of these stamps (as long as you don't mind the FDI postmarks) but otherwise has no real value, certainly not the £20 suggested catalogue, because it is hand-written and has a bog-standard local FDI postmark. (It isn't "somebody using a lot of stamps on a FDC" as suggested, it's almost certainly as bought from the PO, if not the person servicing it has bought the book and blank FDC and done a good job of copying what the GPO did without paying their premium.)

I don't know where that value comes from because Gibbons doesn't provide a price in the Concise for any PSB FDCs, and the price in Collecting British First Day Covers is for a set of 4 with complete panes on, including the selvedge. Many at that time were done only with the stamps - and the example Glen shows is I believe a rare example of a Philatelic service from the GPO which actually split the panes in order to get examples of each stamp from each pane on the official FDC, the only time this has been done to my knowledge.

The price for the set of 4 with a bureau handstamp is £75 and the Burlaston is £110 (2010 prices, which won't have changed much).
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"A lot of stamps on a FDC" was just a throwaway comment about the sender using stamps from the booklet. Not sure if you could buy the envelopes pre-stamped in this case for posting in the local FD boxes at head offices (which is how Tod's cover was posted) -- usually they were sold unstamped for you to put the stamps on yourself. If anyone's got the appropriate issue of the Philatelic Bulletin handy, it might say.
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What neither of you noticed is it is the ONLY way to get a decent used Sideband ½d Machin -- cat 20 quid or whatever EACH!
That's not "decent used", that's "blindingly obvious philatelically used". If your "used" stamp obviously came from a FDC, it was hardly worth the bother of soaking it off. There were ways to get nice cds used with operational postmarks:

(1) put the stamps on a registered item (worked anywhere)
(2) put the stamps on an ordinary letter and get it cancelled at one of the post offices that hand-cancelled mail (of which there were still plenty in 1972)
(3) hit and miss method -- place the stamp on an ordinary letter positioned to try to catch the cds part of a machine cancel

Somewhere, I've got an envelope where someone paid the 2½p second class rate with five ½p sidebands -- obviously philatelic, but at least it passed through the mail in the normal way, and probably the closest I'm going to get to a commercial use of the stamp. :)

(Also, ½p not ½d, obviously.)

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It is called - ''Know Thy Concise'' Ian .. try checking SG X842- 25 quid USED, as stated. :mrgreen:
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It is called - ''Know Thy Concise'' Ian .. try checking SG X842- 25 quid USED, as stated. :mrgreen:
Thank you, it never occurred to me to look in the definitive listing because SG is so stupidly ignorant when it comes to proper accurate pricing of First Day Covers of any sort. They have brought most QE2 mint and used prices down to reasonable market levels but not FDCs.

The price quoted is for the whole pane of 6 stamps only, not necessarily including the selvedge but for that price it would have to have full perfs - and I suspect that the philatelic service had the pick of the books which is whey there were so many cr*p ones in post offices!

It doesn't say for definitives, but for commemoratives it is only for the bureau or alternative (ie standing order) cancellations (not the local standard non-pictorial FDI) which nobody who seriously collects GB FDCs collects.

Many other PSB pane FDCs in that listing can be obtained for pennies not pounds.
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Ian - I think SG X842 is for a used SINGLE sideband stamp - not a pane?

Those exact FDC found in junk FDC lots have paid for MANY a dinner in my life. :lol: :lol:

I do not use the Concise for Machins near as often as you do, and agree for a casual user t could be far better laid out, but suspect the numbers and layout and format are well set in stone now, and nothing is changing. :mrgreen:

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Ian - I think SG X842 is for a used SINGLE sideband stamp - not a pane?

Those exact FDC found in junk FDC lots have paid for MANY a dinner in my life. :lol: :lol:

I do not use the Concise for Machins near as often as you do, and agree for a casual user t could be far better laid out, but suspect the numbers and layout and format are well set in stone now, and nothing is changing. :mrgreen:

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Sorry, when you quoted the catalogue price I thought you were referring to the FDC. So, let's get it straight.

You are correct that X842 - catalogued VFU at £25 (£55 mint) - is for only the single stamp.

The price for the mint pane (X841p) is £60

But the FDC listing on page 334 reads:

24.5.72 Wedgwood Se-tenant pane ½p, 2½p, (X841p) - £25.00

... and as it is listed by date, rather than by number (which is quoted in the description) I didn't notice that the X-number quoted was not the same as the number you quoted.

Either way, the FDC that you showed with full perfs is good - but readily available; the FDC that we were shown first is poor quality and the 'scarce' stamp anything but - many of them exist with poor perfs!

Adrian Bradbury (see below) is trying to sell good ones at £50/£35 depending on postmark.
Covers other than the GPO are £40-50 per pane and the complete set on Philart cover is £95.

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Somewhere, I've got an envelope where someone paid the 2½p second class rate with five ½p sidebands -- obviously philatelic, but at least it passed through the mail in the normal way, and probably the closest I'm going to get to a commercial use of the stamp. :)
Please add a scan when this turns up: sounds like fun!

As we all know trimmed perf copies of the ½p sideband are sadly so common, and so many of these were "set aside", that the complete booklet is almost down to face value.
The cheap panes go in the discount postage stack here... commercial use, albeit 49 years after the fact. ;)

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Re: Share, discuss, or query, the GB MACHIN HEAD stamps/covers!

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5x½p sideband cover (small).jpg

Here you go. I went hunting through my box of Machin covers -- it wasn't in the obvious place (the glassine bag of booklet/coil usages), but I eventually found it and some other things I'd forgotten I had ...

Obviously prepared by a collector! Four of the stamps have good perfs (fortunately the one that doesn't is the one that missed the cancel). The one on the right illustrates what I meant about getting a genuinely fine used example with operational cancel -- the town die from the transposed slogan postmark caught it nicely. (Both times, in fact -- it was put through twice, probably because the first one was underinked.)

Cost £1 from one of Simon Hargreaves's tomato boxes IIRC. :)

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Here you go. I went hunting through my box of Machin covers -- it wasn't in the obvious place (the glassine bag of booklet/coil usages), but I eventually found it and some other things I'd forgotten I had ...
Nice, thanks! You're still better organized than I am. ;)

I'm sure many people would've been tempted to cut up the cover to dephilatelize the four copies with good perfs back when those had a higher individual (actual) value.

£1 very well spent. 8-)

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A couple of wins for my pre-decimal Machin only covers collection...
Pre-decimal Machins on cover - 3d x 3
Pre-decimal Machins on cover - 3d x 3
Pre-decimal Machins on cover 6d + 3d
Pre-decimal Machins on cover 6d + 3d
The above are a couple of combinations of the 9d international letter rate to Europe up to 1oz for the period 1 September 1968 - 14 February 1971

Pre-decimal Machins on cover 3s5d
Pre-decimal Machins on cover 3s5d
The 3s5d for this inland registered cover represents:
* 5d for the inland rate for a letter up to 4oz for the period 16 September 1968 - 14 February 1971
* 3s registration fee for the period 3 October 1966 - 14 February 1971

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Is this SG X865 grey-blue 4½p Machin imperforate booklet pane a forgery?

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Dear Machin Gurus,

Your thoughts, please, on this 1973 stitched booklet pane from either SG DP1/2 (35p) or SG DW1 (85p), found in a pile of Machins.

As far as I know this (and the 4½p generally) was never issued with an imperforate top margin. Given the stamps are set low in the frame giving a forger more to work with at the top, that the cancellation appears ‘too good to be true’ and that the smooth gummed side is inconsistent with postal use, I would conclude someone has fiddled with this! The whole pane is a couple of mm shy vertically as well. It’s not a bad effort though, as there are no ‘remnant’ perforations at all, which there usually are, and the alignment is good.

SG X865 1973 grey-blue 4½p Machin imperforate booklet pane
SG X865 1973 grey-blue 4½p Machin imperforate booklet pane

SG X865 1973 grey-blue 4½p Machin imperforate booklet pane (reverse)
SG X865 1973 grey-blue 4½p Machin imperforate booklet pane (reverse)

I suppose my question(s) is more how common is this sort of tinkering? Is there a known source/culprit? Has someone been flogging these, or similar, on (e.g.) eBay as genuine?

Best wishes, Ben

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It's a perfectly normal booklet pane with edges guillotined by the machine.

Although whole perforations are desirable for collectors, they are irrelevant for the sale and use of the stamps.

Any collector and dealer can show multiple examples of similar stamps. The perforation teeth at the foot are longer than they should be, those at the top are shorter to the point of being missing.

In this image, the booklet at the left is much like yours: the perfs at the right are overfull, those at the left are missing.

GB Booklet FB 2 50p booklet 7p-9p (both).
GB Booklet FB 2 50p booklet 7p-9p (both).
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In this image, the booklet at the left has shortened perforations on both sides, more so on the left, but those on the right are not full.

FB27-8 50p booklet 1p,4p,13p.
FB27-8 50p booklet 1p,4p,13p.
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The postmark - where we cannot read the date, let alone the year - could be applied by favour or it could have been properly postally used on a registered letter. The shininess of the gum could be down to how it was dried after soaking off, coupled with just how much soaking it needed.

There is no foul play, no tinkering.
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norvic wrote:
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It's a perfectly normal booklet pane with edges guillotined by the machine.

Although whole perforations are desirable for collectors, they are irrelevant for the sale and use of the stamps.

Any collector and dealer can show multiple examples of similar stamps. The perforation teeth at the foot are longer than they should be, those at the top are shorter to the point of being missing.
Hello Norvic,

Many thanks for your very comprehensive reply.

I have indeed got several examples of very close cut booklet panes but this one got me going, mostly because the pane is slightly shorter in height than those I compared it with. I doubt I would have suspected foul play otherwise! The picture shows the pane in question on top (bottom edge).

Reverse of 4½p Machin booklet pane
Reverse of 4½p Machin booklet pane

Given that whole perforations are more desirable to collectors, is there also an interest in panes that are genuinely imperforate due to misplaced guillotining? If there isn't, then of course there would be little point in shaving off the perforations.

Cheers, Ben

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No Ben, I'm afraid in mint condition the top row are postage, the bottom centre stamp is best, the RH stamps are short perfs at side, and dented as well.

I would keep the good one as a fine example but also note which booklet it came from, ie one with no perfs to left of the label. Maybe keep it attached to the label if you wish.
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I'd keep the original used booklet pane intact: not worth a lot, but even with the trimmed perfs and though it was most likely used late, it's more interesting than a single used 4½p (of which there are many around).

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These were in my grandfather's collection that I inherited. I really don't know much about them. He has some of the GB machine head stamps in the collection.
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You should show us the French stamps at the foot of the page in a separate thread, if you haven't already, and preferably with a scan rather than photo. Then the image will be really sharp. There are some potentially interesting postmarks there.

As for the Machin (capital M, no e) stamps (named after the designer, a good starter collection. There are probably nearly 1000 more!
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norvic wrote:
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You should show us the French stamps at the foot of the page in a separate thread, if you haven't already, and preferably with a scan rather than photo. Then the image will be really sharp. There are some potentially interesting postmarks there.

As for the Machin (capital M, no e) stamps (named after the designer, a good starter collection. There are probably nearly 1000 more!
Unfortunately, I do not have a scanner. But if there are any particular ones you want a close up picture of, please let me know and I will do my best to post them.

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Faulty phosphor bands on 1968 1d greenish-olive Machin

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Hello Machin Gurus,

I've come across a strip of 1968 1d greenish-olive Machins, Head B, 2 x phosphor bands. There appears to be a progressive fault on the phosphor application, which I've not seen before.

Faulty phosphor bands on 1968 1d greenish-olive Machin SG 724
Faulty phosphor bands on 1968 1d greenish-olive Machin SG 724

I'd be most grateful if someone could tell me the cause and whether in any way unusual.

Cheers, Ben

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Re: Share, discuss, or query, the GB MACHIN HEAD stamps/covers!

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Ben,

I'd say most likely it's damage caused by long-term storage in an unsuitable plastic wallet or similar.

The Machin experts may have a different view of course. :idea:

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Bennich wrote:
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Hello Machin Gurus,

I've come across a strip of 1968 1d greenish-olive Machins, Head B, 2 x phosphor bands. There appears to be a progressive fault on the phosphor application, which I've not seen before.


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I'd be most grateful if someone could tell me the cause and whether in any way unusual.

Cheers, Ben
No fault on the phosphor, rather protection, as the phosphor is applied astride the perforations. Where you have colour/ink missing is the area without phosphor! And I agree with Gavin regarding the cause.
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Re: Share, discuss, or query, the GB MACHIN HEAD stamps/covers!

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Another pre-decimal cover to Europe...
Pre-decimal machins on cover to Europe 9d
Pre-decimal machins on cover to Europe 9d
This one is a different combination to earlier of the 9d international letter rate to Europe up to 1oz for the period 1 September 1968 - 14 February 1971

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