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Re: Perforation errors - share you

Posted: 25 Jan 2010 10:13
by nigelc
Thanks guys - so there were two elements, an extra strike by the comb and the comb not advancing as far as normal (probably because it was impeded by the edge of the plate or something associated with it?).

Re: Perforation errors - share your images here

Posted: 25 Jan 2010 10:20
by The Pom
Obvious when you think about it!

Cheers
Chris

Re: Perforation errors - share you

Posted: 25 Jan 2010 10:29
by PeterS
nigelc wrote:Thanks guys - so there were two elements, an extra strike by the comb and the comb not advancing as far as normal (probably because it was impeded by the edge of the plate or something associated with it?).
The sheets would have been bundled for perforation. When you think about it, there probably was something to keep them in place as they were violated by the perforator! :)

So yes, as good an explanation as any as to why the comb did not advance it's normal distance.

Re: Perforation errors - share your images here

Posted: 26 Jan 2010 06:13
by Londonbus1
From the Flag collection.

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Londonbus1.....now you know where I got it from !!!

Re: Perforation errors - share you

Posted: 26 Jan 2010 15:25
by Allanswood
PeterS wrote:
nigelc wrote:Thanks guys - so there were two elements, an extra strike by the comb and the comb not advancing as far as normal (probably because it was impeded by the edge of the plate or something associated with it?).
The sheets would have been bundled for perforation. When you think about it, there probably was something to keep them in place as they were violated by the perforator! :)

So yes, as good an explanation as any as to why the comb did not advance it's normal distance.
I'm not at home so...
Is the watermark meant to be sideways?

Re: Perforation errors - share your images here

Posted: 26 Jan 2010 18:34
by The Pom
Yes, wmk is meant to be sideways on this stamp.

Cheers
Chris

Re: Perforation errors - share your images here

Posted: 26 Jan 2010 19:36
by tonymacg
I must say, I find these misplaced and double perforations a bit thin ...

Now Travancore, and its successor Travancore-Cochin, knew how to do a perforation error:

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Travancore SG 76ba, and

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Travancore-Cochin SG O10fc

and for good measure, here's an unlisted error:

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SG O10g unlisted imperf between

Re: Perforation errors - share your images here

Posted: 26 Jan 2010 19:41
by tonymacg
On the principle that you can never have too much of a good thing,

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Travancore-Cochin SG O11cd, and

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Travancore-Cochin SG 11bb

But wait, there's more:

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Travancore-Cochin SG O6da and

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Travancore-Cochin SG O6db

And that's hardly scratching the surface of the surface of the riches available in Travancore and Travancore-Cochin :D

Re: Perforation errors - share your images here

Posted: 26 Jan 2010 20:46
by GUTTERS
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For the heck of it

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Re: Perforation errors - share your images here

Posted: 27 Jan 2010 04:07
by norvic
The die-cut perfs on self-adhesives can also go wrong. This should be captioned Worldwide:
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Comes from a book of 4:
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Of course it's not just the die-cut that's wrong as the stamps are closer to the top than to the bottom edge of the book.

Re: Perforation errors - share your images here

Posted: 27 Jan 2010 04:17
by Sisophon
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S/S from Cambodia.
3 hits and still cannot make it right .......

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Posted: 27 Jan 2010 04:55
by norvic
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S/S from Cambodia.
3 hits and still cannot make it right .......
I suppose they thought it should depict the hurdles event :D

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Posted: 27 Jan 2010 05:01
by traralgon3844
norvic wrote:The die-cut perfs on self-adhesives can also go wrong.
Sure can:

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Re: Perforation errors - share your images here

Posted: 28 Jan 2010 18:44
by HILLS
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Hi,Striking King George Imperf from New Zealand.
Cheers
Wayne

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Posted: 29 Jan 2010 07:11
by PeterS
I have shown this elsewhere (once or twice) but it belongs here as well.

There was a major problem that occurred when perforating the sheet this block comes from. Obvious double perfs at base. However, the entire second last row (and the bottom right stamp) have been removed and other stamps inserted. Imagine how bad the removed stamps must have looked!

A classic example of 'waste not, want not' in early Australian stamp production.

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Posted: 29 Jan 2010 08:30
by crazygerman
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Hi,Striking King George Imperf from New Zealand.
Cheers
Wayne
Hi Wayne,

that's very very beautiful. Perf error on such a nice recess printed stamp!
I like it.
If you happen to give the block away, I'd take it :D :D

Regards, Lars

Re: Perforation errors - share your images here

Posted: 30 Jan 2010 09:20
by RolyRJ
Not a perforation error but I am sure the Brits must have been reading this thread and said "this will stuff 'em up" :)

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Cheers

Roly

Re: Perforation errors - share your images here

Posted: 08 Feb 2010 00:50
by The Pom
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Re: Perforation errors - share your images here

Posted: 08 Feb 2010 05:03
by tooler
1971 Eisenhower 8ยข

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Re: Perforation errors - share your images here

Posted: 09 Mar 2010 09:14
by norvic
I should have posted this stunner earlier - it's in another 'newsy' thread, but deserves its place here as well:

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It's actually hanging together by the horizontal perfs - sadly not mine, but images sent by a reader.

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Posted: 09 Mar 2010 15:55
by Kev
Global Administrator wrote:
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And this one I really like, from the one sheet found of the 1975 top value $10.
As a matter of interest which country issued these?

Cheers, Kev.

Re: Perforation errors - share your images here

Posted: 09 Mar 2010 15:58
by Allanswood
I'll vote Canada? (Victoria)

Went and checked google - Yes Kev and Peter, its Victoria Australia
$40 an entire sheetr on ebay.(normal not missed perfed)

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Posted: 09 Mar 2010 16:07
by PeterS
Kev wrote:
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And this one I really like, from the one sheet found of the 1975 top value $10.
As a matter of interest which country issued these?

Cheers, Kev.
Victoria, Australia for hunting licenses (I think).

Re: Perforation errors - share your images here

Posted: 09 Mar 2010 19:21
by gavin-h
A few examples from Soviet-occupied Germany.

If they look familiar, I've shown some of these on another thread, but they belong equally here:

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This one is on one of the Berlin-Brandenberg "Bears", resulting in the inscription appearing at the bottom of the stamp. This is really a "Misroul" as it is misplaced rouletting, not perforation...

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Posted: 09 Mar 2010 19:22
by gavin-h
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Province of Saxony locally (mis)perforated.

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Posted: 09 Mar 2010 19:23
by gavin-h
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East Saxony perforation error, this one being Imperf at the bottom.

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East Saxony Reconstruction issue cut to shape to give an approximation of the full design!!!

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Posted: 09 Mar 2010 19:24
by gavin-h
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West Saxony, extra horizontal row of perforations near the top of the design.

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Posted: 09 Mar 2010 19:25
by gavin-h
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Mecklenburg-Vorpommern.

The children's charity stamp on the left has two additional lines of perfs in the top margin.

The Land Reform and Rebuilding stamps to the right are both examples of the vertical perforations being badly misplaced and "cut to shape".

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Posted: 09 Mar 2010 19:26
by gavin-h
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Soviet Zone General issue - postally used, shows a clear second strike of the perforator.

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Posted: 09 Mar 2010 20:18
by Wolfgang
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no fault, the line comes from the scanner!


Sold at our last ING "For members only " auction

Re: Perforation errors - share your images here

Posted: 10 Mar 2010 13:30
by Philatelius
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Posted: 10 Mar 2010 15:16
by tonymacg
It's a while since I gave this an airing:

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Jind SG J45a, and the only perforation error from Jind in its heyday

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Posted: 11 Mar 2010 15:01
by compoundperf
Hello here is one I think a bit interesting,


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I`m not to concerned with the left and right sides {Edward scissor hands at work ?}.
But you can clearly see on the top the frame of the next stamp , so I would have assumed the Bottom Perf to have been in the same area ???, So how/why did they get so high.

Regards

C . P .

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Posted: 11 Mar 2010 15:08
by PeterS
It is the marginal line, not another stamp (you can see that the green line is continuous and doesn't fit into the same space as teh stamp). Given how far away the top perfs are I suspect there was a jump in the comb. Pity the vertical perfs are missing!

Re: Perforation errors - share your images here

Posted: 11 Mar 2010 17:09
by compoundperf
Thanks for that Peter ,
Yes I see what you mean by the line now that you mention it , and yes it is a pity about the vertical perfs , I dont think the right side has been cut but more just brutally torn off , left side definitely a scissor job.
Never mind put it in the weird and wonderful box :lol: :lol:

Regards

C . P .

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Posted: 12 Mar 2010 18:42
by compoundperf
Hello , and a question for Sir Peter ,

:idea: would you be able to reperf the vert`s to make it look better , or is this A not done thing , if so whom would do it . :!: :?:

Regards

C . P .

Re: Perforation errors - share your images here

Posted: 17 Mar 2010 21:26
by compoundperf
STUNNED SILENCE WAS THE ANSWER :shock: :? :cry:

Re: Perforation errors - share your images here

Posted: 17 Mar 2010 22:04
by Allanswood
Thats becasue Peter wasnt standing beside you with a Tazer!
Otherwise I think you'd be the stunned one! :shock: :roll: :!: :!:

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Posted: 17 Mar 2010 22:49
by compoundperf
Thanks Greg ,
Well I did ask if it was "A" done thing or not , a simple yes or no would have been sufficient .
I can see the reasons why not, if a crook is selling it but if it was defined as such I personally can`t see a problem , like a repaired stamp and duly marked as such .
But I will no doubt cop it . :lol: :lol: :lol:.

Regards

C . P .

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Posted: 17 Mar 2010 23:08
by Allanswood
Peter, is this what you mean by a jump in the comb to make a stamp larger? :shock:

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CP Ive sent an email. :D

Re: Perforation errors - share your images here

Posted: 17 Mar 2010 23:45
by Global Administrator
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Re the above questions.

We live in a strange world with stamps. Perfect centred get big money. Well off centre so that perfs touch 1 or 2 sides get a half of that. Yet go even more off centre and it becomes a "perf freak" - and it sells for MORE than well centred! Often many times more.

We have here an unusual "JUMBO" stamp. A nice looking stamp with a MASSIVE margin at base. The Americans call these "JUMBOS" and they sell for much more than an ordinary copy.

Clean and fresh, and appeared to me to be MUH original gum at first glance, but probably has once had a light hinge touch.

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=17921

I've priced it for less than a normal centred hinged stamp. A great piece of striking eye-candy for the specialist. :lol:

Re: Perforation errors - share your images here

Posted: 19 Mar 2010 13:07
by tonymacg
Just received this one

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Cochin SG 117a - imperf between in a horizontal pair

Unlike next-door neighbour Travancore, this type of perforation error is quite uncommon from Cochin. At a rather more humble level, it also shows a missing perforation pin in both rows of perfs.

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Posted: 19 Mar 2010 13:31
by PeterS
compoundperf wrote:Thanks Greg ,
Well I did ask if it was "A" done thing or not , a simple yes or no would have been sufficient .
I can see the reasons why not, if a crook is selling it but if it was defined as such I personally can`t see a problem , like a repaired stamp and duly marked as such .
But I will no doubt cop it . :lol: :lol: :lol:.

Regards

C . P .
I was, initally, too stunned that you would even ask such a question. Then I just assumed it was a rhetorical one, made in jest! I see, now, that you were serious???

Let me just say that I have seen some idiotic suggestions in my time (probably even contributed one or 2 myself), but that......... :roll:

Re: Perforation errors - share your images here

Posted: 19 Mar 2010 13:34
by PeterS
Allanswood wrote:Peter, is this what you mean by a jump in the comb to make a stamp larger? :shock:

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CP Ive sent an email. :D
Perforating was, relative to modern methods, primitive. That is why you get variability in size of stamps that are obviously with original, genuine, perfs.

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Posted: 19 Mar 2010 13:36
by PeterS
tonymacg wrote:Just received this one

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Cochin SG 117a - imperf between in a horizontal pair

Unlike next-door neighbour Travancore, this type of perforation error is quite uncommon from Cochin. At a rather more humble level, it also shows a missing perforation pin in both rows of perfs.
No doubt why the poor bugger looks so bloody sad.

Re: Perforation errors - share your images here

Posted: 19 Mar 2010 13:52
by compoundperf
Thank You Peter for your reply, I think I now get your drift as to re-perfs .
You can now put the Taser away :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol: .
Fond Regards
C . P .

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Posted: 19 Mar 2010 14:29
by PeterS
compoundperf wrote:Thank You Peter for your reply, I think I now get your drift as to re-perfs .
You can now put the Taser away :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol: .
Fond Regards
C . P .
I don't have a taser, just a .350 magnum! :lol:

Re: Perforation errors - share your images here

Posted: 19 Mar 2010 15:06
by tonymacg
PeterS wrote:
tonymacg wrote:Just received this one

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Cochin SG 117a - imperf between in a horizontal pair

Unlike next-door neighbour Travancore, this type of perforation error is quite uncommon from Cochin. At a rather more humble level, it also shows a missing perforation pin in both rows of perfs.
No doubt why the poor bugger looks so bloody sad.
Maharaja Rama Varma IV might have been depressed by that suggestion from your friend Compound Perf, Peter. More likely the melancholy was due to the disappearance of his state into the United State of Travancore-Cochin in the same year (and the realization that was his first and last chance to appear on a pictorial :D )

Re: Misperfs

Posted: 03 Nov 2010 11:07
by manfaefife
Resurrecting an old thread with this USA 3 Cents misperf

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Re: Misperfs

Posted: 03 Nov 2010 14:11
by DJM
I have this one in stock that someone here ordered but I now can't remember who!


How much for that block Glen ?

Darrin.