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For those living in Toronto or nearby there will be a stamp show on November 24th.

This event will take place at the Yorkminster Park Baptist Church, 1585 Yonge Street Toronto form 10 a.m.to 4 p.m. and is organized by the North Toronto Stamp Club web site http://www.northtorontostampclub.tk/ .

Free Parking and Free Admission, Weelchair access, Families and Children are welcome.

An ideal opportunity to meet many other stamp collectors and about 20 Ontario dealers.

In general I always manage to find some good squared circle postmarks there to add to my collection.

One of my preferred sections are the 10 cents books,I always fine some square circles and some perfins there

I will be pleased to give you any additional information

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British North Borneo - SANDAKAN used a Squared Circle cancel
Netherlands East Indies had about 230 different post offices that used a squared cir cancel between 1892 to 1913

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Yes , I was not aware of the Sandakan one but Moloch has posted a copy of this postmark in an earlier post in this section.The Netherland Indies postmarks are very interesting with an enormous variety.They were also used at Merauke in New Guinea and by the postal agencies of Singapore and Penang. I have never seen any of these 3 and would be very interested if another member could show a picture of one of these.

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You indicated somewhere in this thread that you had not seen a Netherlands Indies N.I. AGENT SINGAPORE it is fairly common as a transit marking but difficult as the sending office - transit marking below

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thanks I will use this image for a summary I am writing about the square circle postmarks in the world and that eventually I plan to put on the net for the benefit of all collectors

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You had said you had not seen a Sandakan squared circle cancel - I noted a nice example on eBay this morning so I will post it. I think a second town in North Borneo also used the squared circle cancel but much ore difficult TENOM I think

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thanks it is a very good one so I decided to bid on it unless you are interested in it in which case I will retract my bid.also if you intend to sell any squared circle postmarks let me know,I liked the ones I just bought from you.have a good day Matt

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I have not collected North Borneo for many years now - so have at it -- it is an excellent strike and early I think

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One more from India I've just rediscovered:

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The Bhopal British Indian post office: unfortunately, the date is ilegible
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italianstamps wrote:thanks I will use this image for a summary I am writing about the square circle postmarks in the world and that eventually I plan to put on the net for the benefit of all collectors
I look forward to the resource - if you need help, don't be afraid to ask.

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I am still working on the web site on World-Wide Squared Circle Postmarks.It is taking longer than expected but it should be ready by late spring 2013. It will list some basic information for each country known to have used squared circle postmarks.I am always interested in pictures of unusual squared circle postmarks to add to my library

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Ahoj everyone!

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This is an 1889 squared circle postmark from SHAHJAHANPUR that I have on eBay at the moment.

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I haven't seen this town mentioned on the thread and I could not find it in Italianstamps' list, or did I miss it?

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It is on a rather dusty cover, but it is an interesting link to the Raj with a Shahjahanpur Station Club embossing on the flap.

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Yes you are right, it is not in my list.I will add it in my next update. Please note that I have created my list extracting the post office names from a couple of specialized books and from my personal findings together with other members of this forum. I add any new finding to my list but I do not have sufficient knowledge to establish the level of rarity of each postmark .What is clear is that any list available at the moment is incomplete and obsolete and till now many Indian post offices have not been properly identified as users of squared circle postmarks.

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Ahoj italianstamps!

I am pleased that I have provided something new for you. Sharing information is what this board is all about. I will keep my eye out for others.

I see it has attracted a bid on ebay too. :D

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that's my bid...

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Pulled these two back out of the seconds bin for their squared circles. Didn't quite get the date on the Bellary.

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Below is a quick note cut from a Wikipedia article about the history of Bellary: (I am in awe of anyone who can read through without mispronouncing).

Bellary was ruled in succession by the Mauryas, Satavahanas, the Pallavas, the Kadambas, the Badami Chalukyas, the Rashtrakutas, the Kalyani Chalukyas, the Southern Kalachuryas, the Sevuna Yadavas, and the Hoysalas, and also ruled briefly by the Cholas during the wars between Kalyani Chalukyas and the Cholas.

After the Sevuna Yadavas and the Hoysalas were defeated by the Islamic sultanates of Delhi, the Vijayanagara Empire arose under Harihara I and Bukka I who dominated the Bellary area. Bellary itself was ruled by the family of Hande Hanumappa Nayaka, a Palayagara of the Vijayanagara rulers. After the fall of the Vijayanagara empire, the Hande Nayakas of Bellary were successively subsidiary to the Adilshahi sultanate, the Mughals, the Nizam, Hyder Ali and Tipu Sultan, and finally the British Empire after the Nizam ceded a large part of the southern Deccan to the British East India Company. The Hande Nayakas ceased to be rulers of Bellary after Major Thomas Munro disposed of the palayagars of the ceded districts and established the Ryotwari land revenue system.

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Not quite sure about the date. 88 98 89 ?? any other guesses?

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patg wrote:Not quite sure about the date. 88 98 89 ?? any other guesses?

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Ahoj Pat!

Which stamp are you asking about?

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The one right before your question? :shock: :D

honza: Seriously now. They were the Transvaal block with squared circle cancel. I think the retroreveal brought some nice contrast with making the cancel easier to read (that & rotating :D ). I'm also wondering if someone with more experience with this cancel and time period could make an estimate if was a proper in period usage. I was giving my guess as 88 98 89 and was wondering if anyone saw something else.

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patg wrote:The one right before your question? :shock: :D

honza: Seriously now. They were the Transvaal block with squared circle cancel. I think the retroreveal brought some nice contrast with making the cancel easier to read (that & rotating :D ). I'm also wondering if someone with more experience with this cancel and time period could make an estimate if was a proper in period usage. I was giving my guess as 88 98 89 and was wondering if anyone saw something else.

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Ahoj Pat!

I was trying to be helpful :roll:

I could see nothing like 88 98 89 in the postmark on the block of four and was wondering if you were still referring to your previous post where you questioned the date on the Bellary postmark.

If you are still interested in my opinion, I would suggest DEC 4 89 or possibly DEC 17 89 where the day has been inserted upside down.

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honza:
See what happen right there. My fingers are typing light humor, and you're reading it straight. If we were sitting next to each other we would both be laughing at the exchange.

I found it humorous because my question was sitting right on top of the block.

The "honza: Seriously now." Was me going back to serious " philatelic" mode and answering your question straight, and was not meant to slight your reply in any way.

Of course I'm interested in your opinion, and anyone else (almost) who takes the time to answer my questions.

It's Sunday morning here; getting ready to go to church, super bowl later, clear beautiful weather outside, and I sure don't want to start the day thinking I insulted you.

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Ahoj patg!

Sorry if I sounded touchy. I have a great sense of humour really - honestinjun or should that be honestnativeamerican now?.

Anyway all is forgiven. :D

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any new input?
If you live in Toronto the North Toronto Stamp Bourse will take place on May 23rd. 22 dealers will be attending
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Here is one I received today,

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it is a very clear one with a very clear date

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I don't actually collect them so I can't help with illustrations, but according to Richard Wooders in his bible for collectors of NZ postmarks "The 1998 New Zealand Post Offices Cancellation & Postmark Guide", there are 138 F class: Squared Circle Cancellations that were used in New Zealand from 1883 to 1975. Of these 138, he states "Percentage rated as Rare 7 - 10 rating 33%" i.e. 46 offices.

I believe the book has been out of print for quite some time, but does appear from time to time in philatelic literature auctions.

He also mentions under suggested further reading "New Zealand Squared Circle Cancellations" by Patricia E Capill, 1979.

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Yes thanks In fact Patricia Capill 's book is a very good reference for New Zealand squared circle postmarks.I don't have a copy of the book but my library does, so I consult it from time to time

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I expect you have seen this one from the Orange Free State (1895) So far as I am aware only Bloemfontein ever used a squared circle, and even there only for a fairly short period, so these are not particularly commonplace.
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yes I am only aware of the Bloemfontein squared circle one one with O.V.S. marking on Orange Free State stamps, introduced in 1894.Apparently there is also an octagone one but I have not seen it

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Yes, the octagonal one is a bit more frequent. Here's a couple, though you really need a cover to see them in their full glory.
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The real prize among Bloemfontein cancels though is this one, used for just one month in 1894 and then withdrawn for being in the wrong language (English.)
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nice pieces thanks

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moloch wrote:The best listing of the countries that used these postmarks is
-"Squared Circle Postmarks Used Outside Great Britain - An Overview" by Curt Nicolaus Fernau. It was published by the Great Britain & Commonwealth Philatelic Society (Switzerland). It's not perfect, it misses countries that only have one or two.
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This booklet was still available in 2012 from the GB & CW PS, guess there should be still some copies left. If interested I could post the society secretary's contact details here.

Further literature on this topic in my library:
Stanley Gibbons, Collect British postmarks (ISBN 978-0-85259-759-2, UK retail 29.95 GBP)
8th edition (Nov 2011), chapter 8 "Squared Circle Postmarks": pages 138-145 list ~870 British Post Offices {incl pricing}

Rodney Overton, A catalogue of Squared Circle Postmarks of South Australia (published ~1983)
34 pages of listings with ~900 entries {incl pricing as of 1983}, plus some illustrations
This book's bibliography cites these sources:
* Donald G. Cox, South Australia: The Squared Circle Cancellations; The Hawthorn Press, Melbourne (see below, available from the library)
* The Australian Posthorn, various issues
* The Postal Stationary and Postal History Society of Australia Inc., Adelaide


The Philatelic Library Munich holds these items tagged with "Squared Circle":

----- Great Britain -----

Collecting british squared circle postmarks / by Stanley F. Cohen. Co-authors : Maurice Barette, John Hine and A. M. Williams. - 2. ed.. - Trinder
¬The¬ London offices / by Stanley F. Cohen. Co-authors : Maurice Barette, John Hine and A. M. Williams. - 2. ed.
¬The¬ provincial offices / by Stanley F. Cohen. Co-authors : Maurice Barette, John Hine and A. M. Williams. - 2. ed.

Collecting british squared circle postmarks. - Part 1. ¬The¬ provincial offices. - Sect. 1. The squared circle story / by Stanley F. Cohen. Co-authors : Maurice Barette, John Hine and A. M. Williams, 2006

Collecting british squared circle postmarks. - Part 2. ¬The¬ London offices. - Sect. 3. Experimental combined stamps London E.C. and inland branch / by Stanley F. Cohen. Co-authors : Maurice Barette, John Hine and A. M. Williams, 2006

Squared circle postmarks of the London suburban district offices / by Stanley F. Cohen. In assoc. with Daniel G. Rosenblat. - Hayes, 1983

SQUARED CIRCLE POSTMARKS OF YORKSHIRE / DON C. WALTON. - Yorkshire Postal History Society, 1973


Collecting british squared circle postmarks / by Stanley F. Cohen. Co-authors : Maurice Barette and Daniel G. Rosenblat. - Cohen
Collecting british squared circle postmarks - ¬The¬ squared circle story ; the provincial offices ; the London offices / by Stanley F. Cohen. Co-authors : Maurice Barette and Daniel G. Rosenblat, 1987
Collecting british squared circle postmarks. - 1. supplement no. 1 / by Stanley F. Cohen. Co-authors : Maurice Barette and Daniel G. Rosenblat. - [Stand:] October 1990, 1990
Collecting british squared circle postmarks. - 2/4. supplement no. 2, 3, 4 / by Stanley F. Cohen. Co-authors : Maurice Barette and Daniel G. Rosenblat, 1999

Squared circle postmarks / by W. G. Stitt Dibden. - British Postmark Society, 1964

----- world-wide except GB -----
'Squared circle'-Stempel ausserhalb Grossbritanniens : ein Überblick / Curt Nicolaus Fernau. - Great Britain & Commonwealth Philatelic Society, 2003

----- Canada -----
Proof Strikes of Canada. - 16.17.. Transportation proof strikes of Canada, Squared circle circle proof strikes of Canada / ed. by J. Paul Hughes, 1992

¬The¬ squared circle postmarks of Canada / W. G. Moffat ; G. F. Hansen. - British North America Philatelic Society, 1981

SQUARED CIRCLE POSTMARKS OF CANADA / Alfred Whitehead. - British North America Philatelic Society, 1954

¬The¬ squared circle postmarks of Canada : [a handbook of the British North America Philatelic Society] / by Alfred Whitehead. - (3. ed.), completely rev.. - ¬The¬ British North America Philatelic Society, 1964

Squared circle cancellations of Canada : a handbook of the British North America Philatelic Society / by the Squared Circle Study Group. Ed. by John S. Gordon. - 5. ed.. - British North America Philatelic Society, 2001

----- South Australia -----
South Australia : the squared circle cancellations / by Donald C. Cox. - Hawthorn Press, 1976

¬A¬ catalogue of squared circle postmarks of South Australia / Rodney Overton. - [Selbstverl.] Overton, 1983

----- New Zealand -----

New Zealand squared circle cancellations / based on A. J. Robinson's orig. work and rev. by Patricia E. Capill. - Postal History Society of New Zealand, 1979

Squared circle cancellations of New Zealand / comp. by Alfred John Robinson. - Postal History Society, 1968

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thank you Moloch,in fact the day that I will be ready to open my website you will find a reference to all those books in there.I still use the Fernau book as a useful reference, for most British colonies.However till now I have found out that it is missing other countries like Spain, China, Brazil, some Italian colonies,North Borneo, and information on some countries like for example India needs to be expanded significantly. In fact at the moment you can read the draft of my study on slideshare at this address: http://www.slideshare.net/leonmatthys/world-wide-squaredcirc ... .Hopefully by June I will be able to publish the final document on a new website

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italianstamps wrote:thank you Moloch,in fact the day that I will be ready to open my website you will find a reference to all those books in there.I still use the Fernau book as a useful reference, for most British colonies.However till now I have found out that it is missing other countries like Spain, China, Brazil, some Italian colonies,North Borneo, and information on some countries like for example India needs to be expanded significantly. In fact at the moment you can read the draft of my study on slideshare at this address: http://www.slideshare.net/leonmatthys/world-wide-squaredcirc ... .Hopefully by June I will be able to publish the final document on a new website
adding a blank in front of 'Hopefully' reveals the working link
http://de.slideshare.net/leonmatthys/world-wide-squaredcirclepostmarkscombinedfinal

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ok thanks for the correction

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Here's one from Zanzibar

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For Netherlands Indies squared circles, the two references I use are:

De vierkantstempels van Nederlands-Oost-Indie 1892-1916, by A.W. ten Geuzendam (1976). [This book has drawings of every hammer the author knew about.]

Poststempel Catalogus Nederlands-Indie 1864 - 1942 by P. Storm van Leeuwen. (1995) [This book contains some new discoveries not in the above book, but does not show every hammer. It does mention that the list includes 214 offices that used the squared circle.]

Both of the above books are in Dutch, which is not a problem if you are only interested in the list of names. They also include rarity factors.

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thank you I was not aware of these two publications,I will try to add them to my library

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To be a bit more specific, the second book is a general work on postmarks from the Netherlands Indies, and just has a short chapter on squared circle marks.

The first book is entirely about squared circle marks.

Your Dutch lesson for today: "vierkant" = "square" (literally: four-side).

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thanks for the clarification.I will try to find a copy here in Toronto

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a copy of Guezemdam sold on eBay for $7.00 about 3 weeks ago - it was the first copy I have seen on eBay - and I thought it sold at a cheep price

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Italianstamps - I think you need to thank CaminhoAUS for the literature list, and not me.
There are a whole series of volumes by Edward Proud http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Proud that are probably useful (British Guiana, Uganda and Zanzibar, Malaya). I have none of these, but I noticed a lot of references to his hammer types when looking at Malaya squared circles (I believe the list is in Volume 2 of Postal History of Malaya).

I'd also suggest searching the American Philatelic Society library - I have used them to get Cyprus and India (c. 1960s) info before.

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italianstamps - excellent start to your slideshow. Certainly something I can add input to. Tonite it's Spain. Here's the earliest (May 30 1892) I have:
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and the latest (Jun 9 1899):
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The other thing to note is there are multiple hammers (tall letters on the former, wider lettering on the latter). Not that I have a lot of examples and I haven't seriously sought out Madrid, but there maybe a significant gap in period of usage too (I have 1892, 1893, and 1899).

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Another for the library (for Nyasaland and BCA) is "The Postmarks of Nyasaland and Malawi (Including British Central Africa)" by A. Banks & N. Roberts (no indication of date on mine). They divide the cancels into 5 categories:
6 - squared circle, BCA at base
7 - squared circle, BCA after office name, blank at base
9 - squared circle, Nyasaland after office name at top, thick arc divided by '+' at base
10 - squared circle, MOB after office name at top,Nyasaland at base
O6 - as 6 inscribed Zomba Official

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good additions thanks.For the Spanish postmark I have a half one for which I am trying to understand if it was an error or a normal postmark

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I noticed that in the slide show. I just assumed it was a weak transfer of the lower half of a normal squared circle strike, but all my strikes are well struck. Did the hammer get damaged and by Nov 1893 the lower half removed (the critical info, the city and the date, are in the upper half) and used in that state?

For certain towns, Canadian squared circles had alterations to the hammer over the period the hammer was used. This might be a similar thing.

Oh, could you show examples of numerical timemarks for Barbados. I've only got examples of A's and B's.

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For those of you who live near Toronto the CSDA show is on until Sunday afternoon. There is a beautiful display of squared circle postmarks of Jamaica covering in details all the different post offices where these postmarks were used

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Wish I could see the display. Jamaica is a country that I haven't taken much interest in - mainly this article ( https://www.jamaicaphilately.info/20_Philatelic/209_Publicati ... amaica.pdf ) states that nothing should be considered scarce, I suppose, since periods of usage for most hammers were more than a couple of years.

But in that article there is mention of multiple Kingston hammers in use simultaneously (one per clerk or counter). And then I bought a cover with the Jamaica Exhibition Post Office as a receiver on front, but I'm way more fascinated by the back:
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Clearly 2 different hammers (an IC and a VC timemark). It was readdressed a few times.

A study of the Kingston hammers would be really interesting. Was that covered in the exhibit? Any new finds since this article? Or could you invite the exhibitor to answer questions on the board?

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I will see what I can get.I took some pictures but they were very bad because of the reflections of the glass

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