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Then these two interesting mute cancels, anybody know anything about these??

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Ahoj everyone!

Apologies if this one has been aired before, but it is a nice strike.

DOUGLAS ISLE OF MAN

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Very nice Honza,

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Ahoj again!

A partial squared circle from Dowa NYASALAND that I found when listing items for ebay.

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Has it been included in the lists?

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Good evening, I have a couple of no ideas from Italy and Ned Indie.

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Ahoj Micky!

I think the last one is PAVIA, famous for its Certosa.

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Thank you very much Honza. :D

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The other one is Weltevreden. Common in general, don't know which hammer this one is, but there is about a dozen different hammers.

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this is italianstamps. for various reasons I have been away from the forum for a while and have not updated my website.hopefully I will be able to be more active during the winter.On the meantime I have acquired an Italian and Indian collection so will probably be able to post some additional information in the near future.Concerning Portuguese India it all started with an ad on ebay where a seller was selling that specific square circle as from Portuguese India.Thanks for the great information.I will update my website indicating that there are no postmarks from Portuguese India. Regrettably somebody purchased that cover believing it was a Portuguese India postmark.

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Cover with squared cancellers - Beurs Johannesburg, ZAR (Transvaal)

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great cover

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Ahoj everyone!

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A nice SON squared circle postmark of SOERABAJA in the Netherlands East Indies

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Another from the Dutch East Indies MAKASSER (Is it ER at the end?)

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Here's one I picked up in the last year that I quite like, beat up as it may be. Got lots of things going for it on it's travels from Nurnberg, thru London, to British Guiana, and finally to Jamaica. It's got squared circles from 2 countries (BG and Jamaica), squared circles from 2 towns in the same country (Kingston and Black River), and 2 squared circle hammers (the Kingston I and II hammers) from the same town.

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Netherlands Indies, 1902 cover from Goenoeng Sitoli to Munich in Germany and returned to the Indies. Here it went sightseeing through Java and Sumatra! :arrow: About 20 square circle cancels have been struck.

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Reconstructing the route may require some detective work! Sent from Goenoeng Sitoli on the island of Nias off the western coast of Sumatra, it went via Padang and Singapore to Munich in Germany. From Germany it was returned to the Netherlands Indies and sent to post offices on Sumatra and Java in search of the sender (a person in the military). The circuitous route went as follows: Weltevreden – Batavia – Padang – Singkel – Padang – Siboga – Weltevreden – Padang – Weltevreden – Semarang – Poerworedjo – Padang – Semarang – Poerworedjo – Maos – Weltevreden. The whole journey took over four months and it is unknown if the letter was returned to the sender. On the back is the long cancel in blue from Goenoeng Sitoli from where the journey began.
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bowulf wrote:Netherlands Indies, 1902 cover from Goenoeng Sitoli to Munich in Germany and returned to the Indies. Here it went sightseeing through Java and Sumatra! :arrow: About 20 square circle cancels have been struck.

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Reconstructing the route may require some detective work! Sent from Goenoeng Sitoli on the island of Nias off the western coast of Sumatra, it went via Padang and Singapore to Munich in Germany. From Germany it was returned to the Netherlands Indies and sent to post offices on Sumatra and Java in search of the sender (a person in the military). The circuitous route went as follows: Weltevreden – Batavia – Padang – Singkel – Padang – Siboga – Weltevreden – Padang – Weltevreden – Semarang – Poerworedjo – Padang – Semarang – Poerworedjo – Maos – Weltevreden. The whole journey took over four months and it is unknown if the letter was returned to the sender. On the back is the long cancel in blue from Goenoeng Sitoli from where the journey began.
Thanks for posting this bowulf. I think your exhibit of Netherlands Indies cancels may need only one squared circle cover, unless you are showing some new discoveries or rarities. Anyways, it may not be 20 different towns, but I see at least 2 different Semarang and Weltevreden hammers on the same cover, and that I like. Also, did Batavia use an altered squared circle cancel with the corners removed (like Port Pirie in South Australia, or Nanaimo in Canada)? I speculated in this board a card I have has an altered Batavia squared circle and your 9/7/1902 Batavia on the left of the back of the cover looks like the inner part and numbering is from a squared circle.

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Thanks for the comments moloch.

For sure it's not 20 different towns, but it appears to have bounced back and forth between some of the main post offices, as well as some smaller ones like Singkel and Siboga.

Good observation about the Batavia cancel which can be seen on the left on the back. Batavia continued to use the small round cancel (the cancel that preceded the squared circle cancels) up till about mid-1906 as a transit and receiver cancel. It was the only place to do so, as far as I know. Generally in the Netherlands Indies the squared circle cancels replaced the small round cancels in 1893, but some of the main offices used the squared circle already from January 1892.
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Another wanderer!

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Cancels from Semarang, Weltevreden, Kotta Radja, Maos, Poerworedjo, Soerabaja, and Malang; all very common cancels.

I think of including this cover from Amoenthai (South Borneo) in my exhibit also: though not a rarity as such, it is a rather difficult squared circle to find on cover I think, and adds to the scope of the display
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This crisp, well-centered, clearly-dated squared circle showed up today: Blantyre, British Central Africa. Blantyre is currently the second-largest city in Malawi, with just over a million residents.

The stamp is Malawi/British Central Africa, SG #59.

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Honza, the city of Makassar/Macassar involves a strange bit of history. Excerpted from Wikipedia: (edited)

"...Macassar oil is a compounded oil used primarily by men in Victorian and Edwardian times as a hair conditioner to groom and style the hair.

It was popularised by Alexander Rowland (1747-1823), a celebrated London barber. It was then not uncommon for barbers to make their own hair preparations, and around 1783 Rowland began offering Rowland's Macassar Oil. Within two decades it had become hugely popular, and was aggressively advertised with extravagant claims of its effectiveness, becoming one of the first nationally advertised products.

The words "Macassar Oil" were registered as a trademark by A. Rowland & Sons, in 1888. Rowland's son (also named Alexander) later stated that a relative living in the island of Celebes in the Dutch East Indies had helped in procurement of the basic ingredient.

Macassar oil is often made with coconut oil or palm oil or that of Schleichera oleosa, combined with ylang-ylang oil (obtained by processing the flowers of the ylang-ylang tree, Cananga odorata) and other fragrant oils.

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Due to the tendency for the oil to transfer from the user's hair to the back of his chair, the antimacassar was developed. This is a small cloth (crocheted, embroidered or mass-produced), placed over the back of a chair to protect the upholstery."

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Montego Bay with reversed ↄ, I believe going by the Jamaica list (page 7 of this Topic) has regular C and C facing up so I guess this is a new one?

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Morning everyone, here is one that has me stumped. I don't believe it's a Brisbane Square Circle it looks like Registered Shanghai type. Any thoughts?

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Micky, just a guess but possibly a South. Aust. squared circle cancel :?:
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Yes I guess it would be, I was hoping for a Shanghai SC cancel, but I noticed the date doesn't line up the same with IST in Register. I will check the S.A Registered types to see if they match.

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Afternoon all, going by the India list of cancels, this one may be a new find.

Quilon in India.

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I found the following notes on the city name:

Kollam (IPA: [koɭɭəm]) or Quilon (Coulão), formerly Desinganadu, is an old seaport and city on the Laccadive Sea coast in Kerala, India on Ashtamudi Lake. [Wikipedia]

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Thanks for sharing that doug2222usa, I will check it out.

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Micky wrote: Afternoon all, going by the India list of cancels, this one may be a new find.
Quilon in India.

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Danby type B squared circle cancelations of British Indian Kollam Sub PO, located inside the territory of feudatory state of Tiruvitamkur, are very common.

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=655&p=4532314#p4532314

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The Quilon one is not a new find
It is known from June 1891 to December 1896
so this one would be a very late date as it is dated 25/5/1899 if I am not wrong

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If any body is interested in India Squared circles there is a great lot of Indian squared circle for sale at an auction in Canada ( www.maresch.com) .the auction will take on Thursday and this lot # 1658 includes 61 different covers with a lot of new finds Nevasa,Tamoluk,Naini tal /talli tal,Karajet-thana, Ramnagar, Ikbala, Shevapet and also a lot of very early dates or late dates.

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Fine cover, sent from Cape Town to Heidelberg, then redirected back to Stellenbosch with square Stellenbosch canceller on back.

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Cross posted at the Boer War thread. Recent pickup. Nice squared circle item with both a Cape and an Orange Free State cancel. Noticed the Ficksburg squared octagon cancel is 16 Aug/00, while the other markings indicated a 1901 year. Assumed it was a replacement for a damaged year slug or maybe Ficksburg didn't get an 01 year slug during the war given both had August dates in correct sequence.

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Got the cover and looked at the back (hadn't seen it prior). A Bloemfontain mark (right side) is also 1900, the rest other than the Graaff Reinet are hard to make out in terms and location and year, though there are definitely more 01 cancels.

So the question I left to the Boer War enthusiasts, and maybe the squared circle people would know, did OVS towns get 01 slugs? Or did this cover take just over a year to get its destination (being readdressed a number of times)?

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very interesting items

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kushti has given a nice interpretation of the Ficksburg cover chronology in the Boer War thread based on the OVS cancels not appearing in 1901. Conclusion - it took more than a year.

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Hi all,

I got some great Netherlands indies cancels today, here are some of the better strikes

Kraksaan
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Soerabaja

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Pati

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Klaten

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Semarang

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Pekalongan

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Klaten

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Tandjongpoera

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Medan

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Ambarawa

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Fort de Kock

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Kendal

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Madiden

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Cheribon

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Djokjakarta

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Rembang

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Pontianak

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Probolinggo

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Siboga

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Lawang

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Kediri

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Menado

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Pati

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Unfortunately the reference for these mentioned earlier in the thread does not seem to work now or perhaps is a members only area....
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I have followed this thread for couple of weeks and it is astonishing to see the large number of squared circle postmarks from around the world. Is there some sort of a central register of names (and dates) being maintained?

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visit this site
http://thesquaredcirclepostmarksworldwide.ca/

I have tried to show in that site all known square circles in the world

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For information to those of you who live near Toronto.
Tomorrow evening I am giving a presentation at the North Toronto Stamp Club on the " Square Circle Postmarks of British India" covering also also offices outside India such as Aden, Bushire etc.
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Netherlands Indies postal card from 1898 showing squared circle postmarks of BILLETON and N.-I. AGENCY SINGAPORE.

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Just got this notice today and put in my order. The new, updated Italian squared circle book (Gaggero) is now available for preorder. At 30 Euros plus shipping, I think it's an amazing amount of info amassed in one source (8000+ cancels now with earliest and latest years of usage). I think it's a steal at that price.

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Those interested in the squared circle postmarks of Canada will be interested to hear that Sparks Auctions of Ottawa, Canada will be selling the Ted Kerzner Squared Circles of Canada in our January 2017 auction. This sale will comprise of over 800 lots and have its own catalogue. It will also be hosted on Stamp Auction Network, with full colour images of most of the material. This is the largest ever assembled by far and includes several unique or rare hammers, usages, time marks, and more.

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Hi all, here are some new editions to my family 8)


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I think this is Machakos?
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Ted Kerzner was from Toronto and unfortunately passes away a couple of years ago.His passion and expertise on squared circle postmarks was incredible and he will be missed in the community of square circle postmarks collectors. I am sure that the auction of his Canada square circles will attract a lot of attention internationally

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This is a recent pickup. It's a commercial cover from the Societe Generale de Credit Industriel et Commercial and went from Paris, France on May 23 1877 arriving in Florence/Firenze 2 days later. Of course, the interesting cancel is that blue squared circle looking cancel from the bank, which sort of reminds me of certain Italian hotel cancels.

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Two things caught my interest: (a) it's French, and they did not postally use squared circle cancels and (b) it's 1877, which is early for this type of cancel. In fact, I consulted an old version of Cohen's British squared circle cancel book and found the first prototype was submitted to the Stamford Mercury newspaper in June 1878 (they chose a hooded circle cancel instead). The first GB squared circles were proofed in Sept 1879 and the striking faces of all of these hammers were made of hardened steel. So this means this French cancel would predate the GB prototype cancel by more than a year.

If it's genuine and not a fake cancel. Any opinions? Are there other Societe Generale de Credit Industrial et Commercial covers from this era to verify it's usage (or non-usage)?

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Hello Moloch

If you talk about the blue stamp, it is not postal but affixed by the Bank to give an indication of the date of sending to the recipient (I imagine ...).

Concerning the fold, I will say UGP tariff of 1 January 1876 - 30c for Italy.
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Thanks Alex for the reply. I realize the blue marking (cancel is the wrong word for it) was, if genuine, affixed by the bank. But it's design is interesting in that it strongly resembles the squared circle cancel that would come into being just a few years later. First it makes me think that maybe the GB squared circle wasn't just the result of sudden inspiration, but there were markings or cancels that resembled it that served as an example. And these, I would think the markings/cancels would be most likely from the GB itself (the GB octagonal experimental cancellations began 1880, so that's not the source).

And then it's interesting it's a marking from a French bank. Clearly this didn't result in France adopting the squared circle cancel, but somehow could this marking be connected to the what we think is the origin of the cancel itself? Or is it just serendipity that the concept was developed independently in two different countries?

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