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With my FDC collecting, I have always been on the look out for that error, that little something that will make my collection, just that little bit different to all the others.

Now I have just picked up a beauty. A Wesley First Day Cover, with such errors that I am not sure whether it was originally meant to be a JFK or an RFK cover. See what you think.

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The cachet says "Anniversary Death John F Kennedy".

The tab attached to the "P" stamp says Robert Kennedy, but then has JFK's portrait!

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The date of the postmark 6th June 2012 is the 44th Anniversary of the death of Robert Francis Kennedy, who died on 6th June 1968. JFK was assassinated on 22nd November 1963, so it is not JFK's Anniversary. The cachetmaker's response was that the tab should have said JFK & not RFK!

Does anyone else has similar philatelic gems? Please show them here.

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See also the following related thread on Sydney Stamp Centre (WCS):

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=16707&p=2324311

Is it a "philatelic gem", or just contrived?

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jimdotwalker wrote:See also the following related thread on Sydney Stamp Centre (WCS):

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=16707&p=2324311

Is it a "philatelic gem", or just contrived?
Yes I am aware of Michael's add ons. I have been privately a long time critic of his handywork. In relation to this cover I don't believe it is contrived. I just believe that Michael somehow managed to confuse two of the most famous people of the 20th Century. So confused was he that he believed the "P" stamp should have said JFK. I called it a "philatelic gem" because I could not believe that it was possible to make so many mistakes & not really know why he was producing the cover.
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This 1960 Melbourne Cup stamp was issued on 12th October 1960, but somehow this cover was postmarked 12th September 1960.
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A cover for the 2004 Australia Open done by Havilah Enterprises (Alpha Covers) which somehow was dated 10 years in advance (19th January 2014). Australia Post was not able to explain to me how this happened. As you can plainly see, the cachet was added on after the cover was postmarked.
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Here is a pretty one on my Rarity Page right now for $925 under the 11 year old ACSC retail. :)

1971 Aboriginal Art 35c Grave Posts with ALL Black Printing ("35c AUSTRALIA") Omitted:

Only 1 row 10, of one pane was so affected. (Pierron #994Mca - £2,000). Fresh well centred MUH.

Sir Gawaine Baillie's example sold for $A2,070 – years back. Tom Pierron's example sold for £1,150. One of the most visually striking of the Decimal missing colours. The country, value, and part of design are missing.

SG 497ab £1,800. ACSC 570c $A2,500 – back in 2002. And $925 under the 10 year old ACSC retail. $A1,575

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Just to show that Australia is not the only place to make errors!

Below are two covers prepared by John D Smith of Portland Oregon. He obtained 6 sheets of the Celebrate the Century 70's from the Beavercreek Post Office 3 days before the official release. He prepared the covers that night & took them back for cancelling the next day. After postmarking, he informed the postmaster of her mistake & no more were sold until the 18th November 1999.

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Beavercreek cancel dated November 16, 1999, two days before official date of issue.

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Official first day of issue postmark New York N Y, November 18, 1999.

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A unique cover prepared by Stampboarder, Noel, the Nightwatchman. It includes the Canadian Stamp for Kentucky Derby winner "Northern Dancer", the US stamp for Kentucky Derby winner "Secretariat" & the Australian Stamp for Melbourne Cup winner "Rising Fast" & this is where the error is! The postmark is Caulfield Victoria. In 2002 there was no Caulfield Post Office, it having closed in 1974 when Dandenong Road was widened. Something Australia Post could not answer when I asked.
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I have always liked this pse from Norfolk Island. it's the Bounty Bowling Tournament from 1982 & it is missing the red, green & brown printing.

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With the correct one to compare!
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Now what did some one forget here?
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Greenborough instead of Greensborough. It was used only on this day & then replaced with correct spelling.
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Specimen paintings set released 9th February 1983. As overprinted "specimen" the stamp is already cancelled & consequently no further cancellation is allowable.
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The 10/- Arms Stamp was issued on 3rd October 1949 but somehow was managed to be postmarked on 1st October 1949.
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Adelaide Cup 1980 Souvenir Covers are postmarked like this:

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Note the GPO Adelaide no 14 cds, 19th May 1980.

But I recently acquired this one:

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Note the Rundle Street FDI cds, 19th May 1980.

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This WSC FDC correctly shows the fdi of the Tulloch stamp as 18th October 1978.

Seems very odd that a Limited Edition souvenir cover changes post office.
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BigSaint wrote:Adelaide Cup 1980 Souvenir Covers are postmarked like this:...
This WSC FDC correctly shows the fdi of the Tulloch stamp as 18th October 1978.
Seems very odd that a Limited Edition souvenir cover changes post office.
BigSaint Brad, do you know who produced the Souvenir cover and the quantity done?
I may have an explanation :!:
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nightwatchman wrote:
BigSaint wrote:Adelaide Cup 1980 Souvenir Covers are postmarked like this:...
This WSC FDC correctly shows the fdi of the Tulloch stamp as 18th October 1978.
Seems very odd that a Limited Edition souvenir cover changes post office.
BigSaint Brad, do you know who produced the Souvenir cover and the quantity done?
I may have an explanation :!:
Noel, perhaps it was the same people who did the 1981 souvenir cover below. As it is on South Australian Jockey Club stationery, I am guessing they did this one & because the "cup" cachet is the same both years I am guessing they did 1980 as well.

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Of the 1980 version, the highest number I have seen is 394, so I am guessing 400 or 500 would be the most likely print run.

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As you know, 1980 was a hectic time for the local stamp market and that includes commemorative postmarks and souvenir covers.
The scramble for Pictorial pre-stamped envelopes and the relevant postmarks was on in earnest.

You are also aware that my publication Australian Post Office Souvenir Covers was in much demand at the time.
The regular updates of the Catalogue were facilitated by the provision of information on PO souvenir covers. Details of the designer, printer and postmarking numbers were freely available. In the good old days, each state in Australia had a dedicated officer titled 'State Philatelic Officer' to whom enquiries could be directed.

The souvenir cover displayed by you above was produced in 1980. The bulk of philatelic postmarking was done by hand at the time. It was also the era when covers were cancelled on the day and went on sale immediately, unlike nowadays with grace periods for postmarking.

The producer of your cover, the South Australian Jockey Club Adelaide, would have had the souvenir covers printed, numbered and stamped, ready for postmarking at the Adelaide GPO. Assuming that 500 were done, these would have been lodged with the SA State Philatelic Officer Adelaide GPO with a request for urgent postmarking and return.

It takes time and effort to do clear and neat philatelic postmarking. I assume that a batch of these covers was sent to the Rundle Street PO as the GPO could not cope with the lot on the day. At Rundle Street, the postal clerk roped in to cancel them, simply saw the race horse (Tulloch) stamp and the horse racing illustrated cover and applied the First Day of Issue postmark instead of the CDS.

The above assumptions of mine are based on the following extract from postal records supplied to me in the late 1970s by the PO when making inquiries for my souvenir cover catalogue and my cricket philatelic covers booklet.

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In this case, the work load to hand cancel the covers was distributed to 5 post offices north of the Melbourne GPO.

Technically, a whole batch of numbered covers would have been postmarked on 19 May 1980 at Rundle Street (Adelaide) and returned to the GPO for hand over to the Jockey Club.

It would be great if someone could tell you the full story including why the PM was asleep.
But, I am afraid, BigSaint Brad you will have to rely on my assumptions after 31 years. :)
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Noel, thankyou for that information but there is one further complication:

"Horse racing in Adelaide began in 1838 & the first Adelaide Cup was run at Thebarton in 1864. Since then the Adelaide Cup became part of the South Australia's annual racing schedule. There was a wartime ban on racing here in 1942 but that was lifted in 1944 & the Adelaide Cup was run again. Adelaide Cup received its public holiday status in 1973 & became officially known as the SKYCITY Adelaide Cup in 2005".

So the Post Office should have been closed in the Adelaide metropolitan area!

After 2005 the Adelaide Cup was moved to March, & the Adelaide Cup day holiday moved also (& is now the same day as Victoria's Labour Day).

However in the case of the Melbourne Cup postmarks of the 1980's, Flemington Post Office was open for 2 hours for postmarking (which the Bureau handling mail orders) on Melbourne Cup day. Hard to imagine that this would have been the case here but maybe it was. Do you know if this happened?

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BigSaint wrote:Noel, thankyou for that information but there is one further complication...However in the case of the Melbourne Cup postmarks of the 1980's, Flemington Post Office was open for 2 hours for postmarking (which the Bureau handling mail orders) on Melbourne Cup day[/color]. Hard to imagine that this would have been the case here but maybe it was. Do you know if this happened? Brad :)
I have now searched all my old souvenir cover records of 1980 but cannot find anything about the PO opening on Adelaide Cup Day.
On the other hand, souvenir covers with both hand and machine cancels for the Australian (Adelaide) Formula I Grand Prix race day are postmarked Adelaide SA 5000.
The inaugural race was run on Sunday 3 November 1985. Adelaide continued to host the Race to 1995, after which it went to Melbourne.


Both your horse racing souvenir covers are scarce covers.
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What a mess Mr Fawlty! :lol:

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One of the greatest Aussie Bands of all time & Mr Wesley Cover Service calls them "ACDA"

Write 100 times "It is ACDC not ACDA! :roll:
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I have number 119 in the Tulloch horse Racing Souvenir covers postmarked GPO Adelaide 19May80. Any good?

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amelqu8 wrote:I have number 119 in the Tulloch horse Racing Souvenir covers postmarked GPO Adelaide 19May80. Any good?
I don't think the number makes any difference unless you have number 1.

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I didn't mean the number itself, just the cover and p/m itself and the fact that one cover was posted for us to see. Wouldn't mind if it was worth something! haha

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amelqu8 wrote:I didn't mean the number itself, just the cover and p/m itself and the fact that one cover was posted for us to see. Wouldn't mind if it was worth something! haha
Here is a link to one currently up for sale on ebay, it's number 110.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Australia-Cover-1980-ADELAIDE-CUP-so ... 2c71975a06

Seller wants $8.00 for it.

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oh well, I'm not going to be a millionaire on that!! maybe i have a hidden gem somewhere in all my Australian FDC's. There are so many put out by AustPost,surely there'll be something in that lot worth all the money I have spent!

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The 2/- Norfolk Island bird postmarked above as fdi on 14 April 1965 when its actual fdi was 1st May 1961, as shown below.

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In 1971, Australia celebrated the Centenary of the Sydney Stock Exchange. Australia Post for this stamp issue produced a set of first day of issue cancels to be used with the commemorative stamp. There was a special postmark for each of the 5 cities that had a stock excahnge, Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Perth & Adelaide. An example of the Adelaide one is below:

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Nothing wrong here!

But then there is the cover below, addressed to a well known postmark collector:

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So how does this special 1971 fdi postmark be applied to the 1d QEII brown stamp, issued on 14th February 1966 & the 1968 Christmas Stamp?
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Norfolk Island Christmas stamp cancelled in Adelaide SA on day of issue, but Norfolk Island stamps have never been valid for postage in Australia. So why wasn't it taxed?
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Excelsior fdcs were produced by Ian Baglin of Williamstown (& later Blackburn) Victoria. His first fdc was Christmas 1966 (October) & his last Australia - Asia in January 1971. I believe he sold his blank fdcs through newsagents. He was prolific in his cachets often producing many colour combinations. Although some colour combinations or lack thereof were accidental, like this 1967 Lions issue:

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This one looks rather nice,

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& so does this one, but

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here is what it should look like!

As these covers are pencil addressed to Ian Baglin, he obviously saw the faults & kept them for himself.
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Now this Pioneer Life fdc looks right with the fdi postmark matching the cover:

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but what about this one postmarked at Latrobe University:

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It's one month early, being postmarked 15th October 1972, instead of 15th November 1972.
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This cachet commemorates pioneers of Australian history, correctly postmarked on fdi, 16th May 1973.

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So how did this same cachet be used on 15th November 1972, in conjunction with the Pioneer Life issue & cancelled on fdi of that issue;

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Some have tried to convince me that this May 1973 cachet would have been available in November 1972 but somehow I think someone just turned the date back!
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I have always thought the 35c value of the 1972 Christmas issue was one of the best Christmas stamps Australia has ever issued. The cachet on the Australia Post fdc also looks fantastic:

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However, it looks even better with most of the colours missing from the cachet on the fdc.

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I can only presume the postmaster picked this one out for himself.
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Colleen Woolley won't mind me taking this from Australian Pictormarks:

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Although there were 7276 cancels done, they are very highly priced (fdu $180). So if you were going to make one up, you would at least put stamps that were available in 1962 on the cover rather than the "new" decimal stamps that were released on 14th February 1966. Wouldn't you?

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14th February 1966 was when decimal currency came into use in Australia. However to assist with the changeover, decimal stamps were available for sale about a week earlier although they were not valid for use.

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Postmarked 9th February 1966.

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Postmarked 8th February 1966.

I didn't find out until recently that addressee, a local accountant, was some one I had known for years. I heard he had an interest in stamps & when I showed him these he admitted to doing them. He added not all were taxed, but the postman knocked his mother's door one day threatening serious trouble for her son if he did not stop using the decimal stamps before 14th February 1966.

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A Colorano silk fdc produced for the 100th Running of the Kentucky Derby. Colorano I believe produced their first fdc in 1973.

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What is the error you ask here? The error is in the cachet design. It states that Aristides won the Kentucky Derby in 1874. He actually won it in 1875, being the first year it was run.

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Incorrectly dated first day of issue, 1st December 1975, instead of 24th November 1975 which was the day of issue.
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BigSaint wrote:What a mess Mr Fawlty! :lol:

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One of the greatest Aussie Bands of all time & Mr Wesley Cover Service calls them "ACDA"

Write 100 times "It is ACDC not ACDA! :roll:
They'll be loving that one across the Ditch, Brad. Did you hear about the new Aussie alphabet...etc :)

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BigSaint wrote:Colleen Woolley won't mind me taking this from Australian Pictormarks:

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Although there were 7276 cancels done, they are very highly priced (fdu $180). So if you were going to make one up, you would at least put stamps that were available in 1962 on the cover rather than the "new" decimal stamps that were released on 14th February 1966. Wouldn't you?

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That 1972 Xmas cover is a gem Brad. :)

The the Jamboree the cds appears real so what was the story there?

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Forgot something?
Nothing on back either. :D
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BigSaint wrote:Colleen Woolley won't mind me taking this from Australian Pictormarks:

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Although there were 7276 cancels done, they are very highly priced (fdu $180). So if you were going to make one up, you would at least put stamps that were available in 1962 on the cover rather than the "new" decimal stamps that were released on 14th February 1966. Wouldn't you?

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That 1972 Xmas cover is a gem Brad. :)

The the Jamboree the cds appears real so what was the story there?

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I bought this off David Wood years ago. His opinion was it was done in the late sixties. Whether a run of different postmarks was done I don't know. But if you mock up something like this why use stamps not available at the time & why put it on a hand addressed cover.

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Maybe they used that cds year after year at Jamboree, and someone "fiddled" with year wheel at some point?

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patg wrote:Forgot something?
Nothing on back either. :D
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I guess there was a machine that put the stamps on & another that postmarked & either two envelopes stuck together & missed the stamp or it ran out of stamps.

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Global Administrator wrote:Maybe they used that cds year after year at Jamboree, and someone "fiddled" with year wheel at some point?
Unlikely as Jamborees or Corroborees changed location each time & PPA says there has only been one Hobart Corroboree. Therefore it would not have been taken to another Corroboree or Jamboree at a later time. Most likely someone in the back room of the Hobart GPO years later.

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This cover was apparently dropped in the "First Airdrop of Mail on Pitcairn Island on 21st February 1983. So what's wrong with that you ask?

Well the "Pitcairners of Norfolk Island PSE for George H P Christian was not issued by the Norfolk Island Post Office until 17th May 1983, almost 3 months later. So unless someone flew back time...........

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I bought these from a lady who was going through a FDC collecting stage many years ago. It was interesting to note that the correct date was applied to the first set...but the second set had an issue date nearly a month earlier! All from the same PO. Was this just the actions of an over zealous PO employee and how early were these stamps issued to the PO's compared to the release date?

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For the 1997 AFL Football Season the Footscray Football Club changed it's name to the Western Bulldogs. This necessitated a change of the "Bulldogs" pictorial postmark to the "Western Bulldogs".

So the old Bulldogs postmark was withdrawn on the 27th March 1997. Easter was early that year so Good Friday was on the 28th March 1997 & because of Easter the Post Office did not open for business until 1st April, 1997, so the first day of use of the new Western Bulldogs postmark was 1st April 1997.

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The above cover I sent off to the West Footscray Post Office & as you can see it has the old & the new, on the correct dates.

However, years later I found this one in a dealers 50c box:

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It appears Post Office staff became confused & used the new Western Bulldogs postmark, 5 days before official release.

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From the Norfolk Island Philatelic Bulletin:

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Firstly the date of issue is incorrectly printed in the Bulletin as 15th January 2001.

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And that date is repeated in the fdi postmark. However the postmark also calls the bird "Norfka" which is one of three names for the bird but the issue was called "Nuffka" as the fdc cachet correctly shows. The error in this postmark was detected before use & should have been destroyed but somehow it was used & if I remember correctly sold over the Post Office counter.

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Hi
I am looking for someone in the US who knows a bit about stamps as I have a error stamp and was woundering if someone could help me.

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Michael, you should post a scan of the stamp in question.

You should start a new thread too.

Call it something that makes sense like "please help me identify this american stamp"

You will get some answers in no time if you do that but we aren't telepathic. We need to see the stamp.
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Now how does that rhyme go, 30 days have September, & all the rest I can't remember? No, it's 30 days have September, April, June & November, all the rest have 31, except February which has 28, except in a leap year when it has 29.

Perhaps someone should have told the postmaster then he would not have postmarked it 291.
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