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Bear thanks for posts.

Last one is easy since all this issue were with serrated perforation approx 13.5. Referred to as rouletted too.

Flat plate block 317 looks like HT, try zooming on on it and looking at my diagram of the possible ST´s.

Flat plate block 318

Generally a scratchy print and I can see several weak of small breaks elsewhere.

I like the unlisted break let us add it to the ís there another like this list?`

Note that on same scan of the enlarged area there are several other little breaks. I think this is a general printing of the plate problem as can happen with the fiddly lines they have on plate.

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John here are some of my varietries ;
Mi.280 with ghosting affect.
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Mi.290 middle 0 chopped top.
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Mi.288 I 5 Joined and overprint hard to read.
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Mi.295 Overprint downwards.
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Mi.309 Overprint upwards and thickened. (could this be serrated ?)
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Late reply Bear sorry, been away.

Ghosting effect a printing problem (obviously maybe) patchy ink.

Chopped letters common enough and some listed, some not.

Poor OP 75 Tausend, again common and some ´slippage`, when printed.

The OP movements are common and unless they are very dramatic.

The last OP mover is in fact serrated (Mi. 309 BP) used CV €200 for your shade!

Keep em coming.

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Thanks John
Will try and list a few more on the weekend !

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Mi.244 (40M)
R/H frame Irregular/farmer behind at end if object he is holding is missing /white shading missing under right arm of farmer with harrow/sickle !
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Main farmer, lines below chest missing,irregular white patches under womens arm !
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John ..Mi.56a or b ..I think it is rose ?
Also has a white spot lower r/h frame !
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John ...Mi. 146 I ;

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John ..Mi.291-a
Dent in d ;

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John ..Mi.312 Abf div. flat top 2 ?

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I will be back posting here soon. Been busy renovating my shed!

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So I have a question... I now have 11 inflation pairs with HAN numbers. (start of a side collection I guess). My question is simply this. Does a HAN number apply to multiple shades of a numbered stamp? If so all shades and variants? Lets take Michel 203 (discussed on page 1). There are two variants all on white-brown-ocher

203a (** 3 euro)
blackish brown-ocher
black brown-ocher (lighter shade)
bright brown
brown (shade of bright brown)
203b (** 130 euro)
dark orange-brown
blackish orange-brown

So in total there are essentially 6 colors classified by two price categories

This has two recognized HAN numbers

H7993.21
H2565.22

So did this numbers apply to all 6 color varieties? Part of the reason I ask.... I "think" I may have a pair of 203b with H7993.21. However at a HAN price of ** 25 euro, this would be representative of the cheaper 203a (ie. it is about 10x the value) - but that would not apply to 203b. Does that exclude my stamps as a 203b? or do the HAN numbers apply to all stamp color variants and the HAN price is the base "multiplier"?

I also wanted to ask so I kind of know how to assemble my album pages for this.....
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Hi Jadrake,

I would "guess" that any printing has the possibility of an ink colour variation so a particular HAN would not exclude the possibility of a colour variation. There would be exceptions where there are early and late printings where the ink formula was varied due to shortages. Then it's possible that the "brown" variations in your example may be earlier (1921) and the "Orange Browns" may have been from a different later run (1922).

I believe the number after the full stop is the year and the first part of the number is the Printing Order Number. I'm just basing this on what I have seen and read so it is an "educated guess" but I'm sure others will have a definitive answer.

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I don't collect HAN pairs so am no expert.

However I do know that there are pairs of 203a and 203b with HAN 7993.21.

As Darren points out the last 2 numbers refer to the year so in this case the colour variations are not confined to specific years.

As to how much the HAN affects the price of the 203b - I'm afraid I have no idea. At auction I believe a mint HAN pair goes for about 70-80 Euros.

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Thanks everyone.... I may just need to make up pages for HAN Numbers and then add supplemental pages for unique combinations (like a four-block showing HAN) or a rarer color variety/perforation.

For the valuation, I think that is some good guidance as a NET value. I generally enter a CV and then can calculate a NET based on condition and a few other factors.

In this case, even if they are 203a instead of 203b... I still got a steal...... about $750-900 CV in stamps (depending on whether it is a 203b HAN Pair) for $0.99 + about $3.00 in SH from Germany. While the buy stated it was 199-204, they only showed a picture of a 199a in the profile picture. When you dove into the lot, you saw there was 5 HANs, 6 pairs and a bunch of singles. One HAN (3m orange) has a couple of rust spots, and a few others had light diagonal gum creases, but overall pretty decent. Either way a steal at 0.5% CV
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Just wanted to cross link the thread to a new thread I started on the Federal Republic stamps (flaws and oddities) http://stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=62520
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I did post earlier I thought but I lost it between leaving on computer and tending to dogs.
I will try again a little later.

I like the idea of the Fed republic and look forward to participating Jadrake.

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Been busy but back more now.

Showing examples of interesting things to look out for with Michel 154 and 155 (1921).

Mi.154 PF IV (field 26).

Distances measured using computer software. Have 30 examples measuring between 6.2 and 6.8 and only one shown at significant 7.2mm. €400 used! Mine NHM with some chaffing (2015 value €160). Worth measuring a few.


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Mi.155 PF IV.field 6.

Opinions please on how much lower the right hand 3 has to be to qualify as PFIV?

I have 20 examples that are normal (level 3s).

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Enlargement of right hand stamp.

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Again worth a careful look €350 used!

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Ahoj John!

Welcome back - interesting scans.

May I ask what computer software you use to measure the overprints?

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Hello Honza.

I am Mac owner and use Photoshop measure or Gimp with its measure facility.

I am intrigued as to earlier methods of measuring precisely.

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Germany 1921-3 Genuine Postal Use Clues

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There must be some criteria for concluding genuine postal use [for German stamps from the inflationary period 1921-3 Scott #133-321] aside from still being on cover, or these stamps couldn't be expertized (maybe they can't). When the gum is gone and there is no adhesion remaining on the back of the stamp, clues if they exist must be in the postmark, and we all could use some clues because nobody can pay to expertize a stamp that has a value of $2.25. Here are my ideas and I welcome any more.

1. Handstamping over sheets at a time as fast as possible should lead to the commonly encountered pattern of circular datestamps that overlap, an indicator of probable CTO (canceled to order). If a circular datestamp is all on it's own, this may indicate a greater possibility of postal use.

2. Some postmark forms may not have been used on CTO bulk cancelling, such as the single circle flanked by straight lines, or words inside a rectangle.

3. Since remainder status would have been bestowed on sheets as the currency inflated rapidly, the date (if visible) may be an indicator, depending on the issue. For example, Scott #137-155 were the first of these particular designs (A26-A32) and were issued in 1921. By 1922 new issues were necessary to keep up with inflation. If the postmark date on the 1921 issues with the lozenge watermark (no. 125) is visible, as it often is, and reads 1921, this might be an indicator of a probable postal use candidate. If it reads 1922, it might be likely CTO.

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jstubbs wrote: 1. Handstamping over sheets at a time as fast as possible should lead to the commonly encountered pattern of circular datestamps that overlap, an indicator of probable CTO (canceled to order). If a circular datestamp is all on it's own, this may indicate a greater possibility of postal use.
I'd counter that the opposite may just as likely be true. CTO are likely to be neat, corner cancels and multiple use of, say 20 x 500,000 Mark stamps on cover to make up a 10 Million Mark rate is likely to have overlapping cancels.

I think as with all these things, the devil is in the detail, and the experts look for correct use of the correct canceller.

With Danzig, for example, there are characteristics of the cancellers used for CTOing (of that's even a word!) that aren't present on the cancellers used for postal usage.

Also, I think the real problem is not CTOs but outright faked cancels - which the experts should be able to identify readily.

Hopefully someone with the necessary expertise will be along soon to help us, but sadly we recently lost Europhil, our foremost expert on "Middle Period Middle Europe". :(

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I like your initial counter. That makes good sense to me. I am interested in any clues that anyone might know about, or any features in the postmark where one could say 'Ah yes, that is an indicator of postal use.' We all have many of these stamps, but cannot expertise because the cost doesn't justify.

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If I recall correctly there are specific dates and town cancels that are extremely likely to be faked.....or more correctly, mass-produced ("canceled") years later to defraud collectors.

Not too long after 1923, stamp collectors in Germany sought the scarce, used contemporaneously issues and realized there was a great demand for them genuinely used.

Dealers and unethical collectors, often with the collaboration of postal employees looking to benefit financially, kept busy especially as there were vast quantities of full sheets of stamps literally selling for next to nothing.

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Hand-canceling multiple---usually entire sheets, using pilfered or "borrowed" cancelers, years after the canceler's indicated date---was quite common. There is a German site online I've been to which lists the common dates and towns which nearly always indicate the cancel is "back-dated" rendering it completely valueless.

The cancels are usually real, just applied many years later!

this site (in German but can be translated easily, I think) explains a lot:

https://www.philastempel.de/stempel/suchen/ablage/684

Also there is a well-known Union of German Philatelists (BPP=Bund Deutscher Philatelisten) Expertizer named Rolf Tworek who in 2001 issued a very helpful and detailed publication:

Falschstempel und der Inflationszeit
(Fake Cancels and the Inflation Era)


discussing Stempelrueckstellung ("back-dating" cancels) and listing the majority of back-dated "cancels".

One has to be especially careful as there were legitimate uses of certain dates and towns--but the vast majority are faked.

Knowing the difference is never a certainty even for the "experts"!
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For an article I am writing I'd like to illustrate a cover showing a MASSIVE amount of franking ... ideally an overseas cover to USA etc.

Does anyone have one they can share here please? :)

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This kind of MASSIVE franking I am hoping to find. John Crow gave me a few far less franking one but maybe a larger one is out there?
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This is a typical late-period INFLA cover which I found posted at an auction site; just not sure about using someone's image--is simple attribution sufficient?

I have a few like this myself; just can't dig them out right now. Most high-multiple frankings use overlapping to get the highest number of stamps on a cover!
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As I am relatively new to using stampboards.com, it is a bit disconcerting (but interesting) to see new topic dialogs suddenly combined with content from previous dialogs that bear a similar topic heading.

Whereas John Crow's detailed postings of plate variants and flaws from earlier this year are fascinating, I am still interesting in trying to stay on track with postmark criteria that might offer clues to genuine postal use in the German inflationary period 1921-3.

This conversation is interesting and so far has successfully struck down two of my proposed criteria. First is that multiple overlapping circular datestamps on a single stamp increase the probability of CTO.

I can see now this is clearly not true. Second is that an 'earlier' date on the postmark, one closer to the date a set was first issued, increases the probability of genuine postal use.

Because backdated cancelers were "borrowed" for bulk canceling at a later date, this is also not true. One interesting criteria specifically targets cancels known to almost certainly be fake, as listed on the German website at:

http://www.philastempel.de/stempel/suchen/ablage/684

But specific postmark identification is difficult at best, and some illegitimate postmarks were previously used for legitimate postal use.

The one issue not addressed is certain forms of postmarks which may indicate a probability of genuine postal use. Two that come to mind are the form of a circular datestamp flanked by horizontal lines. Another is non-circular, rectangular postmarks.
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jimwentzell wrote:
This is a typical late-period INFLA cover which I found posted at an auction site; just not sure about using someone's image--is simple attribution sufficient?

I have a few like this myself; just can't dig them out right now. Most high-multiple frankings use overlapping to get the highest number of stamps on a cover!
Thanks Jim, but that one is loose pocket change franking!

The Registered letter illustrated above was posted on December 6, 1923 from Berlin Germany. It was correctly franked for the destination - New York City, U.S.A. The total face value of all 15 stamps is 15 x 50 billion = 750 billion Marks! This crazy inflation was one of factors that facilitated the rise to power in Germany of Hitler and his Nazi Party.

I am REALLY keen to find a good photo for an article, of such a massive franking overseas. Surely SOMEONE can see one in an Auction, or has one themselves?

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Seeing I sadly cannot find a scan of the 50 Milliarde in multiple on cover, does anyone here have these 3 stamps they can scan for me today in good quality on one stockcard to assist?

Writing an article on these, and deadline is 8 hours away!
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late due to time difference.
Sending anyway

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Posted before, but see that this amazing thread has some serious detalailed info and collectors here.

Maybe someone can give some more details on this flaw..

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Never seen a stamp from utsche before :)

Thanks in advance.

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Very interesting. Mi926 a or c. Also the color (unless your scanner is way off) could be the bright lilac-ultramarine (although with the blues you need to line them up to compare with Michel color guides). I do not have the Ostemann books on the plate flaws yet, although I do have many pages as a scan. In my pages of 25pf (covering ~ 25+ plate flaws), this is not listed but I do have pages missing (depending on the edition - it is about 3 pages covering 15 faults - I am hoping to buy the book later this fall). Also the inner box frame below the "UTSCHE" is weak in several places. Too bad about the weak upper right perf corner.

Unless if someone can confirm it is not in the Ostermann books, it is likely a one-off print error from over linking or something (not cleaning plate etc).

Currently we do not really have a thread going for 1945-49 Germany (non-Russian) issues even though they are my favorite. For your info, the inflation period is generally from 1919 to around 1923 (when the new Reichmark was introduced). All part of the Weimar republic until its fall in 1933 (you probably know who came to power after that)

Interesting. Send me a message if you are looking to sell, as I might like to add it to my collection

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Jason.

Thanks for your great reply.

Was already afraid it was no normal flaw, but an incident like you say. Could not find anything that would make it an constant error. Just have an michel cat. here, and it sure is not telling me anything about it.

Also a real shame about the top right perf, kind of kills alot now. But ok, thanks alot, and i keep looking for more info.

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Inverted overprint.

Might be common though..

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No monetary value but interesting: 1920 Official stamps issued in Oberschlesien, yours being Michel 3 (Reich officials Michel 16 to 22 were overprinted).

Overprints are common and there are 20 variants listed in Michel (Band 1 German version).

Fun to try and get them all. I add poor scans from catalogue to illustrate the variation. Yours number IV.


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Ok. That are alot of different ways for the overprint.

They hired somebody who was blind maybe :).

Thanks for your scan!! Now lets see how many different i have here. For sure not all of them.

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I just picked up an auction lot of European stamps and postal history that I bought blind. Oddly there was a small camembert container amongst all the covers and stamps.

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I was a little worried as the parcel had been on route for 3 weeks - but there was no smell, so I figured the cheese must still be edible and was looking forward to a snack while I checked the rest of the contents :D

However it was not cheese after all…

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I have had a look at this great thread and it looks like I have Michel 208 and 231. Can someone help confirm this? I have not come across entire coils like this, and suspect they must be quite rare for singles to require certification as confirmation that they are coil stamps rather than from sheets?

Appreciate any feedback on this.

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PS: edited after taking a closer look at the thread to find the 2 shades.

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These do not look like full coil strips. The full strips had a wrapper around them. And there is a lot in each coil..... I will dig up a photo to show. However, strips of 11 are collectable, as 11 stamps can not exist in a sheet of 100 ie. 10 x 10, therefore it proves it came from a coil.

Nice find. I'll look up the Michel value for you in strips of 11.

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Ok, the brown + yellowish roll these stamps are Michel 208 W R and a strip of 11 is valued at 90 euro. The all brown 30m stamp is Michel 231 a R or 231 b R (the difference is color. Dark yellow-brown to bright sienna vs. brown to blackish brown. Yours looks brown to me, but your mileage will vary without comparisons. The value of these are 85 euro and 10 euro respectfully.

A complete roll will look like this (courtesy of member and friend Iain Craven's webstore - bcstamps.co.uk):
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I should mention, don't get too excited about the strips making you hundreds... for the 208 W R this sells for around $9 on ebay.de

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Thanks for the comprehensive replies Jason. Well even $9 for a strip of 11 will be worth more than the original contents of the container!

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Thank you for starting this tread johnrcrow. I refer to it often.

I need help identifying this shade on a 3000M stamp. I believe it is a Mi. 254d (bottom stamp) but I do not have any reference to go by. Any help would be appreciated.
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I will be back later to answer this one in detail.

We are in the area of difficulty of assessing computer scanned shades. Not easy but I will post a number of like stamps and we can see whether you have the more difficult to find 254d.

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In answer to Dominic. I am having fun with this. The 3000M shade area always has me slightly perplexed and I needed to sort out my lot so here goes.

English version of Michel defines the shades

254a (blackish-) ochre brown (shades) dark (yellow)-brown).
254b blackish-brown-ochre to dark brown (brown-reddish brown)
254c dark grey-black-(grey) brown (shades) (dark grey-brown)
254d black-(grey)brown (black grey-brown).

Already the mind boggles at the rather complex descriptions.

254d the only one with high CV of Hm €90 NHM €220 used €400, so it is SCARCE.

Basically the shades are are reddish or greyish browns.

Initial look at your two is one is reddish (orang´ish) other lower one is greyísh. So either c or d.

I have proofed examples of a, b and c. Here they are in an untampered scan.

1. Proofed examples of Mi. 254

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I am not too convinced about the proofing from a by eye assessment. So in order to bring out the shades I altered the saturation levels.


2. Proofed examples of Mi. 254 with increased saturation.

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Now we can see the differences in shades and there are certainly discrepancies in identification.

In the 254a proofed we have definite orange stamp one (top left) but the other two vary.

In the 254b proofed we have darker red brown stamps one and three, then orange stamp in centre.

In the 254c we have stamp one with darker greyish brown then two with darker orange brown.

Summing up it looks to me that the proofing was wrong and that the definitions should be as below.

3. Altered definitions of proofed Mi. 254 a to c.


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Even more contrast and saturation change results in vivid changes as below.


4. Proofed examples of Mi. 254 with max saturation.


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Where an I going with this? It seems that increasing saturation a little brings out the shaw differences. I am open to other´s suggestions- comments as to the usefulness of this. Of course the proofing was done before computers for the stamps, I assume by magnification and comparison.

Your twostamps can be subjected to same saturation although of course you have a different scanner etc and the only true comparison would be to scan your samops with mine.

5. Dominic stamps normal.

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6. Dominic stamps increased saturation.

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More to come, posting this so as not to get two larger file.

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More on Dominic question.

Using increased saturation ´method´, I looked at some of my stocks. I add scans below before and after adjustment. It is meant to illustrate and not for detailed examination, scans cover all page.



7. Page of 254 no digital interference.

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8. Same page as in 7 with increased saturation and estimates of shade.

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I am saying that it was easier to pick out the shades using this method.

I also have a given as d stamp and compared this to the proofed c. and what I did notice was that the intensity of the red in central fancy ellipse was higher in the c proofed. I have checked the proofed 254 d on e bay and most have the less intense orange (but not all- I suspect there are many c´s masquerading as d´s on net).


9. C proofed against a 254d (given not proofed).

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10. As in 9 with saturation levels up.

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Fin
ally for now here are Dominics stamps with saturation levels right up. Note the orange in central fancy ellipse.

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Conclusions. To be argued.

a. Altering the saturation helps idenitify shades of 254.
b. Proofed examples are not necessarily correct.
c. Separating the a and b from c is not so difficult
d. Identifying the 254d is not easy.
e. Dominic´s second stamp is a 254c.
f. After looking at the 254d proofed for sale on e bay I am loathe to buy any.


Please feel free to discuss, criticise and enjoy debate.

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I like the idea of using technology to determine shades/colors johnrcrow. It eliminates the "human" interpretation and takes out any guesswork. The study of optics has improved so much that serious thought to standardization of colors and shades in the realm of stamp collecting could be devised. However, many collectors may be opposed to the idea of standardizing which could also lead to loss of value in one's collection or opinions. On the other hand, it could improve the study of stamp production and give a cooperative consensus to the publishers of stamp catalogues and collectors. New discoveries could be at hand as well.

Back to the 3000M stamp in question. I want to discuss this shade with a friend that has many years of experience in print production. I would like to know how the latest optical technology has improved in the industry and get his opinion on the idea of using this technology for the stamp collector.

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The problem is that stamps can change shade/tone over time due to storage conditions, fading in light, moisture considerations, chemical changes in atmospheric pollutants, etc.

Initial views and considerations on shade were made initially looking at different stamps from various print sequences. Later authentications are more difficult where there are several similar shads listed.

Postmark dates help greatly with some German stamps though, as with other countries.

I am more disturbed by older proofing of stamps as they seem to be ´wrong`. I have many proofed stamps that vary greatly in shade from each other but are validated as being the same. We can put this down to shade alteration in time or just that the proofer got it wrong.

I doubt whether technology can answer shade fixing, there are other threads dealing with this.

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Diversion. I was sorting my high mark values and came across this one.

3 Mark 26 x 17 perforation holes where Michel 96 AI 1905- CV = €3 used
and later war print 96 A II 26 x 17 CV = €650.

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Given as A II so whee however, 96A II began life only in 4.5.1919. Plot thickens. So date on stamp defies this and we are back to cheap AI. However, what is the actual date stamp?

24.7.18? 24.7.11 or 24. 7.19?

I add last because it looks like someone tried to fiddle the 19. I believe the date was 24.7.11 and that crude attempt was made to turn the stamp into a more valuable item.
The 18 on right date stamp complicates this.

First two dates fix it as A I.

Higher scan of the two date stamp areas with 11, 18 or 19.

Left date stamp a crude nine apparent ?

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Right date stamp 18 but remains of 1 above, no attempt to rid lower part of 8.

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Any ideas on this? Stamp seems to have quality of peace time printing.

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I personally think it is an "8". That someone either tried to make a "9" or it could also have simply been someone careless with a pen/marker..... (it happens)

Either way, not "11"

Just my opinion.

I live the contrast adjustment on the shades... nice find there.
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Just back into action and stamping again.

Some examples of perforated stamp problems are shown below.

Anyone with mis perforation examples feel free to post.


Scan 1. Michel 313A. Double perforated.


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Scan 2. Block of Michel 312B (rouletted) perfs moved right


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Scan 3. Close up bottom right stamp 312B


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Scan 4. 314. Top imperforate? Any ideas as to how this is defined.


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By Michel standards the last is not a top imperforate, and most certainly a mis perf. I would imagine something got messed up in the perf process. Imperforate top would have no perforation at all.... usually appears on marginal copies vs. horizonal imperforate between for a missed perf. Row. Interesting oddity, but in the same class as the 2mil
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