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Re: Detailed look at my German Inflation era Postage Stamps

Posted: 13 Jul 2020 19:14
by johnrcrow
Thanks maptrekker.

Some of the bar aberrations can be ascribed to particular OPDs. I will see what I come up with.

Just thought it might be enlightening to view the very many printing problems seen when one has accumulated examples of the inflation stamps. I scanned the stamps in an attempt to re organise them. Next is to get them in better order.

John

Re: Detailed look at my German Inflation era Postage Stamps

Posted: 14 Jul 2020 05:30
by johnrcrow
Some more basket issue printing issues.
Double perforation on Mi. 303AP
Double perforation on Mi. 303AP





Mis perforation Mi.304A
Mis perforation Mi.304A




Mi.304A with notched on ´1`
Mi.304A with notched on ´1`





Mi.317A with tip of ´5`missing
Mi.317A with tip of ´5`missing





Mi.318A ink spot and damaged ´O`
Mi.318A ink spot and damaged ´O`

Re: Detailed look at my German Inflation era Postage Stamps

Posted: 14 Jul 2020 05:33
by johnrcrow
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Re: Detailed look at my German Inflation era Postage Stamps

Posted: 14 Jul 2020 05:37
by johnrcrow
Mi.333P Large OP shift
Mi.333P Large OP shift






Mi.333P Warped bars
Mi.333P Warped bars









Mi.333P Broken tip of ´5`
Mi.333P Broken tip of ´5`

Re: Detailed look at my German Inflation era Postage Stamps

Posted: 14 Jul 2020 05:39
by johnrcrow
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Re: Detailed look at my German Inflation era Postage Stamps

Posted: 14 Jul 2020 05:44
by johnrcrow
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Re: Detailed look at my German Inflation era Postage Stamps

Posted: 14 Jul 2020 05:52
by johnrcrow
Mi 337 examples of errors
Mi 337 examples of errors

Re: Detailed look at my German Inflation era Postage Stamps

Posted: 28 Jul 2020 19:48
by johnrcrow
Just ´discovered`my album containing the HAN (job numbers on pairs).

This can be an interesting area to collect and achieving a complete series of the high inflation period for mint stamps is not too difficult.

Only a few with printing errors are ranked as having a higher CV but in the main, the mint versions are reasonable and plentiful. Of course genuinely used examples are rare and hence expensive (I admire those who obtained and used these HANS to post).

Here is the Michel table for Mi 313 to Mi. 330 (rosette basket lids issues) and the table for Mi. 333 to Mi. 337.

The pricing are out if date (the Cvs are from older English version of Michel specialised) and I would add about 10% to the ones shown).

Michel table for HAN for Mi 313 to 330 (rosette basket lids issues).
Michel table for HAN for Mi 313 to 330 (rosette basket lids issues).


Michel table for HAN for Mi 333 to 337 (rosette basket lids issues).
Michel table for HAN for Mi 333 to 337 (rosette basket lids issues).

Here are two pages showing spread I have.




Note that there is no reported HAN for Mi.315 and Mi.320, so I have a ´set`for HANs for 313 to 330 though of course I have not shown (or own) all variants in HAN numbering and some serrated (B) HANs.

I am missing Mi.333 HAN and Mi.337 (I will look elsewhere for these).




HAN for Mi. 313 to Mi. 324.
HAN for Mi. 313 to Mi. 324.




HAN for Mi. 325 to Mi. 330 and Mi.333 to Mi.336. Plus Mi.84 Official Hans.
HAN for Mi. 325 to Mi. 330 and Mi.333 to Mi.336. Plus Mi.84 Official Hans.


Some enlargements next.

Re: Detailed look at my German Inflation era Postage Stamps

Posted: 28 Jul 2020 20:19
by johnrcrow
Enlargement 1. Mi.313 A P HAN H 5582.23 /H 5582.23 (in brown).



Mi.313 A P HAN H 5582.23 /H 5582.23
Mi.313 A P HAN H 5582.23 /H 5582.23





Enlargement 2. Mi.314 A P HANs, H 5686.23
Mi.314 A P HANs, H 5686 23 and H 5686 . 23
Mi.314 A P HANs, H 5686 23 and H 5686 . 23





Note the messy right upper corner horn.


Messy horn on Mi.324 HAN
Messy horn on Mi.324 HAN

Re: Detailed look at my German Inflation era Postage Stamps

Posted: 29 Jul 2020 01:47
by johnrcrow
Enlargement 3. Mi.316 A P HAN, H 5886.23

Mi.316 A P HAN, H 5886.23
Mi.316 A P HAN, H 5886.23





Enlargement 4. Mi.317 A P HAN, H 5687. 23

Mi.317 A P HAN, H 5687.23
Mi.317 A P HAN, H 5687.23




Enlargement 5. Mi.318 A P HAN H 5887 . 23

Mi.318 A P HAN H 5887 .23
Mi.318 A P HAN H 5887 .23




Enlargement 6. Mi.318 B P HAN H 5887 . 23

Mi.318 B P HAN H 5887 .23
Mi.318 B P HAN H 5887 .23

Re: Detailed look at my German Inflation era Postage Stamps

Posted: 29 Jul 2020 01:56
by johnrcrow
Enlargement 7. Mi.319 A P HAN H 5888 . 23

Mi.319 A P HAN H 5888 . 23
Mi.319 A P HAN H 5888 . 23




Enlargement 8. Mi.319 B P HAN H 5888 . 23


Mi.319 B P HAN H 5888 . 23
Mi.319 B P HAN H 5888 . 23




Enlargement 9. Mi.321 A P HAN H 5885 . 23


Mi.321 A P HAN H 5885 . 23
Mi.321 A P HAN H 5885 . 23




Enlargement 10. Mi.321 B P HAN H 5885 . 23



Mi.321 B P HAN H 5885 . 23
Mi.321 B P HAN H 5885 . 23

Re: Detailed look at my German Inflation era Postage Stamps

Posted: 29 Jul 2020 02:06
by johnrcrow
Enlargement 11. Mi.322 A P HAN H 5955 . 23



Mi.322 A P HAN H 5955 . 23
Mi.322 A P HAN H 5955 . 23






Enlargement 12. Mi.322 A P HAN H 6021 . 23



Mi.322 A P HAN H 6021 . 23
Mi.322 A P HAN H 6021 . 23

Re: Detailed look at my German Inflation era Postage Stamps

Posted: 29 Jul 2020 05:28
by johnrcrow
Enlargement 13. Mi.323 A P HAN H 5955. 23


Mi.323 A P HAN H 5955. 23
Mi.323 A P HAN H 5955. 23




Enlargement 14. Mi.323 A P HAN H 6022. 23


Mi.323 A P HAN H 6022. 23
Mi.323 A P HAN H 6022. 23



Enlargement 15. Mi.323 B P HAN H 6024. 23

Mi.323 B P HAN H 6022. 23
Mi.323 B P HAN H 6022. 23





Enlargement 16. Mi.324 A P HAN H 6022. 23


Mi.324A P HAN H 6024. 23
Mi.324A P HAN H 6024. 23

Re: Detailed look at my German Inflation era Postage Stamps

Posted: 29 Jul 2020 05:40
by johnrcrow
Enlargement 17. 2 x Mi.325 A P HAN H 6274. 23


2 x Mi.325 A P HAN H 6274. 23
2 x Mi.325 A P HAN H 6274. 23








Enlargement 18. Mi.326 A P HAN H 6297. 23



Mi.326 A P HAN H 6297. 23
Mi.326 A P HAN H 6297. 23








Enlargement 19. Mi.326 B P HAN H 6297. 23



Mi.326 B P HAN H 6297. 23
Mi.326 B P HAN H 6297. 23







Enlargement 20. Mi.327 A P HAN H 6308. 23


Mi.327 A P HAN H 6308. 23
Mi.327 A P HAN H 6308. 23

Re: Detailed look at my German Inflation era Postage Stamps

Posted: 29 Jul 2020 05:54
by johnrcrow
Enlargement 21. Mi.327 B P HAN H 6308. 23


Mi.327 B P HAN H 6308. 23
Mi.327 B P HAN H 6308. 23








Enlargement 22. Mi.328 A P HAN H 6309. 23


Mi.328 B P HAN H 6309. 23
Mi.328 B P HAN H 6309. 23











Enlargement 23. Mi.329 A P HAN H 6310. 23


Mi.329 A P HAN H 6310. 23
Mi.329 A P HAN H 6310. 23









Enlargement 24. Mi.330 BP HAN H 6310. 23


Mi.330 B P HAN H 6311. 23
Mi.330 B P HAN H 6311. 23

Re: Detailed look at my German Inflation era Postage Stamps

Posted: 29 Jul 2020 06:10
by johnrcrow
Just noticed there is NO Mi.332 HAN listed.




Enlargement 25. Mi.333 A P HAN H 5886 . 23


Mi.333 A P HAN H 5886 . 23
Mi.333 A P HAN H 5886 . 23







Enlargement 26. Mi.334 A P HAN H 5887 . 23



Mi.334 A P HAN H 5887 . 23
Mi.334 A P HAN H 5887 . 23





Enlargement 27. Mi.335 A P HAN H 5888 . 23


Mi.335 A P HAN H 5888. 23
Mi.335 A P HAN H 5888. 23






Enlargement 28. Mi.336 A P HAN H 5885 . 23



Mi.336 A P HAN H 5885. 23
Mi.336 A P HAN H 5885. 23

Re: Detailed look at my German Inflation era Postage Stamps

Posted: 14 Sep 2020 08:56
by johnrcrow
Browsing some letters.

Here is one with a peculiar date before the stamps were issued in November 1923!

Did someone forget to alter the 8 to an 11?

1.
German postage letter with pre-dated cancels
German postage letter with pre-dated cancels






2.
Close up of cancellation date on German postage letter with pre-dated cancellations..
Close up of cancellation date on German postage letter with pre-dated cancellations..









3. Here is one suggesting that the rate should be 112 billion Marks and yet only 28 billion worth of stamps were used. I am assuming that destination was outside Germany?


Underpaid German post letter.
Underpaid German post letter.








4. Two more letters with same description in German for underpaid.

Please correct me by properly translating the German and expertise.




Underpaid German post letters.
Underpaid German post letters.




5. Letter with mixed old and new currency stamps.


German post letter dated 2.12.23 with mixed currency stamps.
German post letter dated 2.12.23 with mixed currency stamps.


Close up of German post letter dated 2.12.23 mixed currency stamps.
Close up of German post letter dated 2.12.23 mixed currency stamps.

Re: Detailed look at my German Inflation era Postage Stamps

Posted: 14 Sep 2020 09:25
by faro
johnrcrow wrote:
14 Sep 2020 08:56
3. Here is one suggesting that the rate should be 112 billion Marks and yet only 28 billion worth of stamps were used. I am assuming that destination was outside Germany?



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As noted in the description and this article, the stamps were rated at 4x their nominal value from 26/11 through 30/11.
112 Billion Marks is sufficient for a non-local letter weighing 20 to 100 grams.

Pretty cover.

Re: Detailed look at my German Inflation era Postage Stamps

Posted: 14 Sep 2020 20:02
by johnrcrow
Many thanks faro.

Not underpaid at all but 4 x rated as described.

The same for the letters under 4.


So, I have the start of my collection in this area.


The relevant bit from the article you gave me is here. This also describes the mixed ´old` and ´new` stamps on letter 5.



Information on German high inflation period postage stamp usage November and December 1923.
Information on German high inflation period postage stamp usage November and December 1923.

Thanks again.

John

Re: Detailed look at my German Inflation era Postage Stamps

Posted: 14 Sep 2020 20:20
by faro
johnrcrow wrote:
14 Sep 2020 20:02
Many thanks faro.

Not underpaid at all but 4 x rated as described.
Bonus marks for #3 being a "last day cover" for the inflation period, of course. ;)

Re: Detailed look at my German Inflation era Postage Stamps

Posted: 14 Sep 2020 22:22
by johnrcrow
Again well spotted faro.

I am just beginning to look in more detail at the letters I have so appreciate inputs.

Hyper-inflation, troubled times indeed.

John

Re: Detailed look at my German Inflation era Postage Stamps

Posted: 14 Sep 2020 22:54
by johnrcrow
Here is a charming post card with I assume an added piece of original art?

1.12.23 and using the older currency stamp.

I include the very busy pencilled text (maybe someone can translate this or some of it).



Card front.
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Card back.

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Enlarged section of script on front.

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Enlarged art on back.

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Script on back.

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Text under art.

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Re: Detailed look at my German Inflation era Postage Stamps

Posted: 14 Sep 2020 23:03
by johnrcrow
Here is another use of stamps 6-12-23 40 x 10 milliard = 400 Milliarden (400 billion).

The use of new currency stamps would be at 40 Rentgen-Pfennige and saved a deal of licking!


Use of 40 x 10 Milliarden (400 milliarden total) stamps on letter in high inflation era Germany on Dec 6th 1923.
Use of 40 x 10 Milliarden (400 milliarden total) stamps on letter in high inflation era Germany on Dec 6th 1923.