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I'm not sure if there's anything of interest here though given the addresses I reckon most of these will be Staffordshire Maltese Crosses

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The last three and the penultimate one on the previous post, are all Dublin crosses.
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1d black (plate 2) vertical strip of 4, each stamp struck twice.

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1d Red-brown on blued paper (plate 2), sent from Truro to Exeter, dated 22 November 1841, cancelled with both red and blue maltese crosses.

I think this is the only known cover with this combination of crosses on a 1d red.

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emason wrote:The last three and the penultimate one on the previous post, are all Dublin crosses.
Thanks Bill, it explains why the sender felt it necessary to add 'England' to the top of the last cover shown.

Much appreciated :D

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An odd one this - 1d red-brown (plate 9) on part cover from London to Redditch cancelled by both a London No. 6 in cross and normal cross. The London No. 6 is imperfectly inked in blue and the pale parts have a slight violet tinge. The black cross was probably struck over the top as the poorly inked London cross was not good enough. Unusual to see a London numbered cross in anything other than black.

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Amlwch Penny Post...

...but where's the MX? oops, wrong thread, I guess :wink:

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(and here's an image I found on the web with the whole cancellation):
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chipg love it! I imagine extra hard to find with the right initials too.

A couple of recent purchases...

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1d Red (plate 28) with a watery brown maltese cross.

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Some very nice examples there Badu. I don't recall another red + blue cross on a 1d red. Is that the "Newlyn Mines" cover ?

I've acquired a few distinctive crosses recently with a few on Mulreadys posted here.

This one is rather nice too :D
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An odd one this - 1d red-brown (plate 9) on part cover from London to Redditch cancelled by both a London No. 6 in cross and normal cross. The London No. 6 is imperfectly inked in blue and the pale parts have a slight violet tinge. The black cross was probably struck over the top as the poorly inked London cross was not good enough. Unusual to see a London numbered cross in anything other than black.

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Badu, Odd, as you say. My worry would be that at some time the cover has been 'enhanced' with the addition of a MX – or even more than that.

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WinstonW - agreed! I was worried about it too, so sent it off to Mike Jackson. Its come back with a clean cert.

CMJ - what to say? Oh my word that Tadcaster cover is magnificent! A howling rarity!

The red + blue cross cover is indeed the "Newlyn Mines" cover. A better scan of the crosses:

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1d black ( plate 8 ) sent from Penrith to Carlisle, dated 16 March 1841, with both blue and black crosses. Penrith date stamp on the reverse in the same colour blue.

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Dug out a few more blue crosses...

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1d Red (plate 33) from Cappoquin to Dungarvan, dated 30th May 1843, cancelled by a deep indigo blue cappoquin maltese cross.

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1d. Red-brown from Burton to Lancaster, dated 24th September 1841, cancelled by a deep blue cross of Burton.

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1d Red from Truro to Liverpoo, dated 23rd October 1841, cancelled by a bright blue cross.

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Got some pages redone!

Maltese Cross Period varieties:
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Blue and town cancellations:
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Late use of MX:
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sorry for any fuzziness. The images are generated from PowerPoint where I do my pages - I can rescan anything if anyone wants a closer look.
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Lovely blue crosses, Badu and fantastic dedication Chip. I can't remember the last time I found a "CJ" stamp to add to my fledgling initial collection. I've added a few pages this weekend...
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CMJ and chipg - always impressed by the presentation, quality and variety of your collections.

I'm half thinking about putting together a 1-framer of my stuff, just pondering on what would make a coherent exhibition from my rather scattergun collection...

A recent purchase...

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1d Black (plate 3) from Carrick-on-Shannon to Dublin, dated 4 March 1841 cancelled by 2 strikes of a watery brown shade maltese cross.

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1d grey-black (plate 1a) tied to a small piece from Newport (Isle of Wight) dated May 26 1840 with a brown maltese cross.

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1d Intense Black (plate 2) with 2 Brown MXs.

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Giving away a copy of Alcock and Holland - The Maltese Cross Cancellations of The United Kingdom 2nd edition if anyone on this thread is interested.
Giveaway thread is here - https://stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=90521

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Badu wrote:CMJ and chipg - always impressed by the presentation, quality and variety of your collections.

I'm half thinking about putting together a 1-framer of my stuff, just pondering on what would make a coherent exhibition from my rather scattergun collection...
Badu:

Thanks for the complement.

The best exhibits have something of a story - in the States, the judges say that there is a "golden thread" that winds through the exhibit from beginning to end and holds the whole thing together.

Some simple ideas to get you thinking
- You can show either how something came about (a "traditional" approach). Here, you'd show how things were, what things were tried, how it rolled out, and problems with the implementation. Chris' exhibit on the MX is such a thing (and I REALLY enjoyed it when I saw it).
- Survey exhibit. Similar to the above, but uses examples to show the range of things out there. Not comprehensive, but educational. Not likely to get the highest awards, but can often be the exhibit with the most people around it.
- Anomalies. Something like "Problems with the Cancellation of the First Postage Stamps." Start with how it should be (copies of regulations and examples of the "right" way) and then move to examples of problems - wrong colors, wrong use of the cancellation device (e.g to "cancel" rate markings), wrong numbers of cancellation (too many, or too few), missing cancellations (e.g. penny post cancellations without the MX).
- Varieties of something. Similar to the above - but differences between "standard" MXs and "distinctive" MXs. This may be a rat hole you don't want to go down.
- SIB - This is a common exhibition category - Stuff I Bought (or, more colloquially, Sh*t I Bought). Fun to show, but don't expect to get high grade awards. If you go down this route, go in there with the thought that your exhibit fee "rents" that space in the exhibition and you can do with it as you please - judges be damned.

Regardless of what you pick, you'll end up learning a ton about your material and chosen area and will probably have a good time doing it. Exhibiting is like golf - absolutely frustrating, never mastered, but once you're hooked, you can't give it up.

Hope this helps.
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Chip

Thanks for the super helpful post. Really lays out the options well. At the moment I'm very much SIB but anomalies / varieties really looks like the direction to go for me.

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Working from home gives me way too much time to spend internet shopping...

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1d red (plate 12) sent from Welshpool to Bishops Castle dated 3rd June 1841, with Welshpool solid centre maltese cross. This is 2 days earlier than the earliest recorded example in the encyclopaedia of the maltese cross. Rockoff and Jackson conclude that this effect isn't due to the design of the obliterator rather the use of a debris filled obliterator.

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Badu,

Thank you for the compliment.

Just to echo Chip's comments - exhibiting can be addictive but I would thoroughly recommend it. However, it is too easy to think when assessing a potential purchase "will it fit in my exhibit ?". My only advice would be to try and resist this urge. I went down that road slightly in the run-up to Stockholmia 2019 and whilst the exhibit improved (Thank you, Chip), collecting overall wasn't as much fun as I passed over some other interesting/unusual items.

Are you a member of the GBPS http://www.gbps.org.uk ?

If not, there is a wealth of information available online only to members including some fantastic exhibits; including THE definitive MX exhibit by Howard Hughes. The last time I saw it in the flesh, it won the "best in show" at Stampex with, I think, 97/100 (might have been 98).

IMHO, the annual subs of £25 is the best £25 you could spend (stamp related) ! And there is a friendly one-frame competition in January each year.

Nice Welshpool cross, BTW :)

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Thanks for the tip re: resisting the urge to only buy items to fit an exhibit. I tend to buy stuff I like the look of, provided it has a maltese cross on it!
I joined the GBPS at the tail end of last year and went to the meeting in Jan. A really friendly crowd and great day out. The 1-framer competition is what I have my eye on for Jan 2021...or maybe 2022 depending on crafting something coherent between now and then. I'll pop up a separate thread when I get started. My plan is to start crafting using something like adobe indesign so I can prototype the pages a bit easier.
The Howard Hughes exhibit is something else indeed. Some spectacular material and really informative.

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Here's an article I wrote based on seeing Howard Hughes' exhibit at Spring 2015 Stampex.
It appeared in the Great Britain Collectors Club Journal (US). Hope you enjoy it.
As a note, all of the GBCC Journal issues are now available for member download on the GBPS website.
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This little beauty arrived recently :D :D
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chipg - great article and a really good spot on the day!
CMJ - thats a beauty indeed. I'd have snapped that up if I'd seen it first! ;)

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1d black (plate 1a) from Rothesay to Inveraray, dated 11 June 1840 (year date slug reversed) with a watery black maltese cross. A nice early example of a black maltese cross. R&J note that this is likely the cover described by Robson Lowe as dull violet though I dont see it myself.

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1d red-brown (plate 31) from Newton Mount Kennedy to Dublin, dated 23 August 1843, cancelled by an unusual pale greyish blue maltese cross.

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What an odd color!
Nice.
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1d red-brown (plate 41) from Aboyne to Aberdeen, dated 11 May 1844, cancelled by the distinctive Aboyne maltese cross. The stamp has been split in two prior to being affixed and prior to being cancelled. Described by Alcock and Holland as "an unusually heavy cross" when compared to the normal thin-lined Scottish crosses.

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I have been fortunate enough to pick up various crosses on penny reds and using the maltese cross cancellations of the UK by Alcock and Holland have a number of unusual post marks not listed by SG.

These include Aboyne, Coleshill, Clones, Johnstown, Middleton, Moate, Pilton, Waterford and Westport. Are these valuable in any way and is there another specialist place where I should be looking?
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Hello Alastair,
Are these valuable in any way and is there another specialist place where I should be looking?

The only valuable ones off cover are the 'distinctive' maltese crosses listed by Gibbons in their QV specialised catalogue (there are about 40 of them). The 'Bible' for maltese crosses is the "Encyclopaedia of The Maltese Cross Cancellations of Great Britain and Ireland" by Rockoff and Jackson.

I'm afraid the bad news is that none of the named ones you show are listed as being 'distinctive'; that is being able to be positively indentified off cover. On cover it is a different story.

The good news is that the one you name as Middleton is actually the distinctive cross of Dublin (CV £150).
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Thank you once again Bill.

In looking at the crosses of Dublin and Middleton they are very similar. I am going to have to do some computer work to spot the difference! Hope you are right 👍.

It’s good to know about the commercial reality when looking for items to buy. Also fun though having the different crosses and makes for an interesting presentation.

Of the 30 reds with a value I have 12, a blue cross and three number crosses on the reds.

Then I have others on blacks like Lemington and Kirkcudbright Off cover which again will not attract a premium as not listed by SG ? but certainly make them more interesting from a retail standpoint.

Since the question re plating I have acquired quite a few more reds with crosses, some plated some not.

Will have to approach that subject again soon, once my wife is back from hospital ( suspected appendicitis)

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In looking at the crosses of Dublin and Middleton they are very similar. I am going to have to do some computer work to spot the difference! Hope you are right 👍.

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Bill is a real font of knowledge when it comes to crosses! Echoing his words, the Encyclopedia of the Maltese Cross is a fantastic set of books.

Checking in there, there is nothing listed for Middleton (near Manchester), though in Volume 2 p. 332 under "Maltese Crosses Needing Verification" they do list a cross for Midleton (Ireland). They show a cover from Midleton to Dublin and note that The example was illustrated by Alcock and Holland (p. 95). Moxter (p.54) claims this was a post-cancellation by Dublin, and we are inclined to agree with him.

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Yes it was the Alcock and Holland I was looking at which is why they looked so similar (As they had in fact misled ) and confusing.

Thank you once again for resolving the confusion.

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As it happens, I picked up a pretty little Moate Maltese Cross recently:
Moate Maltese Cross on piece.
Moate Maltese Cross on piece.
1d Red (plate 27) tied to a small piece by Moate Maltese Cross in blue with matching CDS for 13 Feb 1843.
R&J note that Moate most likely used a common cross which was sometimes partially filled with debris.

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Badu

Nice cover and cross thank you for sharing

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A recent purchase:
2d blue cancelled by blue-black maltese cross
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2d blue (plate 1) from Burton to Kendal, dated 14th June 1842, cancelled by a mixed ink blue-black maltese cross.

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Brighton distinctive maltese cross
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1d Red (plate 14) from Brighton to London, dated 16th August 1841, cancelled with a special Brighton maltese cross and with a further strike below. The slightly wonky nature of the Brighton cross can be seen clearly.

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Lovely additions, Badu. Thank you for sharing. I have a soft spot for unusually coloured crosses - especially blue ones.

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Likewise CMJ - I cant resist a coloured maltese cross!

A close-up of the 2d blue with blue-black cross:
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2d blue with blue-black MX
Picked this up too recently:
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1d black with vivid brown MX
1d intense-black (plate 1a) with a vivid brown MX.

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HI Badu,

My interpretation of that last Penny Black is that is is grey-black, I thought it was showing a worn plate? Then again I have never been that sure about what an intense black looks like!
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Re: The Maltese Cross Cancel on GB Stamps Thread

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Agreed Rog. I'm certainly no expert on these, so dont trust me! I only went with intense black as its been certified as such, but Brandon do drop some clangers every now and then.

A couple of additional stamps for comparison:
1d grey-black with magenta-brown mx
1d grey-black with magenta-brown mx
1d grey-black (plate 1a) showing moderate plate wear with a magenta-brown maltese cross.

1d intense-black with red mx
1d intense-black with red mx
1d intense-black (plate 1a) with a red maltese cross.

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Re: The Maltese Cross Cancel on GB Stamps Thread

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Ahh maybe that first one is the illusive grey black. Striking stamp and definitely an MX colour different to the usual red. I can see the brown but my eyes cannot see the magenta.

That QD has a great cross. The colour intense black for that one confuses me more. I can see nothing that makes me think it's intense black. :?

Actually thinking about it - it might just be because it is blown up - the enlargement does make things look lighter a lot of the time.
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Re: The Maltese Cross Cancel on GB Stamps Thread

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Regarding shades of the 1d Black, This thread may be of interest.

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=55930
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