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Regarding shades of the 1d Black, This thread may be of interest.

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=55930
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Likewise, many thanks Bill!

Something I found hiding in my collection that I'd forgotten I'd bought: :o
Red MX cancelling handstamp
Red MX cancelling handstamp
Wrapper from Doune to Edinburgh, dated 31st July 1840, with Red maltese cross used to obliterate an incorrect handstamp 1. Presumably the manuscript Post Paid was missed. Doune datestamp in the same shade.

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1d Red with Dark Green Maltese Cross
1d Red with Dark Green Maltese Cross
1d Red from Nottingham to Sheffield, dated 20th September 1843, cancelled by two strikes of a very dark green maltese cross. Nottingham CDS in the same shade of ink.

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This item was sold at a local auction for $6,600 Canadian. Unfortunately I did not even come close. :) I thought I would share it here for posterity.

Great Britain December 13, 1841 1d Mulready Life Insurance lettersheet uprated with strip of 3 of the 1841 1d red brown and canceled with a black maltese cross X four.

What would be the reason for a 4d rate on what appears, to me, to be a locally sent folded letter?

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Here is another 4d rate "local" cover I found on eBay.
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Wayne1951 wrote:
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What would be the reason for a 4d rate on what appears, to me, to be a locally sent folded letter?
The postage rates from 10 January 1840 were based upon the weight of letters :

1d - up to ½oz
2d - up to to 1oz
4d - up to 2oz

So, presumably there was something else enclosed in the Mulready that took the weight above 1oz and required the extra postage to be added.

There is (at least) one other Mulready known with the same printed advert inside, uprated in the same manner also sent from Dawlish.

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Deep red-brown maltese cross on 1d black
Deep red-brown maltese cross on 1d black
1d Black (plate 1a) from Bristol to Stourbridge, dated 21st May 1840, cancelled by a deep red-brown Bristol maltese cross.

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As long as we're showing colors, here are a couple:

Red-brown MX on a Plate 2 single:
Red-brown MX
Red-brown MX
Brown MX on a Plate 7 single
Brown MX
Brown MX
Arundel Salmon-pink MX on Plate 3
Arundel Salmon-pink MX
Arundel Salmon-pink MX
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Nice examples :D

Looks like I'll have to join in with ....


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1d Black (plate 4) cancelled by brown Maltese crosses.
Winchcomb undated circle alongside in a matching shade

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Some nice examples there! I've been searching my collection for an example lettered CG and couldnt find one. Then I realised who must own them all! :shock:

1d Black with purple brown maltese cross
1d Black with purple brown maltese cross
1d Black (plate 1b) from Glasgow to Falkirk, dated 18 August 1840, cancelled by a purple-brown maltese cross.

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Some nice examples there! I've been searching my collection for an example lettered CG and couldnt find one. Then I realised who must own them all! :shock:
I think that there are a few people attempting plate reconstructions who curse me on a daily basis.
Here are (most of them) in one place: http://victoria.cgpostal.com
(the uprated Mulready got a bad cert and needs to come down, and I haven't updated the webpages in a while with some new things, including a spectacular cover to Finland)

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Here are (most of them) in one place: http://victoria.cgpostal.com
A fantastic site chipg. It was an evening's entertainment for me going through the slides one by one. I'm now obsessed by finding a Doncaster maltese cross to call my own!

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1d black with 3 strikes of a brown maltese cross
1d black with 3 strikes of a brown maltese cross

1d black (plate 3) from Lochy to Ayr, dated 26 June 1840, cancelled by 3 strikes of a watery brown maltese cross. Glasgow receiving house 19 on reverse in the same colour.

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"SB" corner letters like StampBoards :)

Is there an explanation for the brown ink? Oxidisation? Mix of previous red and replacement black inks perhaps? Or that's just the colour it is?
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Rog - its too early (June 1840) for black ink (which was in experimental use in London from Sep 1840 and replaced red from Feb 1841).

Glasgow is known for watery crosses and some interesting colours. For May/June 1840 Rockoff and Jackson list crosses from Glasgow in shades of violet, orange, purple, orange-vermilion, watery brown and Magenta.

Rear of the cover above showing the boxed 19 in same shade.
Boxed 19 in brown and Glasgow datestamp
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Hmm interesting, thanks for the info.
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1d Red with Eyrecourt maltese cross
1d Red with Eyrecourt maltese cross

1d Red (plate 35) from Eyrecourt to Dublin, dated 4 August 1843, cancelled by an Eyrecourt maltese cross. The Eyrecourt Maltese Cross is a thin-line Scottish-appearing Maltese Cross which is not possible to identify off-cover with any degree of certainty. Like this cover, the majority of known Eyrecourt covers are addressed to Samuel Parker.

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Badu wrote:
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Likewise, many thanks Bill!

Something I found hiding in my collection that I'd forgotten I'd bought: :o

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Wrapper from Doune to Edinburgh, dated 31st July 1840, with Red maltese cross used to obliterate an incorrect handstamp 1. Presumably the manuscript Post Paid was missed. Doune datestamp in the same shade.
Why do you think that the 1 hand-stamp was put incorrectly ?

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Why do you think that the 1 hand-stamp was put incorrectly ?
rossi - it was purely based on the handstamp being immediately cancelled by a maltese cross, but happy to defer to those with more knowledge than me in this.

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Scottish maltese cross used on unpaid mail
Scottish maltese cross used on unpaid mail

Maltese cross used on unpaid 1842 letter locally used in Edinburgh with postage unpaid and hand stamp 2 charge mark and Edinburgh Scottish MX - both in black. Backstamped 8 June 1842.

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Badu - you posted two very interesting letters, one prepaid and one not.
I've to say that I left collecting about 6 years ago but I don't remember letters like yours ... so congrats!
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Can someone please assist with this Maltese Cross cancellation? I have plated the stamp as plate 2 but I don't have enough experience to work out where the cancel is from.
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Renzo - I think this just looks like a common cross. This was in use in the majority of places, so identifying where the cancel is from off cover is going to be impossible. Nice margins on that stamp though!

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A couple of recent purchases:

2d blue with additional strike alongside
2d blue with additional strike alongside
2d blue (plate 1) on piece with a red maltese cross and an additional strike alongside.

1d red with 3 Belfast maltese crosses
1d red with 3 Belfast maltese crosses
1d red (plate 37) on piece with 3 strikes of the Belfast Maltese Cross.

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That 2d Blue with the two red MXs is a beauty :D
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I have always thought the Belfast to be the prettiest of all Maltese Crosses. It is also my favourite, but unfortunately they tend to be rather expensive. :(

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This rather blurry Maltese strikes me as something other than the 'Normal' but I'm struggling to ID which one it might be, and the blurriness doesn't help. I am hoping someone more experienced might help. My best guess is Dublin II ?
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swankyspoon wrote:
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This rather blurry Maltese strikes me as something other than the 'Normal' but I'm struggling to ID which one it might be, and the blurriness doesn't help. I am hoping someone more experienced might help. My best guess is Dublin II ?
Thanks!
It's impossible to identify an off cover mx from such a poor quality strike, even if it were one of the 'distinctive' crosses. It is probably just a common cross, whose distortion makes it appear 'unusual'.
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Ah well. Fair enough. Thanks for checking it.

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Salmon Pink MX from Bridport
Salmon Pink MX from Bridport

1d Black (plate 8) from Bridport to Wellington, dated 31 Jan 1841, cancelled by a salmon pink maltese cross.

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Purple-brown MX from Newton Stewart
Purple-brown MX from Newton Stewart

1d Black (plate 1b) from Newton Stewart to Wigtown, dated 15 October 1840, cancelled by 3 strikes of a purple-brown maltese cross.

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I cannot resist covers with multiple maltese crosses from different offices. Beauty is very much going to have to be in the eye of the beholder with this pair though :)

Birmingham and Stourbridge MXs on cover
Birmingham and Stourbridge MXs on cover

1d Red (plate 20) from Birmingham to Stourbridge, dated 7 August 1842. Cancelled first by an under-inked Birmingham Maltese Cross and then overstruck on receipt in Stourbridge.

Wadebridge and Launceston MXs on piece
Wadebridge and Launceston MXs on piece

1d Red on undated piece cancelled at Wadebridge with a very light strike of the Maltese Cross and further cancelled with an olive brown Maltese Cross probably on arrival in Launceston.

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Nice contrast between the different shades of "red" from Bridport and Newtown Stewart and also the multiple cancellations too :)

Here are a few similar, very recent acquisitions...

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1d black (plate 5)
Dundee to Rothsay, dated 19 February 1841, cancelled with two strikes of a red Maltese cross

19 February 1841 is the latest recorded use of red ink at Dundee


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1d black (plate 6)
to Glasgow via Belfast, dated 21 August 1841, cancelled with two strikes of a red Maltese cross

Very late use of red ink


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Edinburgh to Reading, dated 17 February 1841, cancelled with a red Maltese cross

17 February 1841 is the latest recorded use of red ink at Edinburgh


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1d Mulready
Local use within Greenock, dated 14 May 1841, cancelled with a black Maltese cross

14 May 1841 is the day before a distinctive cross at Greenock is first recorded


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Hello Chris,

A nice cover, but as you say, a red strike from Belfast this late is unusual.

But what I find even stranger is that they don't look like the usual Belfast type 1 cross of this period. But they do very much look like the Greenock special cross which was in use at this time.

I have no explanation for this apparent anomaly.
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Hi Bill,

I think you are correct. Certainly the lower of the two crosses is not a Belfast Type 1 and I don't think the higher one is either.

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The letter has been cut down so there are no other markings nor the senders address inside. Therefore, I would suspect it was originally posted somewhere else in Ireland (near to Belfast) and the Belfast datestamp was applied in transit. I have amended the caption accordingly.

Nevertheless, still a nice late use of red ink - no matter where it came from.

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Hello Chris,

With regards to your Belfast cover again, I am unaware of any Irish mx which resembles those on your cover.

So, to satisfy my curiosity, I have taken one of my 1d reds from plate 33 with a clear strike of a distinctive Greenock mx
Greenock mx Plate 33.jpg


and overlayed it onto the lower one of your crosses.
CMJ cover + Greenock mx overlayed.jpg
The result (I think you will agree) is an exact match of your cross with the Greenock cross.

The conclusion is that your cover is cancelled with at least one Greenock mx. As you are probably aware, late usage of the red cancel at Greenock is not unknown. Though how a letter from Belfast to Glasgow acquired a Greenock cross is a mystery.
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Dear all I'm new to this forum so if I commit a faux pas please let me know.

I was wondering if anyone can help I bought a collection of numerals in Maltese Cross cancels and it included this lettersheet - can anyone make out the number?

The sender gives a London address, 1843.

I know its a bit messy but can anyone shine any light?


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TSStamps - al good. Thats a super hard cross to make out and the smudge is going to make it impossible to say for certain if it even is a number in cross cancel.
The London numbers in cross were first used late March 1843 (#1-#6) and early April 1843 (#7-#12). Looks like that cover is dated 30 March 1843, so would have to be #1-#6 if it were a number in cross cancel.

Bill - great detective work.

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Badu

Thanks for the reply - yes the letter is also dated 30th March so it would seem to be a 1-6 if it is a number cross that is.
It came in a collection of MC's with numbers and all the others were identifiable so maybe the previous owner could make it out ;) .
Anyway thanks for your thoughts
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1d Black (plate 6) sent locally within London dated 4 February 1841 with 2 strikes of the London broken points Maltese Cross. This is still just about within the experimental black period. The broken points can be seen clearly on the additional strike on cover - I guess just due to missing the stamp first time.

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For anyone who missed it, Howard Hughes' excellent webinar for the GB Conference organised by Stamp Collector is available here: https://www.allaboutstamps.co.uk/virtual-events/collectors-c ... ese-cross/

A great presentation with some wonderful and unique material on display.

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A couple of greenish crosses:

Greenish maltese cross of Rushyford
Greenish maltese cross of Rushyford
1d Red from Rushyford to Stokesley, dated 13 April 1844, cancelled by a greenish Rushyford Maltese Cross.

Greenish maltese cross of Rugby
Greenish maltese cross of Rugby
1d Red from Rugby to Daventry, dated 30 December 1843, also cancelled by a greenish Maltese Cross.

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