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Folks,

Since my early collecting days I have always had an attraction to the 1970 Cook issue. Particularly covers. I did have quite a few including the rare official small cover with the 30c stamp affixed.

I also had a couple of the forgeries which became collectable in their own right. I had always thought the 30c small Cook was the rarest of the FDC's that were around.

I have found out that this is not the case.

I thought I would start a new thread on the 1970 Cook FDC and see how many we can find.

I will start with a couple of crackers.

Is this an official PO FDC and how rare is it?

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Its a Post Office promotional poster that was used to promote the new issue. It measure approximately 320mm x 250mm and has the 30c stamp cut out from a mini sheet.
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Folks,

Here is its partner the se-tenant strip of five on the same PO promotional poster.

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Yes they would be very scarce Tim. :mrgreen:

When in senior high school, I recall having the foresight to cut up a mini sheet and place the 6 x IMPERF stamps on separate envelopes, and had them all cancelled on First Day. The 30c one I asked to be Registered as 30c covered that in full. (Cost Today for a Regd letter - about $5.)

Years later on, some stamp dealer, who as we know are all mercenary b*stards, offered me $1 for the lot. Being young and stupid I accepted, as I was 100% in front. But I wish I had them today. :mrgreen:

A set of those on PO Logo covers unaddressed, would be SEVERAL $100s today. If indeed ANY sets exist.

THAT is the rarest 1970 Cook set I'd strongly suggest. I think I saw one other set 6 once - sadly addressed.
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Didge,

To me, a promotional poster is not a cover. That's just my opinion. I'm not a first day cover collector and people are, of course, free to collect whatever they wish to collect.

For your census, here is a small 30c Cook FDC from Dubbo in NSW:

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Glen,

Good yarn mate. Dodgy dealers!!!

I think singles on individual covers would be rare let alone miniature sheets. The 30c miniature sheet cut out above on the promotional poster would be 99% unique I think.

I was hoping to get Stampboarders posting lots of the different FDC makers posting their examples. The 30c small Cook Wesley cover of this series is quite rare as well.

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Temora22

Nice mate.

The promotional poster is a First Day something. Its an official post office item with the stamps cancelled on the first day.

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Folks,

A nice long emblem or shield generic PO cover with the full Cook normal stamp issue

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Didge wrote:The 30c small Cook Wesley cover of this series is quite rare as well.
Only according to the new owner of Wesley cover Service! Do not drink the Kool Aid. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I've handled dozens if not 100s over the decades, and allowed a couple of bucks apiece for them when selling. Not scarce in any way.
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Quite by coincidence, Tim, I've just today scanned a few less usual Cook covers:
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Wesley "set" format cover bearing imperfs, cut from minisheet

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Wesley small format 30c. I haven't been as fortunate as Glen with this item. I've found it rare. By comparison, the Post Office small 30c I've found readily available, in the extreme.

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Rarer again, the 5c set in singles on small format Wesley covers

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Possibly harder to find than the above
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Rod,

Very nice mate.

Do you know how many fdc cover producers were active at this time? There must have been a few.

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Didge wrote:Rod,

Very nice mate.

Do you know how many fdc cover producers were active at this time? There must have been a few.

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Wesley small format 30c. I haven't been as fortunate as Glen with this item. I've found it rare. By comparison, the Post Office small 30c I've found readily available, in the extreme.
You know I strive to assist you newer dealers Rod.

Mail me down all your unaddressed 30c Cook PO covers and I'll swap you 1 for 1 with Wesleys. I know it appears I am the gross loser, from this act of benevolence in your eyes, but that is just my gregarious nature. I just can't help it. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Wesley small format 30c. I haven't been as fortunate as Glen with this item. I've found it rare. By comparison, the Post Office small 30c I've found readily available, in the extreme.
You know I strive to assist you newer dealers Rod.

Mail me down all your unaddressed 30c Cook PO covers and I'll swap you 1 for 1 with Wesleys. I know it appears I am the gross loser, from this act of benevolence in your eyes, but that is just my gregarious nature. I just can't help it. :lol: :lol: :lol:
FDCs are not my "thing", Glen, so I don't maintain stock.

I do have a very comprehensive Reference collection of Private producer's Decimal FDCs, accompanied by detailed census, which was to have been the source of illustrations and pricing for a proposed ACSC FDC volume in 1990s.

Referring to your statement above, referencing Wesley small format 30c Cook: "I've handled dozens if not 100s over the decades, and allowed a couple of bucks apiece for them when selling. Not scarce in any way.", I'll take all you can supply at a couple of bucks apiece.

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Folks,

Another nice complete cook set on a large shield cover.

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Folks,

Another large shield with the Cook set.

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Hello all,

Here is the common Long cover from the Australian Post Office, with 5c Strip of 5 + 30c Cook:
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Here are two (long) Royal covers, each with 5c Strip of 5 + 30c stamp:

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Greg,

Nice mate.

Thanks for posting.

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I agree with Rod the WCS Small Cook 30c is much scarcer than the Australia Post Small Cook 30c. It just shows you that WCS collectors were meaner than Australia Post collectors & applied their 30c Cooks to the WCS large covers.

And then there were these done using up old Australia Post logo/shield covers:
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Here is one that someone adapted for the 1970 Norfolk Island Cook Issue:
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Brad .. now THAT is cool!
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I haven't seen this one before but, as I mentioned yesterday, I'm not a FDC collector.

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This new thread comes as I am looking at the British stamps to be issued next month for the 250th anniversary. I can't yet show them due to embargoes, but cover producers can, and I have put this reference on my blog: https://mailchi.mp/buckinghamcovers.com/jh1807e
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Folks,

I notice Glen has a superb small PO 30c Cook Cover on his rarity page. From the scans its one of the neatest ones I have seen. Very clean unaddressed. A scan would look good on this thread. I was tempted to have a nibble at it but the budget does not allow.

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Didge wrote:Folks,

I notice Glen has a superb small PO 30c Cook Cover on his rarity page. From the scans its one of the neatest ones I have seen. Very clean unaddressed. A scan would look good on this thread. I was tempted to have a nibble at it but the budget does not allow.

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Tim, yes that sold in a day - superb shape. (Stock 582JEL) 8)

Another client who wanted a Roo I had listed up there mailed me an equally superb unaddressed 30c Small Cook offical PO FDC one today in exchange - that one is with the sought after Clarence Street Sydney Philatelic Centre cds cancel.

Also with the yellow solid gum lines on flap that all the genuines have. The 1980s fakes have a blue green gum in 3 sections, that was common on new envelopes in the 1980s. :mrgreen:
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Glen,

Why is the Clarence Street Sydney Philatelic Centre cds cancel sought after?

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Temora22 wrote:Glen,

Why is the Clarence Street Sydney Philatelic Centre cds cancel sought after?

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For ALL PO FDC Melbourne and Sydney are greatly preferred by most collectors - over Wagga or Mt. Gambier or Broken Hill etc. :mrgreen:

Clearly it is possible to get a complete run from 1970 to date with either main cancel, and to do that with Wagga cds etc would be near impossible.
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When in senior high school, I recall having the foresight to cut up a mini sheet and place the 6 x IMPERF stamps on separate envelopes, and had them all cancelled on First Day. The 30c one I asked to be Registered as 30c covered that in full. (Cost Today for a Regd letter - about $5.)

Years later on, some stamp dealer, who as we know are all mercenary b*stards, offered me $1 for the lot. Being young and stupid I accepted, as I was 100% in front. But I wish I had them today. :mrgreen:

A set of those on PO Logo covers unaddressed, would be SEVERAL $100s today. If indeed ANY sets exist.
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Not on PO covers, and not a complete set, but scarce non-the-less I would think.

I'm sure I have a used FDC with a 5c part mini-sheet somewhere too (now where would I have put that one!!)

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Hi Tim and all,

Here's some of the extra large Royal covers:

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(These covers measure 230mm x 153mm deep).
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To add to Gregory's lovely colourful long Royal covers:

below is a purple, green and tan example:

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and a Green, black and tan:

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Following is an example of the Excelsior cover Tim:

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This is a very long cover, measuring 267mm.

Enjoy.
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I am unsure of the makers of these Cook FDC's:

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I love all new and used Cook covers, but my favourite of all time is undoubtedly the Jack Peake FDC:

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Browny wrote:I am unsure of the makers of these Cook FDC's:

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I haven't seen many of these & I don't know the cachetmaker:
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Erskine Stamp Service (acquired by Wesley Cover Service):
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Ampol Petroleum advertising cover with Cook Kurnell Commemorative pictorial postmark:
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Captain Cook 1770 - 1970 Melbourne machine slogan cancel:
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I haven't seen this cancel with a Cook stamp but I am sure they will exist.
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Australian Post large Cook fdc with se-tenant strip of 5 x 5c & 30c unusually cancelled with Grasslands Congress Surfers Paradise postmark:
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A pair of large Australia Post Shield fdcs with se-tenant strip of 5 x 5c & 30c:
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BigSaint wrote:Captain Cook 1770 - 1970 Melbourne machine slogan cancel:
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I haven't seen this cancel with a Cook stamp but I am sure they will exist.
They are hard to find, Brad. 90% of my stock of this cancel is the QEII 5c blue. (as in your example)

I have the following Cook set available at AU$75 post paid:
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BigSaint wrote:Captain Cook 1770 - 1970 Melbourne machine slogan cancel:
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I haven't seen this cancel with a Cook stamp but I am sure they will exist.
They are hard to find, Brad. 90% of my stock of this cancel is the QEII 5c blue. (as in your example)

I have the following Cook set available at AU$75 post paid:
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Sold.

Payment as per last private purchase, Brad.

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Nice buy Brad!! :mrgreen:

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Yes, thank you Ian. I had not seen them before.

Here is another mystery cover:
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I suspect that "Commemorative Events" of Christchurch may be related to "Hutt Commemoratives" of Lower Hutt, NZ. Hutt Commemoratives made PNCs in the late 1960s & early 1970s.
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Parade fdcs with cut up a mini-sheet & the 6 x IMPERF stamps on 5 covers, & all cancelled on first day of issue:
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Another lot of cut outs, but missing first one & not first day. These were sent from Manuka to Ndola, Zambia:
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Not sure why some postmarked on the 9th & one on the 10th.

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Brad . .what a shame he did not do them first day. :wink:

Ken Moore was a very active collector here .. no idea what he was doing in Zambia then. :mrgreen:
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Global Administrator wrote:Brad . .what a shame he did not do them first day. :wink:

Ken Moore was a very active collector here .. no idea what he was doing in Zambia then. :mrgreen:

Glen,

Yes agreed on that. I'd like the missing cover too but perhaps that was eaten by a lion. :shock: I have seen the name "K Moore" before but I don't know anything about him.

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Re: Share your Australia 1970 Captain Cook First Day Covers

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BigSaint wrote:Ampol Petroleum advertising cover with Cook Kurnell Commemorative pictorial postmark:
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That's seriously horrible!
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Re: Share your Australia 1970 Captain Cook First Day Covers

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Registered fdc from the Rottnest Island Board to Holyoake:
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Unusually the stamp normally first in the se-tenant strip of 5 has been moved to the end, rejoining the Endeavour. :)
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