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Loving this thread. Thank you so much. When I get home you are giving me plenty to do - as well as posting some of mine.

Please do rmills
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castores wrote:
23 Jul 2020 16:13
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1966 Birds

5c Yellow-Tailed Thornbill issued 14 February 1966. various ACSC shades

448d: Green dot right of "5c"


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Castores can you please READ my post earlier today?

TWO SPACES between text and first attachment ALWAYS, and CENTRE all images as clearly shown in the tutorial I spent 30 mins typing.

Thanks

So we then end with far less jammed up wobbly messes like you had left us here. :!:

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1966 Birds
5c Yellow-Tailed Thornbill issued 14 February 1966
various ACSC shades
448d: Green dot right of "5c"

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TWO SPACES between text and first attachment ALWAYS, and CENTRE all images as clearly shown in the tutorial I spent 30 mins typing.
Okay, two spaces... centre images. All on board (I hope :oops: )
Once it's done correctly it is as easy as pie....

Will check your tutorial,
it's all changed and continuing to change so please accept we/me are behind the 8 ball and learning.

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Yes a brave new word for ALL of us!

Do a few and it becomes second nature.

Still FAR easier than using photobucket and imgur and removing the ''s'' from https and all that messing about!

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Yes a brave new word for ALL of us!

Do a few and it becomes second nature.

Still FAR easier than using photobucket and imgur and removing the ''s'' from https and all that messing about!

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Damn straight! The new way of inserting images is a breeze, now I just have to work on the nuances.
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1966 Queen Elizabeth II definitives issued 14 February 1966

2c QE II yellow-green
437 NL:


Thanks to an acquisition (refer an earlier post on this thread) I can show some flaws that the owner placed at the time of the stamp coming on sale.
All bought as new issues at the time when constant varieties were written up in the magazines at the time
Philip Adams, you may appreciate :D
2c 1 900.jpg
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1966 Queen Elizabeth II definitives issued 14 February 1966

2c QE II yellow-green
437 NL:

2c 2 900.jpg
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5c Yellow-Tailed Thornbill

448e: Two green dots under "5c"
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If I can stretch things to include varieties on stamps other than flaws? then,

I understand these are called "wings"

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The 'winged' versus the following 'proper' paper size
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IMG_20200803_0013 900.jpg
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I will get to the 'flaw' mentioned....

"wings" I understand earlier produced sheets were originally used for the new decimal stamps and as the size
and configuration differed it resulted in excess selvege.

Anyone who wishes to elaborate, please do...
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On matters "small", I want emphasise that none of the varieties I identify are new discoveries.

When I returned to stamp collecting I thought that I would make my mark with Decimal varieties, so I started to buy up sheets and blocks with the hope of discovering plated constant varieties.

Too difficult! I then discovered the beauty of pre-decimals and particularly the Kangaroos and off I went to explore those areas.

For a break, I occasionally return to the decimals. I bought the three-volume ACSC decimal catalogue and most importantly, I discovered David McCleary's notes on Australian Decimal Varieties.

Now, armed with the ACSC and McCleary books and with past assistance from Bryan Young (dec.), the consulting editor of the ACSC decimals, I can identify where many recuts, etc., should be located - even though half the time I cannot see anything!

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It appears I have to purchase McCleary!

Following on from Philip Adams' postings of the brown 1c QE II varieties I thought I'd have a look at mine.
Immediately got side-tracked by what I was seeing so I'm wondering if the following have been noted before?

Thin "c" and broken "A" of Autralia
2c broken A.jpg
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2c broken A thin c.jpg
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normal -
2c thin c normal.jpg
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I don't know where to start with this pair, they just stood out amongst the rest.
Retouches? And also, the base of the first "A" of Australia on the right stamp.

Retouches? including weak shading bottom left corner left stamp
2c pr.jpg
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2c pr cnr.jpg
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First "A" of Australia
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castores,

David McCleary's set of notes are certainly worth having. They are difficult to find - I found mine on Ebay.

McCleary's notes have nothing to say on your 1d Brown.

I'm not convinced that the c is thin. The postmark is hiding too much of the necessary detail.

As for the break in the cross bar of the first A of AUSTRALIA, that is an interesting flaw. The question now, is whether it is constant.

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I don't know where to start with this pair, they just stood out amongst the rest.
Retouches? And also, the base of the first "A" of Australia on the right stamp.

Retouches? including weak shading bottom left corner left stamp
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First "A" of Australia
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castores,

Your close-up pictures need to be much clearer, for me to see what you see.

Where exactly do you think there are retouches? What is special about the base of the first A?

On a more positive note, I really like the type of material you are posting. Just provide a bit more detail!

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Regarding "thin c": Thank you Philip, after pointing out the coverage of the postmark I can see how it could affect the "c" in such a way.

Have to find another "broken A" now.

Retouches and a weird line..

2c forhead.jpg
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It's the same colour as a postmark (I've noticed bits of black/grey on similar stamps before?) but has nothing to do with the postmark? I'm not saying it's necessarily a flaw, but an explanation of how it could occur?
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Retouch?
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Where exactly do you think there are retouches? What is special about the base of the first A?
All the background shading appeared 'whiter' than all the other stamps I had out and they stood out, so in answering "where" you've actually answered me. If nothing really stood out for you then I'm just seeing things (eyes can go crazy looking at these little brown pieces of paper).

Regarding the "A", again you've answered me, at normal size the right base serif is wavy due to a 'pixel worth' missing and a white shade spot attached. But, if it doesn't stand out to you as worthy that is good enough for me.
On a more positive note, I really like the type of material you are posting. Just provide a bit more detail!
Thanks.
The weak shading corner:
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1966 Queen Elizabeth definitives issued 14 February 1966
Retouch on tail row 8.4.jpg

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6c Blue-Faced Honyeater
449B: NL Retouch on tail, row 8 number 4
Retouch on tail row 8.4 single.jpg

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1966 Queen Elizabeth definitives issued 14 February 1966
IMG_20200804_0001.jpg
All bought as new issues at the time when constant varieties were written up in the magazines at the time
7c Humbug Fish
450: NL Coloured spot, row 1 number 7 (odd number sheets)
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1966 Queen Elizabeth definitives issued 14 February 1966
IMG_20200804_0002.jpg


9c Hermit Crab
452A: NL Colour flaw middle left of crab
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1966 Queen Elizabeth definitives issued 14 February 1966
IMG_20200804_0003.jpg


24c Azure Kingfisher
457f: Retouch over "24", row 9 number 4
IMG_20200804_0003 9.4.jpg

IMG_20200804_0003 9.4 cl.jpg


457g: Retouch right of left wing tip, row 10 number 5
IMG_20200804_0003 10.5.jpg


Pin-the-tale-on-the-donkey
Anyone who would like to place the circle where it needs to be I and everyone would be appreciate.
I can't see it and I'm not sure if BW mean wing the on the left or the bird's 'left' wing?
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1966 Queen Elizabeth definitives issued 14 February 1966
10c 1.9 - 5.10.jpg

All bought as new issues at the time when constant varieties were written up in the magazines at the time
The above portion of the 10c pane includes one ACSC listed variety and includes others the original owner placed.
However has made no mention of the 'doctor blade' flaw (see below) at rows 1 & 2, number 9.



I can't see either of the following two, unless (with the first) the owner meant the 'doctor blade' flaw (but then row 1 number 9 would also be mentioned)?

453: NL Retouch at top right, row 2 number 9
453: NL White spot after "FISH", row 2 number 10
10c 2.9 & 2.10.jpg


453f: Retouch over "US" of Australia, upper pane (even number sheets) row 3 number 9
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1966 Queen Elizabeth coils issued 14 February 1966

3c green: flaws at first and last stamp

3c coil.jpg


467d: White spot right of "L" of Australia
I notice their is a colour spot in the lower part of the "L" also (very small).


3c 467d.jpg

3c 467d cl.jpg


457h: Retouch in background under chin
I notice a couple of black scratches on this stamp, on the chin, and on the lower neck near the necklace. Mentioned but nothing of interest I assume.


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1966 Queen Elizabeth coils issued 14 February 1966
All bought as new issues at the time when constant varieties were written up in the magazines at the time
IMG_20200804_0005.jpg


5c blue
469: NL flaw on neck


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1972 Rehabilitation issued 2 August 1972

12c Worker
595f: Spot on leg under table, upper pane row 5 number 8


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1972 Rehabilitation issued 2 August 1972

24c Boy in splint
598f: Diagonal white line on ball


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1971 Centenary of the Sydney Stock Exchange issued 5 May 1971
All bought as new issues at the time when constant varieties were written up in the magazines at the time

6c Styalised graph
556: NL Red misplaced (top of sheet also shown)


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1971 Australian Natives Association Centenary issued 21 April 1971

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6c Symbolic
555f: Retouch in blue right of lowest star LP 10/1


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1970 18th International Dairy Congress

6c Shorthorns
543: NL White area below "6"

Probably a one-off, slight blue in parts of the white area, along with a retouch (scuffing) to the right.


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1969 50th Anniversary of First England - Australia Flight
Issued 12 November 1969

IMG_20200805_0005.jpg

5c Capt. Wrigley
514da: Very weak shading ob car - retouched - Type I, LP 1/3

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514db: Very weak shading ob car - retouched - Type II, LP 2/2

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It appears I left a bit out of a post above, so:

1966 Queen Elizabeth definitives issued 14 February 1966

10c Anemone Fish
453: NL Blue 'doctor blade' flaw, rows 1 & 2/9


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1967 5th World Congress of Gynaecology & Obstetrics
Issued 21 August 1967
All bought as new issues at the time when constant varieties were written up in the magazines at the time
IMG_20200805_0007.jpg

4c Symbolic
477: NL Weak "G" of Gynaecology and Weak "C" of Congress (left stamps)
So, a constant.

IMG_20200805_0007 cl.jpg
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1967 5th World Congress of Gynaecology & Obstetrics
Issued 21 August 1967
All bought as new issues at the time when constant varieties were written up in the magazines at the time
IMG_20200805_0006.jpg


4c Symbolic
477: NL Red-Violet scratch through "4"
This is now one of my favourites, most striking in appearance!


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1967 50th Anniversary of Lions International
Issued 7 June 1967


IMG_20200805_0008.jpg

4c Emblem
475e: White flaw joining "ra" of Australia, LP 2/6
Mint & Used

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1967 50th Anniversary of Lions International
Issued 7 June 1967

4c Emblem
475: White flaw across "Au" of Australia
(cannot see any crease on the reverse)


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1967 150th Anniversary of Banking in Australia
Issued 5 April 1967

IMG_20200805_0013.jpg

4c Key & Lock
474h: Retouch right of "c" of 4c, RP 8/5

474h.jpg

474i: Green dot over top key, RP 10/4

474i.jpg
All bought as new issues at the time when constant varieties were written up in the magazines at the time
474: Screen weakness after "c" of 4c, RP 8/4

474 cl.jpg

Having seen the "screen weakness" (above), that is probably a good description of what I was trying to say with the earlier post of the brown 1c QE II

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1967 150th Anniversary of Banking in Australia
Issued 5 April 1967

IMG_20200805_0014.jpg

4c Key & Lock
474d: White spot between "R" & "S" of Years, LP 8/1

474d.jpg

474d cl.jpg

474e: Green dot over & to right of "1967", LP 8/4

474e.jpg

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474f: Green dot left of "150", LP 8/5

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Re: Share your Australian Decimal Stamp Flaws (ACSC listed or not)

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1967 150th Anniversary of Banking in Australia
Issued 5 April 1967
(see above portion of sheet)
All bought as new issues at the time when constant varieties were written up in the magazines at the time
4c Key & Lock
474: White scratch through "c" of 4c to key, LP 9/2

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474 9.2 cl.jpg

474: White dot above key, LP 9/4

474 9.4.jpg

474: White dot under "4c", LP 10/5

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Re: Share your Australian Decimal Stamp Flaws (ACSC listed or not)

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1967 150th Anniversary of Banking in Australia
Issued 5 April 1967

A most interesting page shown here as the original owner has placed them.
This page is most helpful as it shows the difference in what is not listed in current catalogues (they do state that not all varieties are shown) but listed in magazines of the time.
All bought as new issues at the time when constant varieties were written up in the magazines at the time
The owner has noted those that were written up at the time but has left others without description (honestly, I can't be sure if that is why some have descriptions and others not - might be a leap).

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Two more examples of 474d.

474: Scratch above "L" of Australia
(unfortunate to have thinning in the same area)

Banking 3.1.jpg

Banking 3.1 cl.jpg

474: I assume this wasn't listed in any magazine, so unlisted and may be a result of other than at the time of printing.

474 not positioned.jpg

474 not pos cl.jpg

474: 'doctor blade' flaw
Over most of the stamp, predominately on the right

474 dc.jpg

Two more single stamps appear on this page but I'm unsure as to why?
If anyone wants to have a closer look and advise the flaw please request and I will put up images for them.

There are also two more varieties noted in the strip of ten but I think this post is long enough so I will add those later.
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Re: Share your Australian Decimal Stamp Flaws (ACSC listed or not)

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castores,

The pace at which you are presenting this material is leaving me breathless!

Sorry, but I don't have answers to many of the question that are interwoven with the images.

I will say, though, that a couple of the "plate flaws" look more like surface abrasions.

Well done,

Philip

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PhilipAdams wrote:
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castores,

The pace at which you are presenting this material is leaving me breathless!

Sorry, but I don't have answers to many of the question that are interwoven with the images.

I will say, though, that a couple of the "plate flaws" look more like surface abrasions.

Well done,

Philip
Thanks Philip :D and yes I'm actually a bit breathless (more eye strain and a bit worn out).

I will leave alone for a little while even though I'd like to continue, must put eye drops in.
If you notice my times of posting I've been going since, ummm, since yesterday afternoon/evening (it is now 6:30am). Who's an idiot?

I will agree with you regarding surface abrasions, I'm working on what the original collector has noted.
He/she seems to be pretty savvy in buying these at the time.

A wiki (ACSC listings) should be produced at some point.

Peter :D
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Peter,

Might be good to have a break.

Can I suggest that when you do get back to these, that you consider putting the stamps in some sort of order - by date or ACSC number, for example.

I find it difficult to give constructive feedback when birds are followed by QE2s, are followed by a commemorative or two, etc.

I like that you have settled on a given format for your headings.

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PhilipAdams wrote:
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Peter,

Might be good to have a break.

Can I suggest that when you do get back to these, that you consider putting the stamps in some sort of order - by date or ACSC number, for example.

I find it difficult to give constructive feedback when birds are followed by QE2s, are followed by a commemorative or two, etc.

I like that you have settled on a given format for your headings.

Philip
Philip,

I can't change the order now can I? So as I find or (hopefully) yourself and others add to the thread it will be out of order.

I appreciate all constructive feedback, and I thank you for not holding back.

The format was something that evolved and so yes hopefully I've settled on a standard.
Blue are ACSC.
Green are unlisted.
Everything nicely centred (and easy to use 'blank space' button) as the new formatting allows this very nicely.

Again, regarding the order, I totally agree and when I first joined this site (first time with 'threads') trying to follow anything was extremely confusing until I got used to it. Sorry but the order is as I find things or tire and move to something else (order was the original intention).

Also, I'll just add, I remember in an earlier post how you originally were looking at making a thread about decimals and then moved to Roos' or pre-decimal. I started with full motivation on pre-decimal but as my collection is meagre I decided to look at decimals (and started finding all sorts of things :D )

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And I hope you keep on enjoying and sharing your material, because it's a great hobby (even though my children have no idea what is fascinating about some bits of paper!)

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PhilipAdams wrote:
05 Aug 2020 07:48
And I hope you keep on enjoying and sharing your material, because it's a great hobby (even though my children have no idea what is fascinating about some bits of paper!)

Philip
Mine too !!!

Regarding order, possibly I'll put together a condensed page of ACSC only varieties in date order on this thread at some point - hopefully at the top of a new page and up to those posted prior to 'the' post.

That will also mean people will only need to scroll from there, unless they wish to look at unlisted.

Considering when I started this thread I never expected to get past one page, doing pretty good!
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castores wrote:
05 Aug 2020 07:22


A wiki (ACSC listings) should be produced at some point.

Peter :D
I'm watching

657d Retouch over 5 and void in left window. (Left stamp)

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GUTTERS wrote: I'm watching
That's nice to hear GUTTERS :)
Given enough listings it is a good idea.

This could then be the staging area prior to adding to the wiki.
Unlisted would then still be added on this thread as, who knows, we may find a constant (note, I suggested an earlier one being a constant - can't remember which - but obviously it is two stamps and therefore not constant, joined and interesting but not constant).

And thank you for contributing - I will now have to look.

Peter
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519d Top of the tiara extends beyond the top frame. (Right Stamp)

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519d Top of the tiara extends beyond the top frame. (Right Stamp)


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Saves me having to list it :D only used examples for me.
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545d Retouch in the blue at the left edge above the first A of Australia plus a white spot in the light blue above the upper right wing.


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515e Broken windscreen support.


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