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I note an earlier thread on this board re Earee's "Album Weeds".

I have the 2-volume 3rd edition of 1906, but find that since I completed my set of Bynof-Smith, I very rarely have need to refer to Earee.

For those who haven't seen it, this is a 5 volume set published over several years in the early '90s thus:

1990 ... Forged Postage Stamps of the British Empire (193pp)
1991 ... of the Americas (206pp)
1992 ... of Africa and Asia (excluding colonies of European countries) (145pp)
1993 ... of Europe and colonies Albania to Greece (230pp) &
1993 ... of Europe and colonies Hungary to Ukraine (213pp)

Essentially it is pages selected from his extensive collection, the left hand pages being descriptive, the right hand being the illustrations, as below:


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This gives it two great advantages over Earee - both in illustrating the fakes, and also illustrating and describing the genuine.

I use it a lot to verify pre-1910 items (I'm working on filling a 1910 Ideal) being sold via TradeMe, especially those pesky German States and early Japan.

Where I tell the vendor they have a forgery, to date they have all been nice about it, and withdrawn the lot. Some put it back up almost immediately as a Forgery, and sometimes don't even change the start bid!

I picked up my volumes 2-5 as they were issued, but had to wait until earlier this year to finally win Volume 1 in an auction, having been outbid on several previous occasions.

I have not seen a full set offered as one lot, but would expect it to go for more than Earee.

Still, I think it's a great reference - does anyone know how many sets were issued??

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Adam ... I knew Harold quite well, and he lived nearby to me in Mosman, Sydney.

He bought me over quite a few sets which I retailed at the time.

I have a full set of the books in my library. (Not for sale unless to a VERY good offer!)

It was a small self publishing effort and of the Commonwealth he did more copies, but of the other volumes I THINK were 50 or maybe 100 sets, which is a shame as they were a valuable resource as you say.

His collection was auctioned off by Philas in NSW about 20 years ago is my guess.

I ended up with the GB 1884 2/- Brown, and the unique Tasmania 1892 £1 Tablet Sperati Forgery shown in his book - which is $A4,000:

http://www.glenstephens.com/sperati.html

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Are these book available as pdf files?
I cant find them nowhere (out of print)

I think there is no copyright for them today.

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amprantino wrote:Are these book available as pdf files?
I cant find them nowhere (out of print)

I think there is no copyright for them today.
Of course there's copyright.

Author's copyright persists for 50 years (in Australia & NZ, longer elsewhere) after the author's death, when it belongs to their estate. This covers words & illustrations.

Publisher's copyright (in the font, binding, format, layout etc) lasts, IIRC, for 25 years after publication.

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These books are out of print, really hard and obviously expensive to find. :(

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amprantino wrote:
These books are out of print, really hard and obviously expensive to find.
Like 100,000s of other titles.

They are out there if you really want to buy them.

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Of course there's copyright.

Author's copyright persists for 50 years (in Australia & NZ, longer elsewhere) after the author's death, when it belongs to their estate. This covers words & illustrations.

Publisher's copyright (in the font, binding, format, layout etc) lasts, IIRC, for 25 years after publication.

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I don't fully understand copyright law but this is what it states on the National Library of Australia https://trove.nla.gov.au/work/5860669?q&versionId=6804432 (TROVE) website...

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amprantino wrote:
These books are out of print, really hard and obviously expensive to find.
Like 100,000s of other titles.

They are out there if you really want to buy them.

"Knowledge Is Power"
Thats why I am searching for these books (not the paper, the text inside :lol: :lol: )
From my search, those books are recommended as the best resource on the topic.

I think the above link, is a good excuse to make a trip to Australia :mrgreen:

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I don't fully understand copyright law but this is what it states on the National Library of Australia http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/5860669?q&versionId=6804432 (TROVE) website...
This just shows it is "In Copyright", and not owned by the Government.

Following up the copyright links there shows that in Australia in 2005 the copyright period was extended, for items still in copyright, from 50 to 70 years after the author's death, to match the USA (part of some free trade agreement). Government-owned copyrights remained at 50 years. Publishers' copyrights remain at 25 years.

New Zealand remains with 50 years.

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If the copyright owner is not deceased and he doesn't mind, then I can quite easily organise a short run reprint. My local printer can print them off and glue bind (or spiral, or lose, whatever), them as books in no time.

I just need access to reasonable copies for scanning and cleaning up. Shame it wasn't in colour.

Naturally I will pay a commission on sales to allow the use of his copyright. Without copyright then I hold back ("in trust") something reasonable just in case.

If he has since deceased then I would need to attempt to track down the current copyright owner and seek permission or if they wished to sell the copyright to me, then a price.

However short run publications privately done are notoriously difficult to track down the owners. In many cases, no one has a clue.

As long as the attempt is made and documented then even without copyright ownership permission, a reprint is still a possibility.

I prefer to sling the owner some benefit for a lifetime of work though! :D

I see no reason that useful knowledge such as this should be kept out of mainstream availability and at a high cost.
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Thanks for the copyright info guys.

Surely it would be in the author's interest to have a re-print done, after all, he's making nothing on the re-sale of those already in the public domain.

I don't know the chap but if anyone can get hold of him, it might be worth his while & ours to get another print out there

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I have bought this one, it's the 2000 revised edition.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0940403889/ref=pe_385040_30332200_pe_309540_26725410_item

I am still huntung the H. Bynof-Smith books

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Chadlad wrote:
Surely it would be in the author's interest to have a re-print done, after all, he's making nothing on the re-sale of those already in the public domain.

I don't know the chap but if anyone can get hold of him, it might be worth his while & ours to get another print out there
I understand Harold is long passed. :idea:

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Prestige sold the set of 5, individually, back in September 2003, for $515 against an estimate of $190.

That was one of the auctions where I was outbid for the Volume 1 I wanted at the time. :?

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As far I understand, not all of us want the prototype that has collectibe value.
A reprint, or even a pdf, would be great! :-)

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Full set up on ebay now - 269 GBP buy now - that seems a good price

https://www.ebay.com/itm/141804985856

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This cover sold last week for $A5,078 at Arthur Gray. Over double estimate.

I was a bidder on it in the room, but it went far too high in my view.

Oddly, that cover looked near identical to the Bynoff Smith one. But on close examination I believe they are different, which is most curious.

POSTAL FORGERY: 2d red on gummed unwatermarked paper Perf 11 BW #103cc two examples - one very fine, the other torn in half before being affixed (and obvious only on close examination) - tied to a cover to Adelaide by Sydney 'POST EARLY IN THE DAY' slogan cancellation of 23MAR/1932, a couple of really insignificant blemishes still the finest "Irish Sweepstakes" cover we have seen.

Cat $6000: see Note 3 on page 4/283. The ACSC states "about six covers are recorded, with dates of 23 24 or 27 March 1932, of which two are franked with two examples of the forgery".

This is a very significant postal history item, proving actual usage of the forgeries. By contrast, the only covers bearing the related forgery of the 2d Sydney Harbour Bridge are uncancelled or were created by collectors after the arrest of the perpetrators of the fraud.

Although there appears to be no record of the first date on which the KGV forgeries were used, this cover bears the Earliest Recorded Date and may, in fact, be a First Day Cover.

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I think the cover (on the Bynof book cover) is a forgery of the forgery cover.
Look how badly the stamps have been printed.

I do see that they are not identical though, but someone went to a decent length to even get the typing mistakes copied.
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I would say the image on the cover has been 'enhanced' - although not very well.

The perfs are drawn in, and the red color brought out, probably on a old color photocopy machine.

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It's not the same cover.
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Looking at them both carefully Greg I think Bynoff Smith or someone crudely retouched his cover from the front page.

You can still see the tear on stamp 1! So it is the same cover but crudely touched up for some reason.

Someone has moved the sender handstamp portion on the front cover pic, and made it much clearer.

He owned the cover all right - I bought many of the pieces Harold sold - the Tasmania Sperati £1 Forgery etc in this book, and sold at same time as the cover. Arthur will have bought the cover.

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It would be simple enough to figure out :D

If the cover really exists, it would have been in Smith's collection when it was sold - an item like this would have been noticed in the auction.

The 'Return to sender' stamp has been retyped in a different font.

Edit :D Glenn beat me to it :shock:

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That's a lot of "touched up". The cancel has moved, the boxed square has the N jamming into the 8, the handstamp decided to head left and change font slightly, the slogan shifted and they turned the P into a bad R, etc etc. :D
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Looks drawn, probably from an old photocopy

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ewen s wrote:Looks drawn, probably from an old photocopy
Ewen .. not sure if you understand what these books were.

They were ACTUAL fakes Harold owned. His album pages comprised the content of each book.

Every page contained FAKES of stamps and/or covers.

All pages were auctioned off, 15 or so years back.
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The angle of the "If not claimed" handstamp is different on the two covers.......in my view of the two scans. I would subscribe to the theory that one has been altered for clarity of presentation.

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What I meant was that the cover shown on the front page of the book is the same cover but looks drawn rather than photocopied.

The edges of each cover are close enough to show it is meant to be the same cover (I think).

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And I see someone has just taken the 5 vol set on eBay by Buy Now. :)

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And I see someone has just taken the 5 vol set on eBay by Buy Now. :)
You should ask that seller for a "spotter's fee". :lol: :lol:

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I'd be interested to know if anyone has copies of both the Serrane Guide and Bynof-Smith.

Both look indispensable for self-expertising the earlies but they are both a significant investment.

Would be keen to know how they compare for usability and whether there is much duplication between them.

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If you meant the Album Weeds, you can find it here as a PDF. http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=60568&p=4114216#p4114216

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This cover sold last week for $A5,078 at Arthur Gray. Over double estimate.

I was a bidder on it in the room, but it went far too high in my view.

Oddly, that cover looked near identical to the Bynoff Smith one. But on close examination I believe they are different, which is most curious.

POSTAL FORGERY: 2d red on gummed unwatermarked paper Perf 11 BW #103cc two examples - one very fine, the other torn in half before being affixed (and obvious only on close examination) - tied to a cover to Adelaide by Sydney 'POST EARLY IN THE DAY' slogan cancellation of 23MAR/1932, a couple of really insignificant blemishes still the finest "Irish Sweepstakes" cover we have seen.

Cat $6000: see Note 3 on page 4/283. The ACSC states "about six covers are recorded, with dates of 23 24 or 27 March 1932, of which two are franked with two examples of the forgery".

This is a very significant postal history item, proving actual usage of the forgeries. By contrast, the only covers bearing the related forgery of the 2d Sydney Harbour Bridge are uncancelled or were created by collectors after the arrest of the perpetrators of the fraud.

Although there appears to be no record of the first date on which the KGV forgeries were used, this cover bears the Earliest Recorded Date and may, in fact, be a First Day Cover.

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I can confirm that Bynof-Smith owned the "genuine" forgery cover.

He bought it in one of my auctions c1990; the late Simon Dunkerley was vendor. I recall it was an original find.

The "enhanced" representation of the cover on front of Bynof-Smith book may have been performed for technical printing purposes?

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kuikka wrote:If you meant the Album Weeds, you can find it here as a PDF. http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=60568&p=4114216#p4114216
No, it's called The Serrane Guide. Originally published in the late '20's and then reissued in 1998. Acknowledged as being one of the definitive guides on forgeries.

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@Nick777VVV,


I have the complete set of Bynof-Smith's as well as Serrane.
Unfortunately, they are not enough to "self-expertise" anything. At best, they can be a starting point in your investigation.

The worst thing about Bynof-Smith are the images, which are horribly small = useless. Not worth the investment unless you collect literature.

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Hi Classical Stamps

Having just viewed your website it is clear you 'have form' in this area! Thank you for your advice.

If Serrane and Bynof-Smith are just starting points ("at best", so perhaps not even a starting point?), which publications do you think a self-expertiser ought to turn to first? Personally, I'm particularly interested in Latin America...

Your own site looks a wonderful resource. Unfortunately it doesn't show me why one stamp is genuine and why one is a forgery - that's the piece of information that I'm most interested in.

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I purchased my set of Bynof when I was collecting to fill an SG 1910 Ideal.

I would come across many dodgy early stamps.

While the illustrations are pretty useless, I found the brief descriptions of the salient points of the genuine and the same key points on the forgeries were nearly always enough to tell the difference.

I certainly never went back to my 2-volume Earee after that, where both description of genuine and forged were too verbose.

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Photobucket images above now repaired.

Also here's some internal page images to give a better idea of what Bynof-Smith's about.
Each pair are facing pages, with text on the left and images on the right.

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ClassicalStamps wrote:@Nick777VVV,

The worst thing about Bynof-Smith are the images, which are horribly small = useless. Not worth the investment unless you collect literature.
Looking at the above scans, I can't say I agree. The book actually looks quite useful.

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Nick,


There are excellent literature covering forgeries from Latin America. What countries are you interested in?

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adam78 wrote:Prestige sold the set of 5, individually, back in September 2003, for $515 against an estimate of $190.

That was one of the auctions where I was outbid for the Volume 1 I wanted at the time. :?
Yes they get huge prices on the few times I have seem them offered. The full set 5 in my library goes up a little each year. :)

The best general reference book set of this type - by FAR.

As chance had it, I bought by far the best seller of the lot, Volume 1 "Forged Postage Stamps of the British Empire" by Harold Bynof-Smith today in an Estate. Has a HEAP of info and good images on Australia, States, and British Pacifics of course. Big book - 193pages. :idea:

I've seen them get over $200 second hand at Auction. This estate one is $A115 (Stock 729FQ) for any member that does not have it. 8)
adam78 wrote:I note an earlier thread on this board re Earee's "Album Weeds".

I have the 2-volume 3rd edition of 1906, but find that since I completed my set of Bynof-Smith, I very rarely have need to refer to Earee.

For those who haven't seen it, this is a 5 volume set published over several years in the early '90s thus:

1990 ... Forged Postage Stamps of the British Empire (193pp)

Essentially it is pages selected from his extensive collection, the left hand pages being descriptive, the right hand being the illustrations, as below:

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This gives it two great advantages over Earee - both in illustrating the fakes, and also illustrating and describing the genuine.

I picked up my volumes 2-5 as they were issued, but had to wait until earlier this year to finally win Volume 1 in an auction, having been outbid on several previous occasions.

Still, I think it's a great reference - does anyone know how many sets were issued??

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Glen I'll take it and will contact you separately.

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David, has checked his library and advises he actually DOES have this Bynof-Smith so any member who does NOT please add a post or email me. :)

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Hi Glen
I'd really like this book to complete my set if it is still available.
I'll send you an email.
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Jeneralist - a very handy book - all yours. :)
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Thanks Glen - order has been placed.
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Bought another copy in an Estate today. :)

A TOTALLY ESSENTIAL BOOK TO OWN!

1990 ... Forged Postage Stamps of the British Empire (193pp)

This has the usual issue with this series, of the pages not binding well to the spine, due to the pretty low tech glue the original printer used 40 years back! .

A visit to Officeworks etc and hand over $5 to ask them to punch in a spiro edging lie flat binding as I did with my office copies, and you are all set for life! :mrgreen:

Price reduced $20 over my last copy to cover that. :)

$95 plus post - (Stock 693JQ)

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