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Thankyou for the Mackay update Browny. Love the rubber called stamp. Not seen it before.
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Ubobo.R.O. wrote:Even though it is only the second date recorded my preliminary rating would be R.

This would change over time if paids become more popular.
Terry, that's the first occasion on which I've encountered a subjective approach to Rarity related to Demand for a given cancellation type?

I always thought "Rarity" was an unbiased assessment? Isn't "Demand" an ebb and flow element?

Your clarification will be welcome.

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It is a system that I have used right from the very first edition. It seems to have worked well as the amount of adjustments that I have made has been surprising small.
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Ubobo.R.O. wrote:It is a system that I have used right from the very first edition. It seems to have worked well as the amount of adjustments that I have made has been surprising small.
Fair enough, Terry; I've learnt something.

Do you have a theory as to why Qld "PAID" cancels are not more popular?

Their apparent unpopularity would appear to represent a collecting opportunity to me?

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No idea why paids seem to be unpopular Rod. They seem to sell at half the price as a similarly rated normal over the counter cancel.

Perhaps because they are often on plain, window faced envelopes ?

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Not very exciting is it ! See my comment re Browny's cover on the previous page.

His is the second recorded date mine is the first.
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Ubobo.R.O. wrote:No idea why paids seem to be unpopular Rod. They seem to sell at half the price as a similarly rated normal over the counter cancel.

Perhaps because they are often on plain, window faced envelopes ?

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Not very exciting is it ! See my comment re Browny's cover on the previous page.

His is the second recorded date mine is the first.
Fair comment, Terry.

One could perhaps argue that the following cover, unexciting as it also may be, is similarly typical for a "PAID" cds:
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Compared to, say, a 1963 cover with a regular cds, franked with QEII 5d blue, there arguably isn't a lot of difference in "excitement" level?

If, as you state, "PAIDS" sell for about half the price of a similarly rated equivalent counter cds, I repeat my above comment: "Their apparent unpopularity would appear to represent a collecting opportunity to me?"

You may wish to note, I selected what I believe to be an early date for this "PAID".

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Call me crazy; to me that's certainly nicer and likely more scarce than 99% of anything that survived from it's use, fifty-six years ago.

That said, the lack of a stamp on the cover would be a dealbreaker for traditional collectors. "Where does it fit in my collection?", et cetera.

I'm sure I don't need to remind Mr. Perry of this, but for everybody else; best to accumulate these for the day everybody else realises their value. :lol:

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Call me crazy; to me that's certainly nicer and likely more scarce than 99% of anything that survived from it's use, fifty-six years ago.

That said, the lack of a stamp on the cover would be a dealbreaker for traditional collectors. "Where does it fit in my collection?", et cetera.

I'm sure I don't need to remind Mr. Perry of this, but for everybody else; best to accumulate these for the day everybody else realises their value. :lol:
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I love your "best to accumulate these for the day everybody else realises their value".

Probably not the appropriate forum to relate this, but in my considerable commercial experience, less than one percent of one percent pursue that doctrine.

But, I'm as guilty as most!

In early 1970s, I bought the George Kreutzmann (Sydney) hoard of China, at a Harmers of Sydney auction.

Offered as one lot, in a carton, I knew about as much of China philately as did the auctioneers, but risked approx $1100 . . . on a potential folly; probably $20k in today's money. The 19th century/early 20th century covers smelt "good" (not that in reality I had "the nose").

Subsequently, I've witnessed adequate auction activity in modern times to appreciate, in selling that hoard early, I let a Sydney harbour side mansion (no, not to the extent of Malcolm's) slip through my hands.

The late Laurie Franks of NZ, whose China collection was sold by a leading Hong Kong auction house, was a big buyer of my China hoard. Laurie, a shrewd dealer/collector, must have had difficulty concealing his frothing at the mouth, when he bought from me.

Sadly, for me, I recognised in his auction that several of those six-figure estimate covers Laurie had bought from me.

I should not, but occasionally do dwell upon what PRC material was in that gigantic hoard. Those things looked like George's recently supplied New issues, still pristine in their glassine packets.

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Hi Terry,

Here is another update for you:

Pratten: New ERD by 7 years! Jy 9 1917.

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Thanks Browny but this is a state unframed type.
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Yep of course! :oops:
Saw it was used in commonwealth timeframe and posted without checking type!

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The boys on the KGV thread should be able to plate it for you.
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I would guess we all have a number of these hanging around. Mine are inconsistently sorted, some in the state era and some in the Commonwealth era.

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The boys on the KGV thread should be able to plate it for you.
I'd looked at this and believe it is variety "Thinned left frame"
ACSC 71(3)n VI/22
(But definitely not a plating expert, and stand to be corrected!)

I still prefer postmarks to plate varieties, so it will be housed within the Queensland file - not the KGV! :wink:

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VI/22. Yep! Terry, even you should be able to plate that.

But happy to admit that your ignorance of plate flaws is exceeded by my ignorance of postmarks.
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Mackay type 1t(ii). 28mm.

New ERD: 22 Ap 11.

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Ravenswood Junction. type 1. (RR)

New ERD by 2 years: 1 Jly 1911.

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Terry,

An ERD for the Townsville MSO (May 30, 1979), only a week earlier than that in your book.

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Terry,

I think the Registered Brisbane 8 backstamp is one you have listed in your book, but have no dates, the Beaudesert is pretty standard.

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Indeed it is Peter ! And with the original LDL dateline changed to SDL. Nice find !
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Hi Terry,

Relief canceller:
P & T DEPT -E.

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new ERD for you: 27 Au 26.

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Terry,

This one has me a little confused, the front has 2 Holland Park East (5s) and then appears to have a Holland Park East (6s) on the reverse, but it is significantly earlier than the ERD in your book (31 OC 74 rather than 30 AU 78), I thought it may have been Holland Park West but that only has a 5s, so not sure what is going on.

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Holland Park East. Type 6s. Thankyou for the new earliest date.
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Terry, the copy I have of the Queensland Steel Datestamps has Tambourine Mountain listed thus:

MOUNT TAMBOURINE 6km NNE of Canungra

TAMBOURINE MOUNTAIN renamed. Receiving Office 1921-1924; Post Office 1924 until renamed MOUNT TAMBORINE 1926

It has one date recorded in 1924 and rated 4R.

PPA have this info.

Tambourine Mountain (2)

RO 20/7/1892; renamed Mount Tambourine RO c.-/1/1921.

I chanced across this stamp on feebay and 'bought it just on speck as follows'.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/202663346148

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It would appear both entries need a re-write.
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The Tamborines and the Mounts as it is in the current edition of Dell & Price. (2017) Thanks for the ERD.
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The Tamborines and the Mounts as it is in the current edition of Dell & Price. (2017) Thanks for the ERD.
And since the latest edition is available for free why is anyone using an old version.

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This blue ink postmark caught my eye - not my stamp, but as it's not mentioned I thought I'd share.
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Here's a card from Queensland with a Westbrook Sidings postmark from 1912. I see a similar (unframed one) mentioned on the Queensland Postmarks thread but unfortunately the Toowoomba SC website is awol so I can't see whether this is remarkable or ordinary.

Can anybody tell me how this rates, please?
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Ian. Your postcard is 1912 so is listed under Westbrook. Below is the link to download the reference work.
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Below is the link to download the reference work.
https://www.toowoombastampclub.org/pubs.htm
A link that almost never works putting that great work out of reach of many or even most collectors. I am not sure what makes this a bad link but most ISPs find it objectionable and prevent a connection.

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I am using a non fancy laptop which has Windows 8.1 and Firefox added and Telstra as my ISP and never have a problem as you can see as I added (and tested) the link this morning.
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dwhopper wrote:
Below is the link to download the reference work.
https://www.toowoombastampclub.org/pubs.htm
A link that almost never works putting that great work out of reach of many or even most collectors. I am not sure what makes this a bad link but most ISPs find it objectionable and prevent a connection.
Agree. It never seems to work, unfortunately. :cry:

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Like I said.
norvic wrote: unfortunately the Toowoomba SC website is awol so I can't see whether this is remarkable or ordinary.

Can anybody tell me how this rates, please?
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Safari says much the same.

So how many grades of R and S are there? I concede I haven't read this whole thread.
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Ratings: Common, Scarce, Rare ( 1R 2R 3R 4R )
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Thank you, reasonably rare then.
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Below is the link to download the reference work.
https://www.toowoombastampclub.org/pubs.htm


A link that almost never works putting that great work out of reach of many or even most collectors. I am not sure what makes this a bad link but most ISPs find it objectionable and prevent a connection.
There is something fundamentally wrong with this link and it is tied up in security somehow. I can get to the site through my phone, but not my desktop or notebook. The FACT is that many people find it hard to access and it is a shame.

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Just another data point - this link just now timed out for me -

https://www.toowoombastampclub.org/pubs.htm

Never clicked on it before, but just a data point. After 10pm now, so not a high traffic timeslot?
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Yes, it seems that only one member here doesn't get that message.

Perhaps somebody could be persuaded to load the file onto Dropbox, or some other cloud-based system that wouldn't be such a problem.
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If you email member davidtoo ( the OP ) he may be able to deal with your request.
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Is there some way Glen can host a pdf here?

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There was a problem with the website that is well beyond my knowledge of the internet to try and explain. The changes have been made but take a day or so to take effect.

Thanks to norvic for his assistance

As to the speed from Glens post, I click on the link there and it opens in a fraction of a second.

If anyone had further issues with accessing the website after the weekend, please provide a screen shot of the error message.

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All working now David, and the download completed as well.

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Works fine here now. Well done. :)
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Still does not work for me. I am using Firefox.

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Re: Queensland Steel Datestamps Commonwealth Period 2nd Edit

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Works well now from both office and home. Thank you for whatever changes were made and whoever made them.

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MJ's pet wrote:Still does not work for me. I am using Firefox.

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I use Firefox, and it is fine.

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^^I would hope they are fixing it.

But it has never worked, even before the cable was chewed by the shark. :idea:

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I thought I noticed something when I was fishing the other day.

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There is a WERNADINGA / QUEENSLAND datestamp on a business reply envelope which has recently been listed on Ebay.

I checked the entry in the Queensland datestamps book, and it appears that this cds had not been recorded before, as there is no data for it.

Unfortunately the Ebay image is too blurry to give a date of use, however there is a postage due on the cover, so it must be 1963 or earlier.

As I am on my phone, I cannot post images here. However a search on Ebay for Business Reply / all locations / newest listed should find this item.

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