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Auction on ebay, GB 1840 1d Black Plate 7, 4-Margin on piece?

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I need some serious help from this forum. :(

I was looking for an affordable Penny black since I restarted by hobby and my husband decided to surprise me by finding it in an ebay auction. He came with me few minutes back with the winning bid.

Though I am happy, I am concerned with ebay authenticity esp when it comes to classic like Penny Black. The seller has no other listings, he has good reviews though.

Also I am unable to make a decision based on one image.

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Item Name : Great Britain 1840 Penny Black Plate 7, 4-Margins on Original Piece

Seller: bygonesofbridlington (97051 )100% Positive feedback

Lot number : 363541942620

URI : https://www.ebay.com/itm/363541942620

What I need to know

1. Authenticity of the product
2. Is it worth approx 108 USD + Shipping !
3. Can I trust ebay seller and ebay on high value items !
4. And any other advice/feedback from experienced collectors here.

Thank you so much in advance
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It is clearly NOT 4 margins, not even close, and you need new glasses if it appears to be that to you. Of course it is genuine but whether it is Plate 7 who knows, if they cannot even be honest about margins.

Why ask anyone else AFTER YOU BOUGHT IT?

You bought it - it is yours. If seller called it an 1840 2d Blue would you believe that too? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Just because an ebay seller claims anything, means ZERO.

You have 2 eyes, and you make your own call on what to pay.

''I am unable to make a decision based on one image.'' What nonsense! How any images do you need to see it is clearly NOT 4 margins!!!!

If a 3 margin copy is worth $A150, plus high Registered post costs, and nasty India inward taxes to you, only you can decide.

You did the classic ebay Bunny tap dancing amateur move of making many bids for days. This allows the seller to have shill bid house accounts force you up -

https://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/363541942620?item=36354194 ... 7675.l2565

NO-ONE sane bids on ANYTHING on ebay until the last 4 seconds, to stop that, and not show others how keen you are.

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I have occasionally purchased stamps from bygonesofbridlington on eBay and I never had any problems - I believe he is a reliable seller.

I'm no expert on 1d blacks, but to me it seems genuine on first glance. Hopefully some of the experts on this board would be able to confirm whether or not it is indeed from Plate 7 - if they don't see thread you can always post it here: https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=22503

I can't comment that much on the price and I'm sure others are more familiar with the market for 1d blacks than I am, but I don't think GBP 78 is that excessive as the stamp seems to be in decent condition despite having 3 and not 4 margins.
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Re: Auction on ebay - Great Britain 1840 Penny Black Plate 7, 4-Margins on Original Piece

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21 Sep 2021 01:30
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It is clearly NOT 4 margins, not even close, and you need new glasses if it appears to be that to you.

Why ask anyone else?

You bought it - it is yours. If seller called it an 1840 2d Blue would you believe that too? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Just because an ebay seller claims anything, means ZERO.

You have 2 eyes, and you make your own call.

''I am unable to make a decision based on one image.'' What nonsense! How any mages do you need to see it is clearly NOT 4 margins!!!!

If a 3 margin copy is worth $A150, plus high Registered post costs, and nasty India inward taxes to you, only you can decide.

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Thank You Glen. Sorry I did not take much time writing everything in detail:

1. I have never bought anything ever in auction.

2. I have never bought any high value items from international websites.

3. I collect only Indian Stamps and still a beginner. Still in the process of reading and learning about Philately.

4. I was not ready to buy a Penny Black and was still researching about it. I wanted to buy one in future.

5. Husband surprising me with some ebay bid made me reach out here.

6. I have eyes, yes, and I can make my own call.I can see margins. But I clearly do not know about prints, plates, stars, etc clearly yet. So asked about authenticity. And I do not know what is the right value for what kind of Penny Black.

I asked advice from this group as there are experts here.

I posted here coz I did not wanted to let go of my husband's gift and I do not have the expertise to assess this stamp correctly.

I did not know I am not supposed to ask others. Will refrain from doing that in future if it does not comply with rules in this forum. Thanks again. Have a good day sir.
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HalfpennyYellow wrote:
21 Sep 2021 02:06
I have occasionally purchased stamps from bygonesofbridlington on eBay and I never had any problems - I believe he is a reliable seller.

I'm no expert on 1d blacks, but to me it seems genuine on first glance. Hopefully some of the experts on this board would be able to confirm whether or not it is indeed from Plate 7 - if they don't see thread you can always post it here: https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=22503

I can't comment that much on the price and I'm sure others are more familiar with the market for 1d blacks than I am, but I don't think GBP 78 is that excessive as the stamp seems to be in decent condition despite having 3 and not 4 margins.
Thank you so much HalfpennyYellow. I am relieved to hear your experience with the seller.

As you suggested, will wait to hear from others and then post in the thread. Meanwhile I am reading through Warwick guide to understand more about the same.

Glad to hear that the price is reasonable for what is visible in picture.

Really appreciate your help. Thanks again.
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lifeoutsidecubicle wrote:
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I have eyes, yes, and I can make my own call. I can see margins.

Ask all you like here. Ideally BEFORE committing a lot of money to an obvious lair seller.

Your chosen ebay seller cheerfully says FOUR margins.

I can see THREE margins.

Do you see THREE margins or FOUR margins?

READ my reply above. :roll:
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I can confirm this stamp is from Plate 7

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lifeoutsidecubicle wrote:
21 Sep 2021 02:16
I have eyes, yes, and I can make my own call. I can see margins.

Ask all you like here. Ideally BEFORE committing a lot of money to an obvious lair seller.

Your chosen ebay seller cheerfully says FOUR margins.

I can see THREE margins.

Do you see THREE margins or FOUR margins?

READ my reply above. :roll:
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I saw THREE Sir and my question/concern was never about margins.

I wanted to know - about seller, if its ok to pay 108$ and needed some help with verifying the plate to know if this is an original.


If this was not a gift, I would have cancelled this order saying incorrect description.


Its rare that someone goes out of their way to find something that matters.

If the stamp is real and if the price is ok for even a 3 margin stamp, I want to get it. That's all. Thanks again.
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W5LDY wrote:
21 Sep 2021 02:33
I can confirm this stamp is from Plate 7
Thanks much. Appreciate it.
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Plate 7 is one of the cheaper plates.

MARGINS are the main determinant of value on these things.

Anyway, you clearly do not mind a 3 margin copy, despite seller stating 4 margin, so all good. (For him)

Of course your husband will leave negative feedback for seller - correct?

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I have bought many stamps from this seller and found him to be utterly reliable. On the few occasions I have needed to return an item I have been refunded promptly with no quibbles. He is not a GB specialist dealer so I can forgive the occasional inaccurate description.

$108.00 dollars equates to about £80.00, so not exhorbitant for a 3-margin clean copy with a neat maltese cross cancel. Someone else must have thought it worth spending £79.00 on it. And yes, it is from plate 7.
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Thank You Bill. Thank you very much :)
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It’s a reasonable purchase in my opinion.

While 3 margins (but complete design), it is nice, clean and with a good cancellation.

No doubt genuine.

Enjoy this nice gift from your husband.

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Thanks Joel. I am happy and he will be pleased to know. ty ty
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"Well, it is four margin, albeit they are split over two stamps".

And that seemingly flippant comment is why, perhaps, it does get lifted above other two/three margin offers you encounter on eBay.

It will write up nicely.
The penny black was notorious for clerks missing the space between lines to cut accurately, giving us a huge market in "less than perfection".

When you see how wide that space it, and its clearly shown here, (then get yourself back to Victorian Britain, where rooms were not best lit), you can see quite clearly "the expedient method with which the clerk cut this row / sheet".

And as an example, that's nice to have.
(Many collections do not have "adjoined particles", and "miss a bit of the story").

BygonesofBridlington? Good vendor - You could probably find searches here of some of his naïve descriptions, (plate 77, anyone?), but he stands by all his sales and "does the right thing" as far as goods returned, if unhappy.

Plated correctly, value wise perhaps $90-$95 would have been keener (or more correctly "an excellent price" .... NB they take time to find!!).

Given that you are "in ballpark valuewise, from a good vendor, and a gift from an adoring husband", I'm not sure "value" really comes into it. Its a token that will write up well, and be a centrepiece of "how Victorians did things"..... I don't expect you'd want to sell it soon, and it should give you many years "Joy of ownership".

(Well, hopefully, they both will :D )

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Hello everybody,

I state that I know almost nothing of penny blacks and GB stamps in general, but I'm curious to know by now much you depreciate a similar defective stamp in comparison to catalogue value, i.e. a fine one.

You say that 100$ is a fair price for this item, but how much would you pay for a perfect one?

If I look at our Italian old states, which all had imperforated stamps, the fact of having part of the image cut away is quite a serious defect.

Those stamps are regarded as second or third choice (depending on how large is the space within adjoining stamps) and their commercial value cut up to 90% from catalogue value (this does not apply to rarities). It must also be said that almost all Italian catalogues are overpriced :D

So, on Italian market, a similar stamp would fetch almost 1000 whether in perfect condition, would this be the case in your opinion?

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Andrea, yes clearly 3 margins is far less costly than 4 margins - all other factors being equal, like cancels and plates.

Most European countries as you say, seriously discount 3 margin copies. Try selling 3 margin German States imperfs!

This collector is new, and will learn the norms sooner or later one hopes. And to STUDY images, and not demand more - one is ample here. Not the worst copy out there for sure, but of course savvy collectors focus on getting 4 margin copies of their field at an attractive price right at the onset.

In Penny Black cases, they can be had for not a lot more. Smart policy.

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I think Bygonesofbridlington sells lots on Ebay on a commission basis . The description will not be his , but the sellers . He never sells rubbish , and mostly has plenty of bidders . Very genuine person . I have met him ,and also bought stamps off him at his shop in Bridlington . I knew more about some of his stamps then did . Robert

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ViccyVFU wrote:
21 Sep 2021 04:47

"Well, it is four margin, albeit they are split over two stamps".

And that seemingly flippant comment is why, perhaps, it does get lifted above other two/three margin offers you encounter on eBay.

It will write up nicely.
The penny black was notorious for clerks missing the space between lines to cut accurately, giving us a huge market in "less than perfection".

When you see how wide that space it, and its clearly shown here, (then get yourself back to Victorian Britain, where rooms were not best lit), you can see quite clearly "the expedient method with which the clerk cut this row / sheet".

And as an example, that's nice to have.
(Many collections do not have "adjoined particles", and "miss a bit of the story").

BygonesofBridlington? Good vendor - You could probably find searches here of some of his naïve descriptions, (plate 77, anyone?), but he stands by all his sales and "does the right thing" as far as goods returned, if unhappy.

Plated correctly, value wise perhaps $90-$95 would have been keener (or more correctly "an excellent price" .... NB they take time to find!!).

Given that you are "in ballpark valuewise, from a good vendor, and a gift from an adoring husband", I'm not sure "value" really comes into it. Its a token that will write up well, and be a centrepiece of "how Victorians did things"..... I don't expect you'd want to sell it soon, and it should give you many years "Joy of ownership".

(Well, hopefully, they both will :D )
Your observation and perspective is mind-boggling. Now that I have read your comment, I cannot un-see the FOURTH MARGIN and I am smiling. If one goes through the chain of comments, it is interesting to see how different people perceive things differently.

You are right, value does not matter that much. Though my husband does not know a thing about stamps/auctions/ebay he has tried to find few things based on what I was mumbling all month. And his gesture means a lot (though I am gonna stop him from bidding on anything else ;) )

I was worried about seller credibility/facsimile/very less value.

But, as you and few others said, this is - "ballpark valuewise, from a good vendor, and a gift from an adoring husband". Will try to get this one and it will be there with my birthday gifts forever.

PS: Now I need to check if there are any hassles to receive this in India.

Thanks a ton :D :D :D
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Another thing to consider is the size of the margins - i’d certainly take a 3 margin example with huge margins over a 4 margin one very closely cut on each margin.

Yes it’s true the seller could claim 4 margin on the close cut one but the 3 huge margin example would be far more appealing to the eye.

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21 Sep 2021 05:37
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Andrea, yes clearly 3 margins is far less costly than 4 margins - all other factors being equal, like cancels and plates.

Most European countries as you say, seriously discount 3 margin copies. Try selling 3 margin German States imperfs!

This collector is new, and will learn the norms sooner or later one hopes. And to STUDY images, and not demand more - one is ample here. Not the worst copy out there for sure, but of course savvy collectors focus on getting 4 margin copies of their field at an attractive price right at the onset.

In Penny Black cases, they can be had for not a lot more. Smart policy.

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OMG. You are still going on and on about margins etc etc! Let me tell you, THIS IS MORE ABOUT GIFT & GESTURE for me (most people here have understood that)

I am not a collector YET. I am taking baby steps with India stamps. I have no stamps of rest of the world.

I am glad to have found nice people who understand where I stand and are helping out in positive encouraging way.

And I am confident that with such sensible people around, i will surely learn a lot about Philately and turn out to be a descent collector one fine day.

Thank You for sharing this link. I am happy to know how badly my husband wanted to get me the world's first stamp and i am gonna ignore your opinion regd my husband's sanity

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You did the classic ebay Bunny tap dancing amateur move of making many bids for days. This allows the seller to have shill bid house accounts force you up -

https://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/363541942620?item=36354194 ... 7675.l2565

NO-ONE sane bids on ANYTHING on ebay until the last 4 seconds, to stop that, and not show others how keen you are.
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In relation to the difference in price between a 4 margin Penny Black and a 3 margin one, BB Stamps (probably the biggest dealer in GB these days) have issued their new pricelist today and they have

4 margin Fine Used £275
3 margin Fine Used £95

For a lower grade, "Good Used" the prices drop to £175/£75

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In relation to the difference in price between a 4 margin Penny Black and a 3 margin one, BB Stamps (probably the biggest dealer in GB these days) have issued their new pricelist today and they have

4 margin Fine Used £275
3 margin Fine Used £95

For a lower grade, "Good Used" the prices drop to £175/£75
For a common plate, you’d be absolutely mad to pay £275 for a 4 margin penny black. £150 maximum for fine used. Plenty of reputable dealers on eBay will sell you a fine 4 margin copy for that price so why pay more?

£275 would probably even get you a decent 4 margin on cover!

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parkgate270160 wrote:
21 Sep 2021 05:46
I think Bygonesofbridlington sells lots on Ebay on a commission basis . The description will not be his , but the sellers . He never sells rubbish , and mostly has plenty of bidders . Very genuine person . I have met him ,and also bought stamps off him at his shop in Bridlington . I knew more about some of his stamps then did . Robert
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Penny Blacks remain in demand, but there are lots around. Cavendish has an auction coming October 6 that has several dozen nice copies.

This is a pretty stamp and a really nice cancel. The top margin is unfortunate, so for resale value this will hurt. Who cares? It is pretty, and a good four margin copy might cost double this. Enjoy and use the unspent premium on a top notch Penny Red

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GB 789 wrote:
21 Sep 2021 06:59

it’s true the seller could claim 4 margin on the close cut one

OMG.

ebay is the place for you then.

If you cannot see that stamp has a totally cut into design along top you are in the wrong hobby. THREE margins is not FOUR margins.

You are the only one on the thread except for the OP who cannot see that.

I guess seller claiming all his light hinged stamp are unhinged is OK with you then, as that description is "pretty close to unhinged"?


THREE margins is not FOUR margins - except on ebay, and in the dream world of ''GB 789''
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I often purchase from this seller and the vast majority of items I have been interested in are correctly described, he turns over a large stock mostly at 99p start prices (not many dealers seem to do this nowadays on Ebay) so you can always find a good buy if you are prepared to wait and watch how prices fare for stamps in similar condition, compared with the main 'dealer' expensive BINs and the general overpriced dross that abounds on Ebay.

It pays to know your subject and check details like the plate yourself (there are plenty of online resources to do this for any penny black), and check the description and photos, he does occasional make mistakes, but (almost) anyone can see that this is a cut into 3 margin stamp, so bid accordingly. I had to return an item once but was refunded without a problem.

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So, reading your answers, it becomes quite clear that Italian philatelists are much more picky than British ones :lol:
For you a 3 margins stamp is just valued at half a fine one, in comparison to our market where you can have up to 90% discount!

To lifeoutsidecubicle, don't worry about your stamp. It's a gift from your lover and you will always keep it as such. No need to resell it and don't worry about its value, a gift I a gift. :D
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GB1840 wrote:
21 Sep 2021 19:53
I often purchase from this seller and the vast majority of items I have been interested in are correctly described, he turns over a large stock mostly at 99p start prices (not many dealers seem to do this nowadays on Ebay) so you can always find a good buy if you are prepared to wait and watch how prices fare for stamps in similar condition, compared with the main 'dealer' expensive BINs and the general overpriced dross that abounds on Ebay.

It pays to know your subject and check details like the plate yourself (there are plenty of online resources to do this for any penny black), and check the description and photos, he does occasional make mistakes, but (almost) anyone can see that this is a cut into 3 margin stamp, so bid accordingly. I had to return an item once but was refunded without a problem.
Thank you for the feedback sir. Appreciate it. Yes you are right and I am going through multiple blogs and youtube videos to understand the same. And will spend some time watching and observing ebay. I will learn quick I believe. Good day to you.
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Re: Auction on ebay, GB 1840 1d Black Plate 7, 4-Margin on piece?

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andy66 wrote:
21 Sep 2021 23:11
So, reading your answers, it becomes quite clear that Italian philatelists are much more picky than British ones :lol:
For you a 3 margins stamp is just valued at half a fine one, in comparison to our market where you can have up to 90% discount!

To lifeoutsidecubicle, don't worry about your stamp. It's a gift from your lover and you will always keep it as such. No need to resell it and don't worry about its value, a gift I a gift. :D
Thanks mate. All clear with this particular one. Now, I am just gonna read and learn more about stamps of the world.

Have a beautiful day.
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Re: Auction on ebay, GB 1840 1d Black Plate 7, 4-Margin on piece?

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ottawasteve wrote:
21 Sep 2021 12:09
Penny Blacks remain in demand, but there are lots around. Cavendish has an auction coming October 6 that has several dozen nice copies.

This is a pretty stamp and a really nice cancel. The top margin is unfortunate, so for resale value this will hurt. Who cares? It is pretty, and a good four margin copy might cost double this. Enjoy and use the unspent premium on a top notch Penny Red
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And my "spidey sense" just went off.

There was nothing wrong (except for a absolutely wrong 4 margin description, which IS STILL THERE!) with the stamp at that price.

And it re-appears with the seller, likely after a refusal to pay?

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Such a loving gift that will be cherished ''forever and ever and ever.'' :!: :roll:



''Its rare that someone goes out of their way to find something that matters.

If the stamp is real and if the price is ok for even a 3 margin stamp, I want to get it. That's all

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Re: Auction on ebay, GB 1840 1d Black Plate 7, 4-Margin on piece?

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Allanswood wrote:
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And my "spidey sense" just went off.

There was nothing wrong (except for a absolutely wrong 4 margin description, which IS STILL THERE!) with the stamp at that price.

And it re-appears with the seller, likely after a refusal to pay?

FYI Sir. I don't say one thing and do another.
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Re: Auction on ebay, GB 1840 1d Black Plate 7, 4-Margin on piece?

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GB1840 wrote:
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Great-Britain-1840-Penny-Black-Pl ... 3682288369

Looks to have been relisted?
Yes. He cancelled the order.
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Re: Auction on ebay, GB 1840 1d Black Plate 7, 4-Margin on piece?

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Look at it in a positive way, you have another chance assumming the address issue can be resolved, and now with the information received can make a more informed decision on bidding.

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My comments were accurate.

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Hi Shruthi,

That's a bit of a kicker.

I hope bygonesofbridlington corresponded with you a bit, before "just issuing" this cancellation?

Just as eBay stresses to you that all bids are binding, they may need to investigate further why this dealer has ratted on the deal.

You can still leave feedback for cancellations.....
Its not under your "items bought", but it is still accessible via the community section.

In my books, if you lost no money (i.e. "just time"), go NEUTRAL,
with words like "Does not ship to India, despite listing they do"

But. if you feel "fully aggrieved", go NEGATIVE
(I have no suggested words - they need to be your own).

Of course, whilst this new listing is still open, you can "ask the vendor a question", or simply "communicate via eBay" to see if "whatever they claim" cannot be resolved.

They can pull the re-list, with "item no longer available" at anytime in the next couple of days (but not in the final few hours).

You can also complain to eBay that "the cancellation is not accepted", but that's a much longer route, full of eBay droids "determining your case merit", so its often fruitless.

Or just let it go. There are plenty of other deals out there, but each new item for consideration brings "a new set of questions and challenges" to resolve.

Good luck
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Masses of large eBay sellers have a list of countries they do NOT ship to. India is on most of those lists. So that might be the case here?

A newbie ebayer with feedback of 3 ordering a $US100+ item, seller might simply have decided it was not worth the risk.

Mandatory Registered shipping was probably $US15-$US20 or so, adding ~20% to cost of item, and with COVID delays of a month inward to India now, seller leaves themselves open for a good not received claim, and with the infamous India inward taxes to be added too, they often get involved in an hour of emails with buyers complaining about both.

I had a $50 order from an India ''buyer'' last month, that literally chewed up an HOUR of email time. And in the end they decided not to proceed. Life is too short at times. :roll:

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Not the case here despite a very long list of not posting to.

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Well looks like they are very risk averse in there! WHY do you imagine those 50 countries are listed as being banned by this huge seller????? More than 50 actually, as their first 2 exclusion - "Central America and Caribbean - Middle East'' are probably 50 different countries alone!

India mail is a BASKET CASE for last 6 months - here are the current AP guidelines - most mail is simply not accepted from here, and Registered Mail is "25+" Business days, or over a month.

eBay sellers will get a chargeback if nothing is received after a month. Would YOU mail at $A150 piece to India now? And maybe lose EVERY cent of that

All very well for collectors to be making these wise calls about dealer choices from their comfy armchairs, but they are not the ones who lose money when things do not arrive, or take months to arrive. :roll:



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ViccyVFU wrote:
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Just as eBay stresses to you that all bids are binding, they may need to investigate further why this dealer has ratted on the deal.

eBay's policy was changed a few months ago: the seller can now unlaterally cancel after four days (initially it was less as they miscomputed the timezones) and the bidder picks up an "unpaid strike".

I think they removed the option to leave feedback in such cases, too, because I tried to find that everywhere when I was hit by one of these before it was even announced in the UK (in less than four days, while still bidding on other items from the same US seller!), which has left me invisibly blocked by a large number of sellers for six months despite 100% feedback on purchases and sales, and eBay telling me they'd fixed the "glitch" four times. :twisted:

(Actually, just file the whole of eBay under "glitch"; their payments were up the spout again today several times... :lol:)

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eBay's policy was changed a few months ago: the seller can now unlaterally cancel after four days (initially it was less as they miscomputed the timezones) and the bidder picks up an "unpaid strike".

I think they removed the option to leave feedback in such cases.

That's only for NON PAYMENT, which is not the reason for cancellation stated here ("Something was wrong with the buyers shipping address").

Given its not "a non payment issue", you can leave feedback (if you wish).

The vagueness of their cancellation reason needs investigating further, because if they are abusing it, simply for administrative convenience, eBay can apply a whole raft of penalties to their listings, and reject all claims for fee credits.

Sheriff, I am aware of the various issues surrounding international trade, at present. (I'm a little disappointed you didn't think I'd check that India was a valid destination before writing my comments above, but I put that down to the long hours you are working :D ).

Incidentally, the re-list still includes India, so yet more timewasting is possible.

Shruthi will also have wasted a great deal of her time and effort on this aborted transaction, as will her husband,... and their time is valuable too.

Deal with India, or don't deal with India, but make it clear in the listing, (and not as some afterthought of "dis-inclination" / "too much effort").

The outcome of "how this buyer was treated" deserves some transactional feedback, for sure.
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Some of those who suggested that it was a poor deal and some of those who subsequently suggested spending time and effort complaining that the deal was pulled are the same people, it seems they could start a fight in an empty room!

My advice: simply walk away, look for another Penny Black and if you aren't sure, ask here before committing to buy. :idea:

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Some of those who suggested that it was a poor deal and some of those who subsequently suggested spending time and effort complaining that the deal was pulled are the same people, it seems they could start a fight in an empty room!

My advice: simply walk away, look for another Penny Black and if you aren't sure, ask here before committing to buy. :idea:

Hmm, the only person who said it was a bad deal was the man with the badge.

Why on earth would you let a bad vendor off?

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ViccyVFU wrote:
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Why on earth would you let a bad vendor off?

No, wrong again - if you care to check I suggested these buyers leave negative feedback, as they were sold a clearly 3 margin 1d Black, described as 4 margin.

It has just been relisted as a 4 margin. It is still 3 margin - that all except GB 789 (and the buyer!) could readily see.

Negative feedback is the surest way to sharpen their eyesight. :!:



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