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eBay seller canconvinyl, from Nepean Ontario, just outside of Ottawa, has been offering small lots of early Canadian stamps on eBay for a while now. The stamps are almost always described as F / VF or better, even on the 1st Cents and Large Queens stamps which are notorious for small faults, especially perf faults.

I contend that canconvinyl is reperfing and/or using a rebacking technique to rebuild perfs and hide tears. He is also faking cancels to hide evidence of tears.

Take a look at this current auction listing eBay seller canconvinyl has put up for a lot of 7 stamps, 6 of which are Cents Issue stamps + a 3d Beaver (Scott #4), eBay item #151156839172.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Canada-First-Cents-lot1-1852-64-3d-B ... 1156839172

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Seller describes condition as "Superb and clean selection of various values, papers and shades - light cancels - excellent selection!" and the appearance from his scans seems to confirm.

But the seller has also been a buyer on eBay.

On October 20 he bought this stamp from eg1947 for $24.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Canada-USED-Scott-18-z5-Value-120-00-/110932025851

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Looks like the #18 in the top row to me except the stamp has pulled perfs at the left and bottom plus a tear at the bottom.
Compare with the canconvinyl listing image on the right.
Amazing how perfs have grown in after he purchased the stamp and the tear at the bottom has been hidden with a new cancel???


On October 8 he purchased this stamp from profmarv-sales for $12
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=221227365656

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Looks like the #18 in the bottom row except the stamp he bought had blunted perfs at right and at the UL and LL corners.


On October 18 he bought this #19 from johnsphilatelics for $21.
The seller describes stamp as having a short perf at right, but there is also a tear at the LL corner.

https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=281172159953

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Again, the perf has grown in at right and the tear at the LL now hidden with a cancel??

Obviously this seller has a rebacking technique where he is adding paper to the stamps to rebuild perf faults and small tears. He is also faking cancels to hide evidence of the tears.

ebay seller canconvinyl should be avoided at all costs.

Also, if you agree with my contention please report this listing to eBay.
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In case there is any doubt as to the ethics of eBay seller canconvinyl take a look at this 2nd lot of Cents Issue stamps he put up for auction, very similar to the lot in my previous post. It looks like he copy and pasted the description.

eBay item #151156849227

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Canada-First-Cents-lot2-1852-64-3d-B ... 1156849227

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As in the previous post there are stamps that he bought on eBay that he is hoping to resell in this lot. Of course the stamps he bought had faults and shockingly are now fault free.
Stamps purchased are shown below with the canconvinyl listing image on the right for comparison.


On October 21 he bought this stamp from stamplion for $13.50 for $24.
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390598811837

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On October 3 he purchased this stamp from newsdisc for $4.50
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=131004440654

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On October 19 he bought this #19 from moton114 for $19.99.
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350898520742

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On October 16 he bought this #18 from hillstamps for $27.03
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=231071668780

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Avoid dealing with eBay seller canconvinyl at all costs. He is trying to deceive you.
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Nice bit of detective work. 8)

This is the sort of thing that was really annoying when eBay recently started hiding/disabling the links/details in feedback forum to "items as a buyer". With such info, these matches can be made.

There must be something really special in the air in that seller's home, that helps stamps grow new perfs. :lol:
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Well done on outing another fraudster!
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Agree that ebay stamp seller canconvinyl is a crook. GREAT detective work!

Ebay have revamped the rules re forged and faked and altered stamps.

Alterations (that includes forged perfins, overprints and cancels) and repairs and alterations MUST be noted now if known to seller

https://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/currstamps.html#replica_stamps

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Also on EVERY ebay lot there is a “Report Item” icon – whether the sale is ended or not.

Reporting that via the simple drop-down options as shown below is a 5 second operation -
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If ebay gets 5 or 10 reports on any given items they WILL generally take notice. They usually warn the user and remove the lot. Sellers getting several such removed lots are in trouble.

Let’s use ‘people power’ to stop this material getting offered.

Everyone “hoping” others act, will get nothing done - like most things in life! It takes teamwork and a Community Spirit, and the dodgy and misleading lots will be FAR less.

ebay now have set up a fast new portal JUST to report suspected sellers of forged stamps at - https://www.tinyurl.com/ebayfakes - also found at - https://www.ebay.com/scw - there is space for 10,000 characters in your reply, so all the relevant info can be added. Unlike most ebay complaint forms that allow just 100 characters etc.

Please take a moment to do BOTH ….. do the “Report Item” drop-down, and give a summary on the link above.

Most likely they will go to 2 different ebay staffers, and that is double trouble for the fakers.

Some staffers ignore such stuff, others are more pro-active – it is a lottery.

However several reports on any single item can be seen by all staffers looking at it, and that generally gets some action.

Even if 4 staffers have ignored it, the 5th staffer might see 5 reports and decide to act etc. :mrgreen:

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The rules are there, but largely ignored by eBay in my opinion. For example, look at this seller in Germany, maila12:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/maila12/m.html?_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1

All his items are unmarked forgeries/replicas.


...and this UK seller stampalbum2012:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/stampalbum2012/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
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...and whilst these are clearly being sold as replicas at low prices, it does not prevent the fraudsters buying them and selling on as the real thing.

Our friend Sunil Suri (msksur68 / creativityplus4) has bought repro Zeppelin covers from maila12 and sold them on as genuine.
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Looks to me like canconvinyl is also chemically cleaning his stamps??
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Brilliant checking traderpaul.

You have done everyone a great service.

I wonder if there is a clue to what is happening in the vinyl part of the traders name? I don't really want to know.

Nothing wrong with cleaning up an old stamp but this is crossing several lines that are wrong.
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I checked this evening and see that Lot #1, the listing dissected in my first post, has been removed by eBay.
Thank you to everyone who reported it.

This crook, eBay seller canconvinyl, put up a 3rd auction listing for a group of First Cents stamps, closing Nov 8.
Like the others he describes them as "Superb and clean selection of various values, papers and shades - light cancels - excellent selection!".
But, as is the norm with this shyster, there are numerous faults which he has hidden.

eBay item #151156980574

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Canada-First-Cents-lot3-1852-64-3d-B ... 1156980574

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As with my other posts I will show the image of the original stamp he purchased with the stamp in his auction listing on the right so you can easily compare.


On October 10 he won this stamp via auction from newsdisc for $12.16
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300981775697

The stamp he purchased had a bad perf at the top and rounded corner at UL and has doctored them up.

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On October 18 he bought this #19 from aggv for $65. Actually a decent stamp but has a couple of short perfs at upper left side. Of course he can't resist lengthening them.
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310179390471

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On October 23 he won this stamp via auction from nosaj0009 for $18.26. The blunted perfs at the top and left are now gone in his own listing.
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360766812651

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On Oct 26 this nice 4 margin copy of #17 was purchased by canconvinyl for $79.35. A few of the perfs are a bit blunted but this is quite normal for the issue. But this idiot can't leave it alone and extends all of the shorter perfs.
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=121113580168

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On October 23 he bought this stamp from dad_chubes for $39.99. While I don't see clear evidence of perf alteration the stamp he purchased clearly shows creases on the back.
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350882113890

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Overall the alterations are more sutle in this listing but clearly this crook, eBay seller canconvinyl, has failed to disclose the faults and actually use the term "Superb" to describe them. Also, he alters two stamps #17 and #19 which really shouldn't have been tinkered with at all.

Another listing that eBay will cheerfully take down if enough reports go in!
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organicm wrote:I wonder if there is a clue to what is happening in the vinyl part of the traders name? I don't really want to know.
To hazard a guess dissecting his eBay handle, canconvinyl

"CanCon" is a term used all the time in Canada, short for "Canadian Content", referring to locally-produced programming on TV and radio (as opposed to all the stuff picked up from US TV networks).

Vinyl I assume would be LPs

So someone who had been dealing in records of Canadian musicians switches to stamps?
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You guys are good, I wouldn't have picked up on this even if the stamp was as large as the Burj Khalifa in Dubai :shock:
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WOW!

Been buying stamps now, seriously about 5-6 years and had no idea perforations could be 'grown'. How on earth does anyone do that? I am dumb enough to buy those. Man, I need to be careful.

Traderpaul - I have to salute you. When you think about it, this scumbag is actually pretty pathetic. He's taking tens of dollar stamps and turning them into hundreds of dollars stamps. Don't know what his costs are in time and effort, but if he's figured out a way to create that, why not go big on some tens of thousands of dollar stamps?

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ADHD/OCD

Can't stand not to have full margin stamps exist. He's obsessed.

The guy is selling 'repaired' stamps and 'perfect' motherboards for computers.

I really hope he is not obsessed with killing people, because this is serial killer type stuff. Look through his offerings and every single stamp has perfect, beautiful margins. It's creepy.

Makes me want to by some compromised perforations just to re assure myself....
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I'm starting to think this guy, eBay seller canconvinyl, is a bit unhinged.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canada-First-Cents-lot3-1852-64-3d-B ... 1156980574

Adding up his eBay purchases for those 5 stamps I identified in his First Cents Lot 3 totals $215.
The #4 and #14 must be worth something even if they are faulty. His buy it now price is $279.00 ????

After eBay and Paypal fees I can't see that he would be making any money. Very odd.

Why would someone buy these stamps, go to the trouble of doctoring them, and then sell them for zero return??
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traderpaul wrote:Why would someone buy these stamps, go to the trouble of doctoring them, and then sell them for zero return??
Pleasure, maybe?

I don't know how one goes about making the modifications to the stamps this guy is, but I expect it takes skill and artistry. Maybe he enjoys making stamps 'better' and reasons that if he's not in it for profit, no harm is done.

Buyer gets stamps with full perfs, etc, seller gets to enjoy skillfully enhancing the stamps, nobody is ripped off, everyone is happy!

Not saying I agree with any of those thoughts. But it might explain the pricing structure.

Personally, I think this is vandalism and would not knowingly add a stamp that had been improved in this way into my collection.

Quick question: What happens if the buyer puts each stamp he buys through a wash and dry cycle before they go in the album, for example to avoid the dreaded 'spores of foxing', degrubbyify the stamps, etc? What comeback would he have when a few perfs float off in the bowl?

Would that situation change any if the stamps had gone, in good faith, through the hands of a dealer after the modifications had been applied?
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I too wonder to what would happen if the stamps were given a bath by a new owner.
Also, I wonder how the stamps appear in hand with a 10x glass?
I have noticed that his scans seem to mute the appearance of details vs. scans of the stamps by the previous sellers so I'm guessing that the alterations would be easy to see in hand.
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They have done some fake cancelling to disguise some of the repairs, so I think you will be able to notice repairs under magnification.

Have any stampboarders actually bought any stamps from this trader? It would be good to have a close up and some analysis of a repaired stamp.
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organicm wrote:Have any stampboarders actually bought any stamps from this trader? It would be good to have a close up and some analysis of a repaired stamp.
Has anyone contacted the chap in question to alert him to this thread and give him the right to reply?

Perhaps he would be willing to provide close-up scans, etc. if asked?
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Norbert Jenkins wrote:
traderpaul wrote:Why would someone buy these stamps, go to the trouble of doctoring them, and then sell them for zero return??
Pleasure, maybe?

I don't know how one goes about making the modifications to the stamps this guy is, but I expect it takes skill and artistry. Maybe he enjoys making stamps 'better' and reasons that if he's not in it for profit, no harm is done.
There is still harm done, because it puts these doctored items 'out there' in the collecting world...sure the faker apparently doesn't profit from his handiwork, but what about years in the future when the buyers decide to sell...they could pass the stamps on to other unsuspecting collectors. Someone will get their fingers burned eventually when a dealer/auctioneer/collector takes a closer look at the stamps and spots the alterations.

Its a rare thing for a forger to produce faked/altered items 'for the fun of it', 95% of the time they're in it to earn money. When do you hear of someone deciding collecting is not enough of a hobby, and shifts to deceitful habits?
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If any prospective buyer googles simply "canconvinyl" this thread is 3 of the first 5 matches.

Yes, has anyone emailed him this thread link?

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=canconvinyl&ie=utf-8&oe=u ... &gws_rd=cr
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Hello

I hope this message reaches the right person to make things right.

Okay lively people - namely Trader Paul and/or DJM - thank you for removing my reply and locking this topic on this site and many thanks for also removing my option of further replies on this subject matter concerning misrepresented claims of doctoring stamps at canconvinyl through E-Bay channels.

View the onsite STAMPBOARDS.COM "Powerful Google custom search engine for just this site" down below and key in the words "reply canconvinyl"

A menu with 3 board messages will come up in partial view. Read the third board message - all the fine print...

Does this look suspicious to anyone with experience on this site. It's a nice feeling isn't it to wipe people of the map of truth...

And the volatile reckless behavior of speech directed at people concerning this matter is destructive - not productive.

So, If I may ask, very politely, who is running the name calling freak show here on this site?. And who is actually in control of this professional site? I wonder...

Must be my vivid imagination - I must be seeing things that are just not there...

Check it out - a very sad day indeed for stamp collecting fun to be shunned out. How embarrassing to view such cocktail devices.

Shame on those who scourge with such conviction.

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Dear Larry,

Welcome to Stampboards. I assume from your message that you are the eBay seller canconvinyl, who is mentioned, along with his stamps, in this thread?

For what it’s worth, I don’t notice anything in the search that you described that looks unusual to me. It appears that this post you make is the first one on the board. Please make sure to go and post on the introduction thread, here, as otherwise it will make the board moderators unhappy: http://stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=10277

Once you have done so, please can you comment on the specific allegations about your eBay items, which are mentioned at the top of this thread? Specifically, do you take stamps, modify them (for example, adding/lengthening perforations) and then resell the modified stamps on eBay without mention of the changes you have made to them?

I think that if you keep your replies related to these allegations (or presumably, your refutation of them), that everything will run smoothly and you will be given a fair chance to speak. From past experience, if you instead decide to try and have a metadiscussion about the board, censorship, manners, hurt feelings, etc, you will at best be shouted down as a troll and at worst be cut off and not able to respond with your side.

Assuming you want to put your side out there, please focus on the facts of the stamps in question and the apparent changes that they have undergone from when you purchased them to when you subsequently came to sell them.

Please note that above, in my earlier posts, I have given you the benefit of the doubt on this matter, so please take this as friendly advice. I’d like to know the truth behind this story and this is your chance to tell it.
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spy wrote:.

Okay lively people - namely Trader Paul and/or DJM - thank you for removing my reply and locking this topic on this site and many thanks for also removing my option of further replies on this subject matter concerning misrepresented claims of doctoring stamps at canconvinyl through E-Bay channels.
This new member "spy" (Hmmmmm) does IP resolve to Canada, that much I can advise others.

It may be the ebay stamp conman canconvinyl or someone else purpoting to be him - he does not say.

This member has ignored all the instructions that new members are asked to comply with, so might just be a troll .. who knows?

Trader Paul and DJM are not moderators, and cannpt move or delete anything posted by others.

Admin and Mods have not moved or deleted or locked anything by anyone, at any time on this matter.

All the faked and repaired stamps posted above, and offered by ebay stamp conman canconvinyl are entirely down to him, and not our members!

Keep the reports going in to ebay and he might vanish off the faking landscape. :idea:

The more members who report these fakes that breach ebay rules the faster he will be gone. 8)
Global Administrator wrote:Agree that ebay stamp seller canconvinyl is a crook. GREAT detective work!

Ebay have revamped the rules re forged and faked and altered stamps.

Alterations (that includes forged perfins, overprints and cancels) and repairs and alterations MUST be noted now if known to seller

https://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/currstamps.html#replica_stamps

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Also on EVERY ebay lot there is a “Report Item” icon – whether the sale is ended or not.

Reporting that via the simple drop-down options as shown below is a 5 second operation -
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If ebay gets 5 or 10 reports on any given items they WILL generally take notice. They usually warn the user and remove the lot. Sellers getting several such removed lots are in trouble.

Let’s use ‘people power’ to stop this material getting offered.

Everyone “hoping” others act, will get nothing done - like most things in life! It takes teamwork and a Community Spirit, and the dodgy and misleading lots will be FAR less.

ebay now have set up a fast new portal JUST to report suspected sellers of forged stamps at - https://www.tinyurl.com/ebayfakes - also found at - https://www.ebay.com/scw - there is space for 10,000 characters in your reply, so all the relevant info can be added. Unlike most ebay complaint forms that allow just 100 characters etc.

Please take a moment to do BOTH ….. do the “Report Item” drop-down, and give a summary on the link above.

Most likely they will go to 2 different ebay staffers, and that is double trouble for the fakers.

Some staffers ignore such stuff, others are more pro-active – it is a lottery.

However several reports on any single item can be seen by all staffers looking at it, and that generally gets some action.

Even if 4 staffers have ignored it, the 5th staffer might see 5 reports and decide to act etc. :mrgreen:

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Global Administrator wrote:This new member "spy" (Hmmmmm) does IP resolve to Canada, that much I can advise others.

It may be the ebay stamp conman canconvinyl or someone else purpoting to be him - he does not say.
I note that the new member "spy" has put his location down as 'Nepean', which matches his eBay account. If it is a troll, it's one that paid attention to that detail.

Per Wikipedia, the town of Nepean has around 180,000 population. Does your IP address resolver / geolocator work sharply enough to confirm that he is one of them?

Loking at the 'sold' items for this seller on eBay, I find it strange that (for the duration eBay's records currently cover) he has completed successfully (i.e. with a sale) around 8 lots, but has had feedback as a seller on only 2 of them. I don't think it's a date/timing thing - his sales were in August/Sept and the feedback he got for those is appropriately timed.

I would expect feedback on $100+ items more often than 25% of the time. Does this strike anyone else as strange? He also did not leave any of his buyers feedback, regardless of if they left some for him or not...
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Does your IP address resolver / geolocator work sharply enough to confirm that he is one of them?
Yes post was made from that area.

Looking at feedback, the account canconvinyl has been pretty dormant for years, and near only bought and sold vinyl records.

Might be an account an ebay stamps scammer bought from a kid for $100 etc as they seldom used it now, as it then comes with ready made good feedback, and ebay longevity.

No vinyl record activity in recent times so it points to that.
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Hello

My first attempt to write a response was deleted by members of this forum - namely Traderpaul/DJM. It was clearly sent and marked on this forum as "message delivered".

I was subsequently e-mailed to be informed that the original above posted text went to the wrong message board AFTER I wrote a second message of complaint and plea for assistance in regards to volatile behaviors - namely in regards to inappropriate and divisive name calling. I also questioned the authority of this site - seeking out the people in charge

This follow up message post by myself clearly indicated exactly how this topic was closed and how further inquiries were blocked if you care to read my blog very carefully.

This is my second attempt to write a response to the misleading and misrepresented claims of doctoring.

I wish indeed I was a Doctor - fully capable of curing the things that are wrong with me - especially my daughter Leah who is Autistic.

The small funds of profit I generate from these sales helps me assist my daughter with special needs.

And I am not capable of manifesting these claimed deeds of Philatelic endeavors that are scoped far beyond my expertise.

If anything, I am lost and completely devoid of knowledge to such mentioned skills - reading Philatelic terms of alterations that I simply do not understand...

And furthermore I have degenerative bone disease - spinal stenosis more specifically that causes paralysis throughout my body.

And secondly, I have very poor eye vision that requires aided vision prescription glasses rated at 275/350.

To my defense, yes, I do purchase stamps that are inferior in grade and color - never perfect - this is my affordability.

Many stamps that I purchase are heavily soiled at times and many of them even have bent, curled, blunted, crimped, twisted frayed and nibbed perforations.

Rightfully, with complete respect and admiration to the reputable dealers involved, these stamps I originally purchased have great solid qualities about them - sound stamps overall.

These honest dealers are certainly not being deceitful nor am I in the buying and the reselling market trade of these stamps.

To my defense again, I do immerse some heavily soiled stamps in spring water for a few days - sometimes even up to 14 days for natural cleansing purposes. The chemical cleaning claim is totally outrageous. If you look at my E-Bay scans, these stamps are far from perfect and some of the soiling stains or original aging is still present.

And to my defense again, I do reposition stamp perforations to their original position. In order to accomplish this difficult task with my poor eye vision, I use 3 times 40X magnification lenses overlapped from each other at calculated distances - similar to modern telescopic technology.

If I could actually grow perforations - no more funds would be labored for Leah.

The Cartier stamp in question in this forum reveals a misrepresented opinion of a "possible tear". If you look at the original E-Bay dealer scan, this stamp reveals a foreign substance on this section which turned out to be a paper like adhesion on this stamp hiding the partial postal mark.

If you look at my E-Bay selling scan, this paper adhesion was carefully removed by gently soaking this stamp in spring water. And if you wish to be a real detective, a partial portion of this foreign paper substance is still visible above the "E" at "Seventeen. Missed it!. And the right side perforation that magically grew was always there - just yellowed slightly and overlapping ONTO the stamp margin - very difficult to see with such a bright scan from the original dealer. And if you really wish to be a hero - simply look again - more closely on my scan. This stamp still has the same original left crooked corner margin.

And the 12 1/2 Cents Queen Victoria stamp in question is no different. The stamp was heavily soiled at the top and the bottom margin portions. The postal marks are definitely there if look at the original dark scan of this stamp very carefully. The rear side of this scan identifies these postal marks clearly without any doubt. The bottom middle perforation that was overlapped and slightly twisted also obscured the bottom postal mark. This middle perforation was extremely difficult to reposition.

And to my final defense, my rear scans of these stamps are not enhanced by my scuzzy 600 DPI Microtek Scanner. The color balance scale is always set at "zero" for brightness and contrast. The only exception at times is the front side of these stamps that occasionally reveal signs of reflections or glared images. In these rarer cases, the adjustment has to be set to -10% increments.

And one more note of defense. Prior to posting any stamps on E-Bay, I then make a point to magnify each scan to 200% prior to uploading them on E-Bay. Depending on the computer hardware/software you are using - my scan may not appear like your own personal stamp scans or even your friends personal stamp scans. For certain however, they are very genuine, extremely precise in detail and crystal clear in regards to color color shading.

No stamp is doctored or altered on my E-Bay site. It's just myself and my lovely daughter that need a doctor. My past sales speak volumes about my commitment to integrity.

And how do I possibly compensate my daughter Leah for your actions against me. I can't. You rule me to overrule me.

It's a draw. You win and we lose.

My dedication to my daughter and my E-Bay site will never waiver however. I will start over and try again.

Keep pulling the cord of discontent within your circle of "clicks" if you wish. Forcibly and recklessly - withdraw all my postings.

Eat our shorts and pants.

Sincerely, Larry & Leah
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Re: eBay Seller canconvinyl Offering Doctored Canadian Stamp

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spy wrote:Hello

My first attempt to write a response was deleted by members of this forum - namely Traderpaul/DJM. It was clearly sent and marked on this forum as "message delivered".

I was subsequently e-mailed to be informed that the original above posted text went to the wrong message board AFTER I wrote a second message of complaint and plea for assistance in regards to volatile behaviors - namely in regards to inappropriate and divisive name calling. I also questioned the authority of this site - seeking out the people in charge

This follow up message post by myself clearly indicated exactly how this topic was closed and how further inquiries were blocked if you care to read my blog very carefully.
When your ebay account canconvinyl gets cancelled, that I suspect will be soon if you lie to them as badly as you lie to us, you can always take up writing pulp fiction. :lol:

The above all qualifies 105% as rolled gold fiction .. read the post above - NOTHING has been edited from you or about you, by anyone, at anytime ... and indeed the rest of your post is also so fictional, you'd make a fortune.

Look forward to hearing of your new career.

In the meantime, canconvinyl keep doctoring stamps and adding perfs, and selling them as superb, and those members here will keep reporting you to ebay for breaching their clear rules.

The choice is yours. :idea:
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spy wrote:Hello

My first attempt to write a response was deleted by members of this forum - namely Traderpaul/DJM. It was clearly sent and marked on this forum as "message delivered".
No, this is a flat out lie. As a Mod. and Admin here I can assure you that neither Traderpaul or DJM can delete posts any more than you can. Nor do you get a "message delivered" response, so you are simply making this up.

If a Mod. moves a post, we move it to a "hidden" forum so that it can be dicussed by the Moderator team. We delete nothing except pure spam. The "hidden" board has no such post from you, and even if it did, it would stay on your post count (even though you can no longer see the post), which clearly indicates that you have made 2 posts, both on this thread.

I can check the Admin Log, if you wish, which shows any and all alterations to member posts on this Board if you want me to spend some time investigating your claim (I am an Admin), but if it shows that nothing that you have posted here has been changed (or shows no deleted posts) then I will publicly say that you have lied on this thread. For whatever reasons I cannot tell.

So would you like me to check? I have no bone in this particular bowl, and don't care either way.

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spy wrote:
The Cartier stamp in question in this forum reveals a misrepresented opinion of a "possible tear". If you look at the original E-Bay dealer scan, this stamp reveals a foreign substance on this section which turned out to be a paper like adhesion on this stamp hiding the partial postal mark.

If you look at my E-Bay selling scan, this paper adhesion was carefully removed by gently soaking this stamp in spring water. And if you wish to be a real detective, a partial portion of this foreign paper substance is still visible above the "E" at "Seventeen. Missed it!. And the right side perforation that magically grew was always there - just yellowed slightly and overlapping ONTO the stamp margin - very difficult to see with such a bright scan from the original dealer. And if you really wish to be a hero - simply look again - more closely on my scan. This stamp still has the same original left crooked corner margin.
As with many con men thay always have a sob story to pull at the heart strings of those who they attempt to deceive. If you story of woe is true you have my sympathy, but I feel it is pure fiction as is the rest of the reply.

I will let the images speak for themselves. The original honest vendor had really righ res images.

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Note the "adhession" has broken and moved the bottom frame line. :lol:

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Your stamp. Where did that cancel over the tear lower left, and added perf lower right come from? After all it was soaked in spring water.

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spy wrote:Hello

No stamp is doctored or altered on my E-Bay site. It's just myself and my lovely daughter that need a doctor.
In your deluded mind, I know what type of doctor YOU need.
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Besides the problems with the perforations, you're killing these stamps with your zealous overcleaning canconvinyl.

150 year old postally used stamps should not look all white and bright like they just came out of the wash.

Even without repairs, I wouldn't go near these stamps because they will stand out like a sore thumb next to other used stamps in my collection which honestly reflect their age.
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Dear Larry / canconvinyl,

Thank you for your long and detailed reply. I am sorry to hear of the illness that you and your family have to deal with.

There appear to be two aspects to your concerns. The first relates to this board and to how your posts are handled, the second relates to your stamps and the accusations that they have been ‘doctored’/’repaired’.

The first area, that you have had posts deleted, etc, I cannot fully comment on, as I am not an administrator here. However, I can tell you what I have observed, having used and read this board over several years.

I have seen cases where people have posted messages which are abusive, rude, etc and directly offensive to certain members, including the owner. Sometimes the posts are moved to an out-of-site area (which then results in the ‘you are not authorised…’ type message, should you try to re-view the message). Other times, the message is left to stand and a brusk reply given in-situ.

In these cases, the user account is often suspended, but the message is not ‘destroyed’. The message always is included in the user post count, even if it’s been moved to the ‘hidden’ area. This, I believe, is the underlying functionality of the phpBB software that the board uses.

Given that your posting count currently shows ‘2’ as at the time of writing, and those two messages are both included in this thread, I can’t see any evidence that you have written other messages that were subsequently erased. I’m not saying its impossible (cf the spam deletion methodology mentioned by one of the admins, above). However, what would the motivation be to do as you say?

As you can see, your views remain in this thread un-edited and people are happy to let you have your say.

Additionally, the two users you accuse of having tampered with your messages simply do not have the technical authority to do as you claim. They have the same authority as you or I do here, which is that we can read and reply to messages, start threads and polls in certain areas, etc. They do not have administrator rights, which would be required to do as you claim.

Hopefully this next does not sound too patronising; it is my best attempt to explain what you clearly believe happened, when taken along with the reality of how the board software works. Is it possible that you were contacting the board members directly, i.e. via board messaging / email, rather than posting a comment into the thread? This could perhaps explain the back-and-forth you appear to have had with some users, whilst also explaining why there is no trail of it on the board. Just a thought…

In conclusion, I think that nothing nefarious is going on in regard to your alleged ‘missing posts’, so maybe better to let that be water under the bridge and instead focus on the allegations related to your stamps.

Speaking of which, there are a few questions I have regarding your reply to the claim that you have been adding perforations to the stamps, cleaning them chemically, etc:

Firstly, I have never heard of a technique to either clean a stamp, or to unroll curled-up perforations, which requires the stamp to be submersed in spring water (or indeed any water) for a long (days+) period of time. Please can you give me some more background on that technique: Where it came from/who suggested it, how and when it is used, etc.

I see that you say that you have not been adding perforations onto the stamp by means of adding additional paper to the stamp / rebacking, etc. You seem to be saying that when the ‘before’ picture shows a small perforation and the ‘after’ shows a larger one, that this is because the original perforation was folded over, curled up, etc and you have simply fixed it by moving the existing paper to a better position. Am I stating your position accurately?

If I have a stamp with a missing / poor perf, it is very rare that it is simply a folded-over or scrunched-up perf that could have such a technique applied to it. Please can you explain why every stamp that has been allegedly had perforations repaired happens to have been in this category?

I also note that some of the perforations that you claim have simply been spread back out appear to have been torn short, rather than simply folded over. For example, some show signs of paper fibres, as you would see at the end of a normal perforation tip when a stamp is torn from its neighbour. Can you please clarify how these sorts of perforations still fall into the ‘scrunched up or folded’ category as well and so can be subjected to the ‘tease out what’s already there after a soak’ technique?

Can you see why people are sceptical about your claims that nothing untoward is being done? I don’t know how many thousands of years of collecting we have between us on this board, but it should say a lot that nobody has heard of leaving a stamp for weeks in water to revitalise it being a technique that we’ve never heard of and don’t use. Ditto the idea that almost every short perforation is the result of the paper being a little wadded-up or folded over, easily rectified with a bit of ‘repositioning of the perforation’ once the stamp has had its soak.

If you could address these points, it may go some way to giving you a little more credibility. If your case is genuine and what you say is true, I would advise you make the effort to demonstrate that here to the satisfaction of those reading. My concern would be that if you don’t do so, people will not believe you and your listings will continue to be reported as ‘bad’, resulting in the closing of both the listings and perhaps eventually, your eBay account. I would hate to see that happen to someone who is innocent of the philatelic jiggery-pokery you are accused of.

If on the other hand, you are indeed deliberately enhancing damaged stamps, using techniques such as rebacking, adding of paper, etc., I suggest at a minimum that you stop (and ideally apologise). Once stampboards members get their teeth into someone who is up to no good, they are a determined bunch and will keep on battling until the party damaging their beloved hobby is no longer at it.

Have a read around the board, you will see many many cases where crooks, big and small, have been put out of business by the keen-eyed, determined collectors here. Think of it a bit like the terminator: “Stampboards is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you stop selling your fiddled-with stamps”. Like the terminator, I’d not want stampboards after me if I was up to no good!

I hope that the above information gives you a clearer idea of where things stand and why people care so much. I look forward to your response and hope that it addresses the specific points raised.

Thanks,

Norbert

PS Can someone with a space-filler example of one of the issues in question please stick it in a bowl of spring water for 2 weeks and see what happens? I can’t imagine that the stamp would survive well after such treatment, but it would be an interesting test. Please take before and after images, just in case we do get any miraculous regrowing of parts of the stamp…
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Norbert Jenkins wrote:Dear Larry / canconvinyl,

Thank you for your long and detailed reply. I am sorry to hear of the illness that you and your family have to deal with.

<SNIP>

PS Can someone with a space-filler example of one of the issues in question please stick it in a bowl of spring water for 2 weeks and see what happens? I can’t imagine that the stamp would survive well after such treatment, but it would be an interesting test. Please take before and after images, just in case we do get any miraculous regrowing of parts of the stamp…
Funny how all the scammers are sick/have a sick child isn't it?

As for sticking stamps in water for a fortnight, I suspect that the only thing that would grow would be microbes, not perfs.....
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Larry/ canconvinyl

Some of the sellers you bought stamps from showed images of the back as well as the front. So lets see if the corners and perfs were just "curled".

You bought this #19 from eBay seller beatonmar on October 13, item #121189849958

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Canada-1859-17c-Jacques-Cartier-Scot ... 1189849958

This stamp was in your 'Lot 4' listing, eBay item #151159738455, which was delisted yesterday and has been taken off the eBay site. I have been given your images from that listing so lets compare.

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The beatonmar images show a blunted upper right corner, a blunt perf at top right side and a nibbed perf at the bottom. beatonmar's images don't show any "curled" perfs.
Each one of those problems has been filled in on your images. I can see a discolouration at each of those spots on your image of the back.
Is there any plausible answer for this one?
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I've found the answer:

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no other explanation :lol:

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traderpaul wrote:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Canada-1859-17c-Jacques-Cartier-Scot ... 1189849958

This stamp was in your 'Lot 4' listing, eBay item #151159738455, which was delisted yesterday and has been taken off the eBay site. I have been given your images from that listing so lets compare.

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This is the back of the alleged doctored version, as run through Retroreveal. Ignore the 'blue' reference in the text box. The arrowed sections speak for themselves.

The two sections highlighted by ovals still show traces of the original pencil marks. Note the '5' in the upper oval, with part of the pencilled circle from 6 0'clock to 9 o'clock.

The outline of '12 x 11' can still be seen in the second oval.

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HayeSmyth wrote:Image
Playing slightly the devils advocate here :twisted: , there are some other perforations (for example, bottom middle area) that also show this darkness that you say indicates thinner paper (and therefore ‘grafting’), however, these perforations are present on the ‘before’ and ‘after’ photos.

Therefore, it is safe to say that in not all cases does this colour/shade indicate that grafting has occurred. Therefore, we are back to the original situation of having ‘before’ and ‘after’ pictures and being able only to say that there were apparently no/short perforations initially and after the stamps came to be owned by canconvinyl, that they became longer perforations.

Retroreveal can be a very useful tool at times and thanks Clive for having taken the time to apply it to this case. However, I’m not personally convinced that it boosts up our current evidence of malfeasance any.

I am not sure if we will hear back from Larry (who may or may not be canconvinyl, not sure that has been established 100% yet), but it would be nice to hear an explanation on some of the points raised, both by myself and others, above.

I’m really in two minds about this whole allegation/thread. On one hand, I know that perforations don’t magically regrow after a soak in water.

However, in any fraud/scam, etc, surely the underlying motivation is profit? And what has been mentioned by traderpaul, above, is that if the prices of the stamps purchased prior to resale are totalled, there is little to no room for profit (and with eBay and PayPal fees, even less so). Why would the alleged stamp fiddler go to any/all this effort if no money is to be had from doing so?

I know earlier that I had suggested the outside chance that someone may do this for the artistry and technical challenge only, but when Larry came and said his piece, he didn’t say anything of the sort. To the best of my comprehension, I don’t think he actually explained how the regrowth occurred, or even acknowledge the full extent of the changes over time that has been claimed happened to his stamps after her purchased them.

So what does that leave us with? Well, either someone is buying stamps, tampering with them in various ways to hide or correct certain faults and then reselling the resulting items for almost no profit, or we have someone buying stamps, soaking them in such a way that smushed-up perforations have time to unsmush themselves back to their former glory and then reselling the resulting items for almost no profit. Does either one make sense? Not to me :lol: ! What am I missing? :oops:

Add to this the above posts from Larry, which don’t come across to me in the sort of tone you’d expect from a scammer and what do you have? One rather confused Norbert, that’s what!

I admit (as 2ndGlenn rather kindly pointed out in another thread) that I’m not mentally well equipped to understand the motivations of other people, or pick up on the subtleties of what they say/write (i.e. I can’t read between the lines too well). Can anyone help me out here, I just don’t get it. Regardless of if stamps are being fiddled with, what is canconvinyl up to and why?

The tone of some of the messages that were written here by our alleged perpetrator strike me as somewhat heterodoxical, but maybe that’s just me. Can someone with better emotional intelligence please give me a clue? Or is this the typical way of the Canadians? :?

Perhaps we can get a clearer picture of what’s going on if we really can ‘follow the money’. Does anyone possess sufficient eBay skills to be able to root out the purchase prices for the stamps that went together to make one or more of canconvinyl’s offerings? If we had that, we could do the appropriate calculations of the eBay listing and final value fees, the PayPal vig, etc and see if canconvinyl is actually making money with his eBay shop.

I really hope that we can get to the bottom of this. Maybe I’m a soft touch, but part of me thinks (or at least worries) that we are hounding a sick man with a sick daughter out of his livelihood, when all he is doing is washing and desert-magic’ing some crumpled and grubby old stamps, thereby making a few quid, enough to put the next meal in front of them. Sure, the chances of this being the case must be quite slim, but what if this guy is the 1-in-1,000 who is genuinely not a scammer? Not sure I’d sleep too great if his eBay account gets closed down and he’s not actually up to no good.

What is the best, strongest evidence we have in this case that something was done to ‘doctor’ a stamp? A clear image of a perforation being missing and indisputably not crumpled/folded behind, etc and then that perforation suddenly existing prior to sale would do it.

While the images that started this whole thread off get us fairly closes, I don’t think we have conclusively gotten there yet. Each ‘regrown’ perf in the pictures at the top could be crumpled/folded, etc in the ‘before’ images, with things like darkness of image, contrast, etc not making it obvious that this is the case.

Before we sink this guy, I’d like to be 100% sure of our facts. Currently, I’d maybe bet £100 that he’s doctoring these stamps in some way. Would I bet a limb? Perhaps, but not if it was mine :-). Would I bet my house, or my life? Nope, I’m just not that sure yet. :?:

If you really, really are that sure (not just gut feel, or a ‘nose’ feel, but sure based on clear evidence), please can you show me how you reach that conclusion, so that I can sleep better once I do my part and contact eBay?

I don't know why this thread has sucked me in as far as it has, or why I care so much. Something just doesn’t feel 100% with this, but I can’t put my finger on it…

Thanks,
Norbert

Hmm – just re-reading my post in preview mode before I submit it (previewing being considered good practice and all!). On re-reading, I think perhaps I come across as some sort of hemp-shirt wearing hippy left-winger! :shock: :lol:

Maybe I’m just a sucker for a sob story and in this case, it’s wanged my objectiveness out of kilter? Ask yourself this though – if this was in a court of law and the sentence for a crime like the one being alleged was death, would you be happy to convict based on the evidence shown? I’d personally want better evidence before I send someone to the gallows (even if it is just the eBay account gallows).

PS Please do post again Larry / canconvinyl - all this guessing is driving me nuts and I'd rather hear direct from the person with all the answers!
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Norbert Jenkins wrote:What is the best, strongest evidence we have in this case that something was done to ‘doctor’ a stamp? A clear image of a perforation being missing and indisputably not crumpled/folded behind, etc and then that perforation suddenly existing prior to sale would do it.
(From earlier in the thread) Are you seriously suggesting that there were three crumpled perfs on this? And that a couple of weeks in spring water will magically re-grow the perfs? I could almost live with the first NW perf being stuck down. but the corner and base one, no way.

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fromdownunder wrote:
Norbert Jenkins wrote:What is the best, strongest evidence we have in this case that something was done to ‘doctor’ a stamp? A clear image of a perforation being missing and indisputably not crumpled/folded behind, etc and then that perforation suddenly existing prior to sale would do it.
(From earlier in the thread) Are you seriously suggesting that there were three crumpled perfs on this? And that a couple of weeks in spring water will magically re-grow the perfs? I could almost live with the first NW perf being stuck down. but the corner and base one, no way.
The corner perforation (and the other nearby one) could certainly be crumpled/folded over perforations, based on what I can see in the low resolution images that we have been working off. I am not saying they _are_ crumpled/folded over (they are more likely missing of course); I'm saying its possible that they are crumpled/stuck down/folded/etc and given the resolution of the images, it's hard to be sure.

On this image, the bottom perforation is the one that looks by far the hardest to attribute to something innocuous. It certainly looks like a perforation that has been ripped out, leaving a v-shaped notch into the stamp. But the resolution is too poor to be _totally certain_ that this is what it is.

It is possible that it is a perforation that has been folded over (so that the hidden bit is on the face-side of the stamp, although the front-side image doesn't offer a lot of support for this possibility), and with a blob of black pencil dust, muck, ink, or similar on it, making it look like there is a bit of paper missing.

Please note I say 'possible', not 'probable' - it's probably a pref that has been ripped out and that then has been added back on the 2nd image, via some cunning 'stamp repairers' technique. But the image quality is not sufficient to say beyond reasonable doubt that this is what it is.

Can someone post up the link to the listing that this stamp was originally purchased off of? (Edit - just re-read above and found this has already been done: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canada-1859-17c-Jacques-Cartier-Scot ... 1189849958) Maybe we can dig around in wherever is hosting that image, to find a better resolution copy and turn the ‘probably missing perfs’ into ‘as certain as you reasonably can be missing perfs’. (Edit: No better image exists in the listing and it's eBay hosted, so no chance to find a better copy sitting alongside it, as we may have done if this was photobucket-hosted for example).

As to your second point, if we do determine (perhaps by finding that high-resolution copy of the 'before' image) that there really was a perforation missing (in the 'torn-off' sense, rather than the 'folded or crumpled' sense), then obviously it's not going to be magic water that made it re-appear. It would only do so by the overt act by someone adding additional paper to the stamp, in a knowing attempt to make it appear that the perforation was always there.

Hopefully my point is clear, that I think that it is likely that the perforations in question are missing and were later re-added to the stamp, but that the images are not sufficiently detailed enough to demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that this is the case. Balance of probabilities, yes, I'm convinced, but beyond a reasonable doubt, for me, it is not yet proven. I await better evidence (a better 'before' image on any of the stamps we are discussing)

As stated before, I just want one slam-dunk, high-res before image, showing beyond doubt that there is no perf, plus an 'after' image showing it has regrown. If Larry really is up to no good, I don't think this is too muck to ask before I join in and fire off my message(s) to eBay. You see the quality of scans we all put up on here ourselves, day in, day out? One like that would do fine.

Any thoughts on the motivation aspect that I mention above, if the sums don’t add up to make a profit?
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goof wrote:I've found the answer:

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no other explanation :lol:

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Made my Saturday. :mrgreen:

What a drop-kick he is, coming up with that nonsense to explain added perfs, fixed tears, bleached out foxing, and fake postmarks etc.

Report his auctions folks. :idea:
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Global Administrator wrote:What a drop-kick he is, coming up with that nonsense to explain added perfs, fixed tears, bleached out foxing, and fake postmarks etc.
I don't think he claimed he was adding perfs. Having just re-read his posts, as best I can tell, he admits to "reposition stamp perforations to their original position".

He accomplishes this not with magic water, paper and size, rebacking techniques, emery paper and fillers, etc, but with "3 times 40X magnification lenses overlapped from each other at calculated distances".

As he clearly states, "No stamp is doctored or altered on my E-Bay site."

:shock: :oops: :lol:

All jokes / tongue in cheek aside though Glen, you have no doubt dealt with thousands of dreamers, scammers and under-informed members of the public for years. To me, something doesn't feel like it adds up on this one: he's apparently making no profit, taken the time to post some rather long and oddly-oriented replies to us, alludes to seeing things going on behind the scenes with this site/thread, apparently posting in his real name (rather than screen name) and speaking of techniques that I've not bumped into in all my time collecting. Doesn't sound like your average eBay bunny-boiler, right?

Given your vastly greater experience, please can you share with us what your 'dealers nose' tell you about why he is doing what he's doing, what his game is, etc? I'd appreciate any perceptions you can give (beyond just saying 'he's a scammer' or 'he's not the full shilling'), as it would help me (and probably others) try to calibrate our sense of philatelic smell a little bit more accurately...

Finally, do you sell this magic spring water I've heard so much about recently? I have some imperf stamps that require to grow from 3 to 4 margins. Also, does it work faster with sparkling water (aka "Miracle Grow 2000 Turbo (tm)")? :D
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Adding perfs is a cinch -- make some paper mush/slurry and push it into where the missing perfs are.

When dry .. BINGO - full perf.

Of course the COLOUR is generally different - hence his fake cancels over it, to part disguise it.

A $10 hand held UV light will of course pick it up readily, as will a dip in fluid. So only the ebay Bunnies will likely get conned, as most have never heard of either. :twisted: :roll:

A dip it in 'Spring Water' (or ANY kind of water) and it all turns back to mush again. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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I haven't spent too much time on canconvinyl ( Can Con Vinyl) but 20 minutes of sleuthing turned up this.

johnsphilatelics recently sold this: 1868 LARGE QUEEN #29b 15c RED LILAC, VF, USED WITH 2-RING3 QUEBEC CANCEL on a best offer.

Item: 281162435318

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1868-LARGE-QUEEN-29b-15c-RED-LILAC-V ... 1162435318

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It turned up as part of a lot being offered by canconvinyl.

Item: 151126888528

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Canada-Large-Queen-Stamps-Scott-22-2 ... 1126888528

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It is clearly described thus.

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What is wrong here you may ask? Well it appears that the spring water has been at work again.

The original honest vendor clearly described the 15 cent stamp thus:

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Original image from johnshilatelics. You can see the tear in the right margin near the e of postage.

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Image from canconvynal listing.

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Well spotted Traralgon .. you should aim for a career in the Police Force. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Is it possible that the 'repairs' are being done to the images, rather than to the stamps? Faster and easier to do of course and fits with what canconvinyl said about no stamps being manipulated. As he gets almost no feedback, maybe his customers don't notice.

Can anyone do some goof bay magic and figure out what profit he makes?
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Norbert Jenkins wrote:Is it possible that the 'repairs' are being done to the images, rather than to the stamps? Faster and easier to do of course and fits with what canconvinyl said about no stamps being manipulated. As he gets almost no feedback, maybe his customers don't notice.

Err; No!!!


Can con vinyl currently has this lot listed.


Item: 51126806454 https://www.ebay.com/itm/Canada-Large-Queens-Fancy-Cancels-21 ... 1126806454

Canada Large Queens Fancy Cancels 21,21a,23a,24,24i,25,26,27,27a,28, - Very Fine

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You know where this is heading and the head (top) of the stamp is the problem.

Again sold by honest vendor johnsphilatelics on a Best Offer.

Item: 271256956872 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1868-LARGE-QUEEN-27a-6c-YELLOW-BROWN ... 1256956872

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Short perfs, not folded perfs.

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Norbert Jenkins wrote:Is it possible that the 'repairs' are being done to the images, rather than to the stamps?
I see nothing that suggests to me, image manipulation. This is a 500% resize (or 5 times magnification) of Traderpaul's already magnified image of the 'doctored' stamp.

The pixel formation looks very even. I doubt that re-alignment of the outer frame line (where the tear terminated) by photo software could be done like this. The same applies to the added perf on the other side.
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When can-con-man gets banned by ebay for selling faked stamps as he surely will, he can re-invert himself by selling MIRACLE SPRING WATER

Maybe if we rub it onto bald heads the HAIR will grow and sprout anew, the same as his stamp perforations do!

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Thanks Traralgon, Clive and Glen. I am sorry to say, that last example is the clincher for me. It's the example I was looking for. It clearly shows, 100%, beyond any and all doubt in my mind that there cannot be an innocent explanation to how the 'before' stamp became the 'after' stamp.

Canconvinyl, who may also be Larry, is, for reasons unknown to me, buying stamps from innocent sellers, messing around with the stamps to add perfs, close tears, etc an then selling on the stamps without mentioning what he has done to them. This is dishonest and damages our hobby.

As he is clearly, unarguably, guilty in this instance, he loses in my mind any assumption of 'innocent until proven guilty' in the other cases, where previously a wafer of uncertainty still existed before. Therefore, I accept that he is guilty of what he has been accused of in the other cases documented in this thread.

Thanks to all for finding sufficient evidence to turn this skeptic into a believer!

What's best for me to do now? Dobb him in for each item listed in this thread individually? Should I grass him up at the account level, rather than the item level? Never done this sort of thing on eBay before. Is the goal to remove his dodgy items, or to get his account deleted?

I hope for Larry's sake, his sob story was baloney. Poor, disabled or not, dishonesty isn't the answer.
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The Google verdict is in as well. Search canconvinyl and this is what you get,

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