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I have the right half of a sheet of 1942 2d Whare, but missing its bottom right corner [4].

I assume this to be, therefore, from plate 3, the plate block having been removed (not by me!).

All sheets from Plate 3 had the plate number at bottom right, rather than bottom left (as for all other plates). The half sheet in question, however, does not have the usual registration crosses in the centre of lower and upper selvedges, only in the right (and presumably left) selvdeges.

Are all sheets from Plate 3 like this (i.e. lacking crosses below and above column 12-13 stamps)? If so, why the difference between Plate 3 and others in this respect?

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Sorry I can't help,

But does your sheet have the following flaw or any other similar sky markings.

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A comet type mark in the cloud.

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No, can't find such a flaw anywhere on this half-sheet. Is it a guide to the plate number?
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Well, it's only taken me 9 months, but my album pages as re-written for Blenpex 2012 in Blenheim last October are now on my personal website:

http://www.stampsmw.top1.com.au .

I was very pleased to receive 83% Large Vermeil - it well justified all the work to compress it from 7 frames to 5 - a jump of 9%. I also made sure that the judges had plenty of advance information on the draft title page and synopsis sent in with the entry form.

Looking back 9 months I can already see some things I want to work on. I am not happy with the presentation of the Blitz issues but can't see how to improve them yet. Please direct any comments through the email link on my website.

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No prizes for picking a design similarity with this Swedish local.
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I believe still available…

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You can tell we love our 1935 pictorials here in New Zealand, when we paint our utility boxes with stamp designs !
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and the inspiration...
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That's definitely up-market grafiti.

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Nice image of the newly released New Zealand Matariki 80c value alongside the 1935 pictorial 9d. , some great designs are worth repeating !
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Hi All

With the two images below, can I please ask:

2d Whare - there is a red line from the cabbage tree on the right up through the tekoteko to the left edge. I can't find reference to this anywhere? Is it a Dr blade flaw?. Also,

1d Kiwi - a definite shade of brown. I have seen something similar on a FDC but otherwise nothing. Any ideas on why this could be?

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1d on right is a colour changeling, caused by sun fade. It is not rare.

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Mark wrote:
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Just found this newly issued Mini sheet online, trying to source some !, thought they might be fun on cover as a cinderella.
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It has been quite some time since anyone has posted on this thread and so I thought that I would see if there is still any interest. I have recently updated the description of 1935 Pictorials at my website: http://www.nzstamps.org.uk and it now contains more on plate blocks etc.

One unusual feature of the 1935 pictorials is the use of the 13-14x13½ or 14-13x13½ perforations for the 2½d, 5d, 2/- and 3/- stamps in which the top and bottom perforations on each stamp were perf 13 for half the length and perf 14 for the other half.

The original issue of the 2/- stamp on single watermarked paper was issued perf 13-14x13½. A very small number of sheets were fed through the perforation machine in the opposite direction and so are perforated 14-13x13½. According to the Campbell Paterson Catalogue only 12 mint copies and one mint plate block of 4 are known perforated 14-13x13½.

R Odenweller in an article titled 'A Rarity Made More Common' (published in The Kiwi, vol 64, p152-153, September 2015) described the use of the rare perforation on the Pan American covers with a black cachet that were sent on the first trans Pacific flight from New Zealand to the USA on 2 January 1938. Such a cover is the last cover shown on the webpage at:

http://www.nzstamps.org.uk/air/panam/index.html

The 2/- stamps are in the rare perforation: 14-13x13½.

Interested to hear if other members have copies of this rare perforation.
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Except for 1 PB image on Nov22 [page 1] all images converted to IMGUR.

Thread can be returned.

Fascinating information in this traditional philatelic thread.

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As I mentioned in an earlier post on this thread, these were published by a stamp dealer in Rotorua, Ms Lois Ion. She probably still has stocks. email her on lois.ion@xtra.co.nz or contact her at P.O. Box 342, Rotorua 3040, New Zealand.

According to her brochure promoting the minisheet:
Lois Ion, Stamp Dealer wrote:On Thursday 1 April 2010 at Wahiao Meeting House, Whakarewarewa - Rotorua, a special memorial service was held to acknowledge and celebrate the Maori Guides.

Two cinderella labels were produced to mark this event. The design has been inspired by the original 1935 Pictorial stamps, which included the Maori themes. The cinderellas and covers produced by stamp and coin dealer - Lois Ion. I am a descendant, through whangai from Guide Kate - Keita Rangitukia Middlemiss, who guided at the Pink and White Terraces - Te Wairoa, Tarawera & Whakarewarewa.

Inspiration for producing these cinderellas is dedicated to: Te Te Rangikaheke, Mita Taupopoki, and all the Maori Guides who for over a century, and many generations, have brought the Maori culture and history to the world. The Guides also represent one of the longest-running family businesses in Aotearoa.

1st April indicates the Introduction of the Government Guiding licences, which Manawhenua were very much against.

Cinderella is a term used by philatelists to indicate that the issue in question is not an official Government Postal issue. Cinderellas cannot be used as normal postage, but are highly colleactable and generally associated with a significant event. Cinderellas can be traced back to the NZ 1906 Christchurch Exhibition.
I gather from Lois that the question marks represent her doubt about the Guide licences, and whether in fact these licences have any validity, as compared to the authenticity conferred by the Tribe leadership.

Lois also arranged a canceller, and then had the covers postmarked at Rotorua, including one with an NZ bisect:

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A New Zealand stamp bisected on this Guiding cover!

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Another cover celebrates the centenary of the Guiding industry.

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Another cover: this time with the Australian bicentennial stamp, as a tip of the hat to our Australian friends!

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Looking through my collection, I have found this variant of the minisheet, with a different caption at the foot.

I seem to recall Lois mentioned that she changed the caption for some reason, perhaps to remove the ambiguity suggested by the question marks. I assume she still has stocks of these to sell.

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Whakarewarewa Guiding Centenary, minisheet with revised caption at foot "Dedicated to the Maori Guides", and now with no mention of the disliked licences.

I also have an "imperf-between" error for this sheet, where the perfing technician may have been distracted by thoughts of approaching dinnertime:

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Whakarewarewa Guiding Centenary, minisheet with revised caption at foot "Dedicated to the Maori Guides", and with imperf-between varieties.

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After looking at many old postcards I finally found this one that matches
the view in the three shilling pictorial, can anyone else find a similar view ?
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After looking at many old postcards I finally found this one that matches
the view in the three shilling pictorial, can anyone else find a similar view ?
Well it will be within 10 miles of where the original art was drawn I'd guess. :mrgreen:
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Quick question - is the following example - the stamp on the right - is that the flaw for the 2s Captain Cook and is there any value or is it fairly common
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Depends on the printing, but the cat. value ranges from NZ$50.00 to 200.00. they are very common as mint, collectors at the time of issue were keen to acquire copies, used copies seem rarer, but their prices do not reflect this.
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Hi all,
I'm currently writing up my New Zealand 1935 Pictorial collection and have noted that the designer of the 2/- Captain Cook is, in some literature, called I. H. Jenkin and in others T. H. Jenkin. (Also Jenkins, but I think R. J. G. Collins has put that to bed in his Plate 1 study booklet).


I'm leaning towards T. H. Jenkin as per Mr. Collins booklet. Mr. Collins being an expert and probably knew Mr. Jenkin.
SG has it as I. H. Jenkins (In my New Zealand catalogue, that is certainly not the latest edition).

CP has it as I. H. Jenkin. (Again not a recent edition).

Any help appreciated.

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The NZ post website identifies the designer as T H Jenkins of Invercargill.


Having said that there is a Thomas Hugh Jenkin listed in the 1935 Invercargill electoral roll at 11 Layard St as an artist.

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Greetings!

Please bear in mind that the 1935 Pictorial stamps were valid for not only postage but also for revenue purposes.

A number of these issues were overprinted for specific revenue purposes, such as FINE PAID and DENOTING. These are additional varieties which may be included in any NZ 1935 Pictorial collection.

The 7th edition of the Kiwi Catalogue of New Zealand Revenue and Railway Stamps (which I edit) will be released later this year, and is expected to contain much more information about these and other NZ revenue/railway stamps than appears in the now out of print 6th edition.

Details will of course be posted on Stampboards.

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satsuma wrote:The NZ post website identifies the designer as T H Jenkins of Invercargill.


Having said that there is a Thomas Hugh Jenkin listed in the 1935 Invercargill electoral roll at 11 Layard St as an artist.
Thanks David. I’m sure that’s the man.
Much appreciated.

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Hi there,

Here is the 1935 1½ Maori woman with hanging food Basket Official Block.

Is this a recorded flaw. Shaved O or Flat O on Official. Bottom left.
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A bit of toning on rear.

If its been recorded . What's it worth?

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Nothing in this forum for nearly two years? Have to work on that!

Love your Avatar, KiwiDude. Sorry, can't answer your question but Warm might know.

I have (finally!) re-created the website images of my 1935 Pictorials collection. No new images - it's just the same as when last exhibited in 2012 but at least it is back in public view. My previous website became obsolete - HTML4 instead of 5 or some such thing. But I have now discovered the wonders of the Wix system so back in cyberspace.

Here is the link:
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Good to see you back Graeme .. why now list the pages here - and they will stay put as a reference forever then?

We have over a million images stored safely here on our huge USA servers.

THEN you can store huge images Iike the GB page below, and not these tiny little thumbnails sizes, with no absolutely no detail easily readable. :!:

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SPINK, London are about to launch an e-auction of 1935 Pictorials. Details not on line yet.
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Dr Philip Hoare was a member of the New Zealand Society of Great Britain and had, over many years,assembled some fantastic 1935 Pictorial material. This is being offered in this sale.

This is probably the best offering of this issue to come to the market in many years.

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The Philip Hoare collection has some excellent essay material including a number of examples by Archer (these are much scarcer than those by Collins).

There is an article on Archer and his essays and proofs in the September 2021 issue of The Kiwi, journal of the New Zealands Society of Great Britain.

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Hi Glen and Chippin.

The thumbnails on my website should expand when clicked. Do you mean post all 80 images to Stampboards? Or is there another storage area on the site?

Thanks for the information on the Spink auction and the Kiwi article. I shall certainly look at both.
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This auction is now live on the SPINK website.


https://live.spink.com/auctions/4-3845AZ/21115-the-philip-ho ... collection



Some exceptional material on offer. Much of this has been out of circulation for many years now.

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Thanks, Chippin.
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Graeme Morriss wrote:
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Hi Glen

The thumbnails on my website should expand when clicked. Do you mean post all 80 images to Stampboards?

Or is there another storage area on the site?

Your thumbnails are just that - the clicked on max size I posted above - we allow DOUBLE that size now as I showed you.

80 pages is nothing - this thread won Thread Of The Month last month - many 100s of pages -

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=89833

I am spending 5 figures a year to host our MILLION plus images forever on our own American servers. :mrgreen:

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Thanks, Glen.

I have now looked at that thread with all the large images.
I'll certainly consider posting my images here. A few other projects underway at present but after that . . .
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Further lots now added to the SPINK auction of Philip Hoare's collection of 1935 Pictorials. Now 310 lots in total.


Worth scanning through even if you don't collect this particular issue.

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