Lundy Island stamps - and oddities

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Here they are...the stamps that were in that envelope from that Nice covers thread. Well, some of them anyway.

More at Christmas !!

Also added a couple of Air mail blocks from my collection.....and 3 'Funnies' at the end !!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

After that thing called work is over I will write about Lundy and post it here.

In the meantime....Enjoy.

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Londonbus1......Never been to Lundy...yet :wink:

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Love the misperf blocks .. clearly made for collectors, but most striking!

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Did they have an airline?
I collect Poland on cover 1920-24, Soviet Union on cover 1920-60, specially 1939-41. Romania on cover to 1950. Stamps from South Bulgaria /Eastern Rumelia.

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Londonbus1,

Interesting stamps there. Waiting to hear about Lundy.

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G,day

Which LUNDY are you referring to, there is a LUNDY north east of Cabool , Missouri ,USA, but there is nothing there except scrubland and isolation, no airport or even a pastry shop.

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The LUNDY the stamps have been issued for, the Channel Island
I collect Poland on cover 1920-24, Soviet Union on cover 1920-60, specially 1939-41. Romania on cover to 1950. Stamps from South Bulgaria /Eastern Rumelia.

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great to see that there is another LUNDY island lover out there. i have a small collection of these items and hope to add some more soon.

Not popular in South Africa so can be purchased quite cheep.

paid R20.00 for a starter collection of 100 diff. stamps that is about AUD$3.40
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Hi Colin [again],
Hope you had a good nights sleep.

If you see any more starter collections for that price, let me know. I will be interested.

In the meantime...........LUNDY.

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A small Island about 12 miles off the UK's North Devon Coast.
It is 3 miles long and about half a mile wide.
A Postal Service already existed on the Island and The British Post Office served the population and visitors from a small hut.
It closed in 1927 and the owner of the Island, Martin Harman continued to move mail for free until issuing his own stamps on November 1st, 1929.

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Stamps have been issued ever since, many showing one of the Islands wildlife, the Puffin.

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Lundy attracts many visitors each year for walking,Bird-spotting, Climbing or just to relax. Some places to see are depicted on these.....

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...or go here for some lovely pictures.......
https://www.adventurephotographs.com/lundy/lundy_island/index.asp

The Island can be reached by it's own boat in the spring/summer months and by Helicopter from October to March. There is a small heliport on the Island. Private Light planes can also land for a small fee.

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Many national and other events are portrayed on the Lundy Stamps......

Europa....

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Royal Silver Jubilee.......

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..and others.....

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Why, one can even send their mail by Express Delivery !!!!

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Finally, for now at least, I am sure the 28 residents of the Island would like to wish you all a Happy Christmas.....and those few [very few,sadly] Puffins would like to convey those seasons greetings personally....

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Plenty of other info on this Island is available. Check out the sites.
A great source for stamps and covers, and other info can be had at......
https://www.stampingonlundy.co.uk/idx1.htm

I would like to thank Ian Luggar of Bideford, North Devon for some of the info.[And one or two of the stamps also !!]

I hope to visit Lundy next year during my UK sojourn.

Londonbus1........God Willing.

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Well at long last i have scanned my small collection of Lundy Island in.

Enjoy

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Two bona-fide covers from Lundy

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One sent by ME, 47 years ago, with an interesting use of a regular U.S. 5c stamp to collect Postage Due for underpayment before it left the States.

The other, a "Dear Doctor" postcard apparently mailed directly from Lundy. For more information on the fascinating preprinted "Dear Doctor" cards utilized by several pharmaceutical companies to advertise drugs to doctors, see: https://www.geocities.com/deardrpc/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; - there are hundreds of varieties known, all cataloged on this website.

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GREAT STUFF COLIN AND DOUG. :wink:

Will have a closer look after that thing called work.

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I also agree ... very very nice.

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Thanks Guys

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All you will every need to read on Lundy.

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In my previous reply, you will see an envelope flap with the Europa stamps on.

I have just found the illustrated envelope, that the flap fits !.

This seperated years ago, but I kept both bits.

Barnstaple cds for 8th December 1961.

Hope you like it.

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I think this is an oddity :

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The date on the Lundy cancel is, unfortunately, not clear.

The cover is from 1971 and has been mailed from Gangtok, Sikkim.

It bears India stamps but Sikkim did not become part of India till 1975.

I don't know whether this would be genuine postal use or a mere "philatelic contrivance".


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Sikkim was an independent state until forcibly "annexed" by India. It never issued postage stamps and used Indian stamps even before it was annexed, under a postal agreement with India. But it issued revenue stamps that are sometimes seen genuinely used on cover. Your cover was mailed by, and to, a well-known Lundy philatelist, to Lundy Island c/o a local friend living on Lundy. Lundy is peculiar in that mail had to bear a Lundy stamp both on outgoing and incoming mail, because theirs is a private local post, actually the oldest in the world still functioning. Mr. Van Zon, a Dutch collector, had hundreds of covers addressed to him c/o Lundy Island from odd places all over the world.

Lundy stamps are still being issued and used today, but only on outgoing mail.

There is a gorgeous 237-page 2009 Lundy catalogue by Jon Aitchison, available from him. His email address is: britishlocals@aol.com
You will see another Lundy CD catalogue advertised on eBay by Labbé, but it is nowhere nearly as complete, detailed and well done as Aitchison's. Labbé's is a mish-mash of older publications, with often poor illustrations. There is also another CD catalogue of British Locals, including Lundy, by Jost & Phillips. It is fully illustrated in colour and has more than 1000 (one thousand) pages. But being a general catalogue, it is not as complete as Aitchison's as far as Lundy philately is concerned.

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paleograph wrote:There is a gorgeous 237-page 2009 Lundy catalogue by Jon Aitchison, available from him. His email address is: britishlocals@aol.com
You will see another Lundy CD catalogue advertised on eBay by Labbé, but it is nowhere nearly as complete, detailed and well done as Aitchison's. Labbé's is a mish-mash of older publications, with often poor illustrations. There is also another CD catalogue of British Locals, including Lundy, by Jost & Phillips. It is fully illustrated in colour and has more than 1000 (one thousand) pages. But being a general catalogue, it is not as complete as Aitchison's as far as Lundy philately is concerned.
Is there a catalogue for all British Local Posts, a recent one with market values? Or at least for Herm Island?

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I've been slowly collecting (simplified) Lundy for some time. I have to agree with the previous catalogue comments; I've not found anything better than the Aitkinson book.

I've perhaps half of the stamps now, there are only a few hundred in total. The majority of stamps are not all that expensive. There are only a couple of the early stamp sets worth major money.

I find it somewhat confusing to collect - which probably means I'm not spending enough time reading the Aitkinson book.

Lundy appears to be riddled with bogus stamps; it's quite common to see Lundy stamps advertised as bogus on DelCampe and eBay. However I'm not certain that these are bogus in the sense that someone was trying to make a quick dollar, I have the impression that the previous generation of stamp clubs and collectors have had a great deal of "fun" making up their own Lundy stamps, overprints, and errors.

Quite a lot of the Lundy stamps come peforate and impeforate; I have a couple that Aitkinson doesn't seem to mention so I'm guessing these are bogus as well. On the other hand tiny impeforate proofs appear to available for a lot of Lundy stamps so perhaps that's what I have. I gather they also, thanks to war time shortages, cut up impeforate minisheets and used the individual stamps for postage.

I'm still more than a little confused and still trying to sort all this out :-)

They're usually pretty enough as stamps go; I find I quite like them :-)

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Is there a catalogue for all British Local Posts, a recent one .

My CD Modern British Locals Catalogue is forever being updated, most of the local posts do have market values, but as you can always see by going through Ebay, Delcampe, etc. you'll always find wide variations of prices.

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Ralph Phillips' CD catalogue of British Locals lists all the known British locals, most are illustrated in colour and hundreds of locals are not listed anywhere else. This catalogue is a must for anyone interested in British locals, it is much better and more complete than Gerald Rosen's famous (but long outdated) British Locals catalogue.

Ralph has also produced nearly 20 CD catalogues for stamps that are unlisted in the standard world-wide stamp catalogues. If you collect the unusual, these CD's are for you !

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Thanks, Ralph Phillips' one sounds good, also I see from the Seahorse publishers site that he also has a CD-Rom catalogue on British Postal Strike issues as well as the British Local Railway stamps, sounds very interesting to me, I might order all the 3 volumes :)

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dynamode wrote:Finally for my GB locals.

These are from St Kilda.

Apologies for the total lack of information for all the local stamps.

I have spent very little time researching them.

The two top left stamps, in this scan, seem to be the same issue, but appear to be a noticably different shade.

Apart from that, I really dont know much about them.




Is there a post office on St.Kilda, or are these stamps cancelled on the UK-mainland?
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Is there a post office on St.Kilda, or are these stamps cancelled on the UK-mainland?

There are nowadays no inhabitants on St. Kilda, so there is no need for a post office. The stamps are postmarked by the National Trust for Scotland who are now the owners of St. Kilda.

The Birds issue was the first of St. Kilda on August 26th, 1968, and were issued in an 8 stamp sheet.
The Flora of St. Kilda was a 6 stamp set issued on 20th February 1969, and the Horse Paintings 6 stamp set was issued om 30th June 1969.
There were quite a few other issues of St. Kilda including the use of these three sets overprinted for various events.
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Ralph, many thanks!

I was aware of the fact that there were no inhabitants anymore on St. Kilda, however there seems to be a (little) military/research station. Therefore I thought that the stamps maybe were cancelled at that station.
(which is common on other remote isles and places: Hopen, Bjørnøya and Jan Mayen, T.A.A.F etc.)

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Hugo,
From what I am given to understand the military there have no wish to "mess around" in civilian affairs. So the National Trust for Scotland had no alternative but to postmark the stamps on the mainland.
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member389845 wrote:Hugo,
From what I am given to understand the military there have no wish to "mess around" in civilian affairs.
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Sounds logical,

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BrieffiesWF wrote:Ralph, many thanks!

I was aware of the fact that there were no inhabitants anymore on St. Kilda, however there seems to be a (little) military/research station. Therefore I thought that the stamps maybe were cancelled at that station.
(which is common on other remote isles and places: Hopen, Bjørnøya and Jan Mayen, T.A.A.F etc.)

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Hugo, sorry to disappoint you, but I suspect these "labels" (I hesitate to call them "stamps") have ever been near St Kilda.

They were simply fund-raisers for the National Trust for Scotland (a charitable organisation involved in "conservation and heritage") and had no postal validity.

What the paintings of horses have got to do with St Kilda, heaven only knows. I suspect the hardiest little pony would find it tough out there, let alone a highly-strung thoroughbred :lol:

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gavin-h wrote: They were simply fund-raisers for the National Trust for Scotland (a charitable organisation involved in "conservation and heritage") and had no postal validity.
Did the National Trust of Scotland issue more Cinderellas like these?
With all these semi-uninhabited isles for the coast of Scotland there must be more isles issuing (or organisations) 'stamps'.

I've one from the Isle of Stroma with a 1968 cancel in memory of Sir Winston Churchill.
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See my post above (here is an excerpt):

"There is also another CD catalogue of British Locals, including Lundy, by Ralph Phillips (formerly Jost & Phillips) . It is fully illustrated in colour and has more than 1000 (one thousand) pages." Is there is an average of, say, 20 stamps per page, this would mean over 20,000 "local" stamps and labels for all U.K. offshore islands...

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paleograph wrote:"20,000 "local" stamps and labels for all U.K. offshore islands...
20.000 is a lot :shock: .
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Actually I'd say my CD catalogue is more like 16-17,000.
But with islands still issuing stamps, the day is not far off when we will reach 20,000.

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I am a big fan of Lundy as well, my collection is moderate (About 70%) complete and I have a letter sent to New Zealand from the Postmaster Fred Gade, in which he discusses the usual questions about Martin Coles Harman and then justifies the fact that 4/3 change is only worth 9 stamps valued at 51 Puffins. The letter dates from 1970/71 just befor ethe decimal changeover and at a time he would have been in his 70s or 80s. Gade was the postmaster from 1927 until his death in 1975.

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Princestamps.

Perhaps I can assist you with your quest for Lundy items.
I have quite a complete collection from which I can offer you as Mint Lightly Hinged.
If you send me a list to
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I'll send you my offer.
As for the other items you require, go to our website
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and if you see anything of interest there just send me to the above email the 5 number codes and I'll make you an offer cheaper that what appears there.
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member389845 wrote:Princestamps.

Perhaps I can assist you with your quest for Lundy items.
I have quite a complete collection from which I can offer you as Mint Lightly Hinged.
If you send me a list to
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I'll send you my offer.
As for the other items you require, go to our website
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and if you see anything of interest there just send me to the above email the 5 number codes and I'll make you an offer cheaper that what appears there.
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Ahoj everyone!

Here is a Lundy cover for the present Queen's coronation in 1953.

I don't usually like 'locals', but this one I feel looks a bit more authentic.

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I feel sure it would be missing from most QE2 Coronation collections.

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honza wrote:Ahoj everyone!

Here is a Lundy cover for the present Queen's coronation in 1953.

I don't usually like 'locals', but this one I feel looks a bit more authentic.

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I feel sure it would be missing from most QE2 Coronation collections.

Cheers,

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Thats an excellent cover! and most of us Lundy fans would love that in our collections, its probably worth some serious moolah too for two reasons.

1. The Lundy stamps are on the front with the GB one (Although they were added a day later, the British stamp would have been added with the Lundy cover art), thats rare as most of mine have the Lundy items on the back.
2. Its addressed to Martin Coles Harman, the owner and king of Lundy, the year before he died.

Great find :D

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Ahoj Princestamps!

Thank you for your enthusiastic appreciation of my Lundy cover. It is nice to get such positive response to one's postings.

Actually I am trying to downsize my collection and was thinking of putting it on Delcampe or eBay. If you would like to make me a private offer by email prior to that, please do so.

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honza wrote:Ahoj Princestamps!

Thank you for your enthusiastic appreciation of my Lundy cover. It is nice to get such positive response to one's postings.

Actually I am trying to downsize my collection and was thinking of putting it on Delcampe or eBay. If you would like to make me a private offer by email prior to that, please do so.

Cheers,

Honza

Would like too, but I don't use ebay as my account was hacked by phishers on a daily basis and I got confused with the volume of phishing versus legitimate emails. We have a great local site here called Trade Me which is a zillion times better and safer.

Plus I don't have or trust Paypal as it again comes with a million phishers and hackers.

And your in Czech Republic, a country with a caution to send money here from, due to a few scams in the Russian romance and fake viagra scams from spam emails from eastern europe.

Even if I did I would be looking at a $25 dollar transfer fee at least in addition to what ever I would pay for this cover (My offer would have been $25 NZD which is 20 USD).

But thanks for the offer, put it on ebay and you may be surprised with the money that rolls in, because its a good piece.
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Some of my gems feature these beauties, the 1943 Wright Brothers overprint set printed by the Lundy Philatelic Bureau at Kettering and then Northampton during the war. I have 9 of the 12 stamps. The 1.5 puffin has a missing tail strut, 6 puffin a joined 9 to the 0 and the 8 puffin has a double joined date. The high values catalogue at 30 quid each.

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This page has several other part sets of the period, including a part set of the 1942 V overprints and IX anniversary airmail reprints as well as an incomplete Tighearna sheetlet and sample cut outs

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According to the Puffin Stamps catalogue of 2003, these items are quite scarce and desirable in contrast to most of the post 1950 output. The 1954 sets had as many as 500k per stamp, but some of these there are as little as 500 issued and seldom more than 10k except for half and one puffin values.

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This is my best item, a scarce 4 Puffin overprint of the IX anniversary set. It catalogues at 30 quid, but also has not dot above the eye, making it more scarce and this whole set was littered with mistakes, planes missing tails, struts, joined letters plagued early Lundy stuff.

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This is the first Lundy stamps, a pair of the half and one puffin released on November 1st 1929 and the follow up group of 6, 9 and 12 puffin. A Puffin was equivalent to a penny, and Martin Coles Harman minted his own coins in the half and one puffin values. Smaller than British coins, he was tried and fined Five pound, the coins are collectors pieces now.
These stamps are not rare, over 400,000 each were printed by Bradbury and Wilkinson of the low values and 120 -145k each of the high values and a set will cost a few pounds at most.

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Errors of course are rife and worth more, a usual one is the joined ligatures in the L of Lundy making it look like an H.
The stamps are clever too as they show the number of puffins per value, the half has its face and chest, 1 has the whole bird and the 9 and 12 just look hilarious.

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I had these too, I am unsure about them as the postmarks are right, but the dates are too early. The stamps came out in November 1929, some of these are July and August of that year. Some one has had fun winding back the date stamp!!!!
I don't have much of the air tickets so have left these out.

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I also have this letter from Fred Gade, the postmaster on Lundy from 1927 to his retirement in 1972. This letter is from late 1970 (It was posted in early 1971 before decimalisation), and you may notice the number of spelling and grammar errors. It was obvious he was nearly over it by this stage (He is answering a few inane questions from a NZer who assumed he was a stamp collector and Martin Coles Harman was still fit and well - he died back in 1954).

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I only paid $10 for it and the cover it came in with 3 of the 1969 Ruby anniversary values.

Decimalisation just saw the Puffin change to its decimal equivalent, no new puffins or anything. Stamps were still denominated in puffins as before, but now its was assumed they were worth their decimal values.
This set from 1972 shows the lighthouses on Lundy run by Trinity House, the 3 - 10 Puffin is fairly scarce with only 8k of each printed compared to 29k of the 2 puffin and 50k of the lowest value. Its book value of 28 pounds is the highest for a post 1950 item excepting scarce appeal overprints in 1969 and a 1989 sheetlet.

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Lundy are still producing stamps today, 83 years after they began. Heres a very high value block of 772 puffin, featuring a block of 5 of the 2006 Montagu issue (The HMS Montagu was run aground in fog on the rocks of Lundy on May 30 1906 and after a year of salvage attempts, it was broken up and sold for scrap. For the year it was aground on Lundy it became a big tourist attraction).

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This is also the latest set from Lundy issued this year showing events of Lundy History. I strongly recommend anyone to read the Wikipedia article about its history as its had an amazing history.

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Ahoj Princestamps!

I am sorry that you have had such bad experiences with eBay, Paypal, Russian romance, fake viagra and email scams. :(

As for the Czech Republic, it is a much safer and friendlier country than Britain for example.

Young people stand up and offer you their seat on public transport. People give a greeting when they enter shops and restaurants and I have not encountered drunken violence, although the beer is good and flows freely. :D

The only downside is that it is still legal to smoke in bars and restaurants. :evil:

Anyway thank you for your evaluation of the cover and the interesting observations. I will put it on Delcampe next Sunday and see how it goes.

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Honza, I wholeheartedly share your views on the Czech Republic (and I love its beautifully engraved stamps). Most Lundy Coronation F.D.C.'s did not go through the mail and are purely philatelic. Yours is interesting because it did perform postal duty and the Lundy stamps are on the front side (because it is on incoming mail) rather than on the back (as on outgoing mail). It is not rare but interesting. A few identical covers recently sold on eBay at about $15 - $25.

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Ahoj paleograph!

Thank you for your further information. It confirms Princestamps' valuation, which gives me some idea where to start it on Delcampe on Sunday. Without your help, I would not have known anything about its status.

I am glad you like Czech stamps. I agree that many are very beautiful.

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Nice airmail usage
'Never eat the yellow snow'

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honza wrote:Ahoj paleograph!

Thank you for your further information. It confirms Princestamps' valuation, which gives me some idea where to start it on Delcampe on Sunday. Without your help, I would not have known anything about its status.

I am glad you like Czech stamps. I agree that many are very beautiful.

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Sorry if I insulted your country, Its just recently I had a friend do a tour of Europe and when he was in Prague, he was robbed by gypsies and was nearly stabbed by gangsters (He's gay and made a pass at them I think).
I have heard wonderful things about the culture and architecture though.

Nice cover moonstone, good to see Lundy stamp and a fairly rare airline label. You will notice like most early Lundy items, it was used first in Britain (Mar 31) and then later the lundy markings (Apr 3). Yours is more interesting as it appears to reach Lundy maybe via Wales (Newport - Montgomeryshire) rather than the usual Bideford or Ilfracombe in Devon.

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Ahoj Princestamps!

Sorry if I sounded offended, I just wanted to dispel the idea that the CZR was a shady underworld of organized crime. Obviously your friend had a bad experience, but it is far from typical. Pickpockets are a problem in the tourist areas and on public transport going up to the Castle, for example, but I have never heard of violence towards visitors.

Back to my cover, do you think eBay would be better than Delcampe for Lundy material?

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Unless you have a decidedly rare or desirable item, Lundy lots seem to be sitting forever on Delcampe. There is more action on eBay. My 2-cents.

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