Who collects the fantasy stamps of self-declared States?

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Someone recently asked the question here "Who collects these stamps?"
If it were nobody, then I would not have bothered producing 26 CD Catalogues of this type of stamp.
If anyone is interested they can either contact me here or by email at phillipo@012.net.il

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s anybody able to publish a full catalogue of the stamps of Rainbow Creek and Hutt River Principality, similar to that of Chyan shown earlier in this thread?

I will be able to help with the Hutt River Principality catalogue.

It will have to wait tho, until I have finished the Snark Island thread.

(I will list and show the Hutt River in a similar manner to the Snark Island stamps)


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Hi !

That's a question rather difficult to clearly answer !

It's not a new thing that fantasy images were produced
on behalf of "uncertain" countries... but presently, printing
processes are far more easier to manage, and (almost) everybody
can now produce it's own stamps at home, on a legal basis, as
"personalized" stamps", provided you pay the tariff to the legal
postal authority of your country.
But that's not the exactly the point !
To start with ancient things, i.e. end of XIXth to beginning years
of the XXth century, there were inter alia, the following:
- The "octogonals" of Thessalia, mainly C.T.O., but possibly genuinely
"used on cover". A contested territory between Turkey and Greece.
- The "Myrditia" stamps, and also the "Chimarra" issue. A contested
territory between Greece and Albania.
- The "Neutral Moresnet" territory, at the tri-junction of Belgium, Germany,
and Netherlands, omitted in a former peace treaty.
- By the way, an other peace treaty omitted a formerly turkish island in the
middle of the Danube: Ada Kaleh, at the tri-junction of Hungary, Romania,
and Serbia. However, no Financial Genius had the idea of producing "stamps"
for this politically undecided territory ! So, hungarian stamps were used, and
cancelled at Orsova, the Hungarian town on the bank of Danube facing the
island of Ada Kaleh. N.B. Due to the dam built on the Danube, this island
nowadays no more exists, being entirely flooded.
- The Sedang stamps ! The 1888 issue has possibly been used, but obviously
not recognized by the then government of French Indochina! It was possibly
printed in Asia - Japan, or Malaya, or else -... Not sure.
The 1889 issue, printed in Paris, was an obvious fund-raiser, and never saw
any other horizon at that time than the one of the parisian gullible collectors !
- And "Turkestan", early "Armenia", "Azebaïdjan Occupation" etc... etc.

Then, for nowadays "productions", such as Hutt River, etc... Lundy Island:
Those ones seems to be what one can call "Local P.O." - Provided they are
when addressed, with real genuine stamps of the real country of origin, they
can easily "pass the test" of "circulated cover" !
Concerning the "TIBET" stamps of the Government in Exile: although the
Dalaï-Lama is welcome in India, not any country, not even India, officially
recognized his Government in Exile (fear of China's wrath and retalations).
They (Tibetans and the Dalaï-Lama) are merely admitted and accepted !
So, no hope for genuine "Tibetan Government in Exile Stamps" !

That said, collectors will obviously collect what they want to collect !
No problem !
But, a philatelist, genuinely interested in the postal history of,
for e.g. Albania, may surely show Myrditia or Chimarra "stamps",
at the BOC (well: back of the collection, not BOB !),provided the
"dubious status" is clearly stated and explained !
This is obviously part of history of what has been done,
not only warlike but also financially, to conquer a territory
by a little piece of paper !
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Hi there !

In addition to my previous reply, there remains the
question of "what are SELF DECLARED STATES".
As per U.N.O. régulations, that seems to be very
difficult, unless the "sovereign state" agrees for a
secession (well before U.N.O., it seems there was a
problem between "United States" and "Confederated
States" (Houston, we've had a problem !).
What's about Biafra ?
What's about Kosovo ?
And what's about the "velvet" separation of Slovakia from
Bohemia ?
And the unpeaceful exploding of Yugoslavia ?
And the internal disintegration of USSR ?
And the possible wish of Belgian francophones to merge with
France (not admitted by the french constitution).
And the wish for Scotland or Québec to separate from UK or
Canada respectively (referendums admitted by constitution,
but up to now, negative).
Perhaps this will give opportunities for new stamps, isn'it ?
Well, all your comments will be welcome !
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A nice discussion you have raised there, Monsieur Mahalao. Do you have some examples of all those various cinderellas you mention? Could you show photos, please?

Here is an earlier issue from Occussi-Ambeno, the 1996 set for the Festival of Hathor.

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Occussi-Ambeno 1996 Festival of Hathor set.

The set was printed by Adana letterpress on thick white glossy paper without watermark, and perf 12. The design shows a photograph of the great goddess Hathor, and at the foot are the Egyptian hieroglyphs saying Festival of the great Hathor.

Sadly, the print was not a success. The red base of the 15c stamp is hard to see, and the pale pink of the $2 stamp does not work so well either, although the pink stamp looks a lot better in actuality, as the scanner seems to have failed to capture its true pinkness.
Wikipedia wrote:Hathor is a major goddess in ancient Egyptian religion who plays a wide variety of roles. As a sky deity, she is the mother or consort of the sky god Horus and the sun god Ra, both of whom are connected with kingship, and thus she is the symbolic mother of their earthly counterparts, the Pharaohs and Sultans. She is one of several goddesses who act as the Eye of Ra, Ra's feminine counterpart, and in this form she has a vengeful aspect that protects him from his enemies. Her contrasting, beneficent side represents music, dance, joy, love, sexuality, and maternal care, and she acts as the consort of several male deities and the mother of their sons. These two sides of the goddess exemplify the Egyptian conception of femininity. Hathor also crosses boundaries between worlds, helping deceased souls in the transition to the afterlife.

Hathor is often depicted as a cow, symbolizing her maternal and celestial aspects, although her most common form is a woman wearing a headdress of cow horns and a sun disk. She can also be represented as a lioness, cobra, or sycomore tree.

Cattle goddesses similar to Hathor were portrayed in Egyptian art in the fourth millennium BC, but she herself appeared in the Old Kingdom (c. 2686–2181 BC). With the patronage of Old Kingdom rulers she became one of Egypt's most important deities. More temples were dedicated to her than to any other goddess, of which the most prominent was Dendera Temple in Upper Egypt. She is also worshipped in the temples of her male consorts. The Egyptians connect her with foreign lands such as Nubia and Canaan and their valuable goods, such as incense and semiprecious stones, and some of the peoples in those lands adopted her worship. In Egypt itself, she is one of the deities commonly invoked in private prayers and votive offerings, particularly by women desiring children.

During the New Kingdom (c. 1550–1070 BC), goddesses such as Mut and Isis encroached on Hathor's position in royal ideology, but she remains one of the most widely worshipped deities. After the end of the New Kingdom, Hathor was increasingly overshadowed by Isis, but she continues to be venerated in ancient Egyptian religion.

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Hi Panterra !

This was not exactly "raising a new discussion", but trying to
expose some ruminations, (but not micronations !)
And unfortunately and regretfully, no, I cannot illustrate
with some examples !

Nevertheless, I've had an afterthought, an other question:

General stamp catalogues deal mainly with "recognized" stamps,
i.e. issued by an established "state authority", and clearly mention
they will not list "local stamps". So well, that's their own right.

But then, why do they list the first issues of China, before China
joined the U.P.U., and it's stamps were then considered as valid for
the outside world (of U.P.U. ?) Before that, they were "locals", isn't it ?
They had the same status as the stamps of the "Treaty Ports", which
they do not list ! Seems to be an inconsistency !
And this is just an example, and certainly not the only one.

After all, what is exactly a postage stamp?
It is just a little piece of paper that you pay in advance to an "authority"
in which you have confidence it will carry your precious letter from a place
to an other place, provided you stick on the cover enclosing your letter this
"little piece of paper" proving your prepayment for this service. There is
absolutely no difference when you buy "from an authority" a train or plane
ticket, except that this ticket, you will not stick upon the clothes enclosing
your precious person, but just put it in your pocket, ready to show to the
comproller to ascertain your prepayment for the service of tour own transportation !

That was just to say, therefore, that there is no great difference between "stately"
or "locally" issued stamps !
They all were issued by a trustful "authority" ensuring the conveyance of mails !
But we are here, I know, far away from real "cinderellas" !

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Oui Monsieur, your points are certainly valid.

Other strange examples I could mention are the first stamp of Trinidad, "Lady McLeod", being nothing but a local courier's label. And the first and only stamp of Tierra del Fuego being a miner's label. Certainly these both meet the definition of "cinderellas" so should be discussed in this thread, rather than the "mainstream".

Clearly, the catalogues do not deal in
ONLY authenticated government posts. They can be as fickle as Mister Trump, now proved to be "a stranger to truth." (But you can guarantee that some small islands or sand dunes will continue to show him on stamps!)

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If the reply to this question was noboby, then please explain to me why over the past 15 years I have been producing and selling CD Catalogues of these fields of philately and have so far produced 26 separate catalogues, with 4 more in the works.

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member389845 wrote:. . . I have been producing and selling CD Catalogues of these fields of philately and have so far produced 26 separate catalogues, with 4 more in the works.
Yes, cinderella philately owes a deep sense of gratitude to Ralph for his dedicated work producing these CD catalogues.

He was awarded the Glasewald Medal for non-official philatelic activities in 2016. This is the Nobel Prize equivalent in cinderella philately!

So thank you again, Ralph! And we all hope you will continue to produce more of these fine CD catalogues.

Another stamp from Occussi-Ambeno from last year, which I don't think I have illustrated and described yet:

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Occussi-Ambeno 2017 Centenary of the Great October Socialist Revolution.

The single 45 cents stamp features a photo of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, who masterminded the coup, and became the new Head of State. It is the first time Occussi-Ambeno has ever issued a hexagonal stamp.

Date of issue was 7th November 2017. The stamps have been printed in full colour and perforated 12 gauge, by Chan Hui Shudian Printing SA, Minaue, Waikoa Island. This was something of a departure for Occussi-Ambeno, whose stamps in the past have been mostly printed in Spain or Occussi-Ambeno itself.

The Great October Socialist Revolution was a revolution in Russia led by the Bolsheviks under Vladimir Lenin that was instrumental in the larger Russian Revolution of 1917. It took place with an armed insurrection in Petrograd on the 25th of October (7th November, new style) 1917.

It followed the February Revolution of the same year, which overthrew the Tsarist autocracy. During this time, urban workers began to organize into councils (Soviets) wherein revolutionaries criticized the provisional government and its actions. After the Congress of Soviets, now the governing body, had its second session, it elected members of the Bolsheviks and other groups to important positions within the new state of affairs. This immediately initiated the establishment of the Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic, the world's first self-proclaimed socialist state.

On 17th July 1918, the Tsar and his family were executed with Lenin's approval. This was sweet revenge for Lenin, whose older brother Alexander had been executed by the Tsarist regime back in 1887. Some argue that this murder was the cause of Lenin's violent path through life. Upon hearing of the death of his brother, Lenin allegedly said, "I'll make them pay for this! I swear it."

Lenin stamps became hugely popular among philatelists (and would-be high officials) in the Eastern bloc during the Soviet period, and remain popular today among folks who mourn for the "good old days" of a nice welfare state and no mafia rule, before the rampant inflation and ruinous economic policies of the present day took effect. This phenomenon is similar to the way many folks in UK collect "the royal family": it shows slavish devotion to the aristocracy, and assures folks of your political "suitability" for high office! For a candid look at the "Lenin on stamps" theme, see this article.

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This has been a great read with excellent scans of micronations I had never heard of, and entertaining, heated discussions...
And to think it all started with quite an innocent question!

To answer this thread's question:
I am one of those odd people that tries to collect them, but without buying FDCs or mint-condition blocks at the source or spending lots of money on them. If I come across them at markets or in the proverbial backs of albums, I will buy them. Only the really old ones have been worth a bit more of my money, like Sedang, Malakote, and Principaute de Trinidad (and Moresnet, although that one might have been more than a micronation, the same goes for Tierra del Fuego)...
The modern ones are sadly still quite absent in my collection, with the exception of Sealand and Redonda, and unclaimed cinderella 'nations' like all of those English, Scottish, Welsh and Canal islands, Isö, Principality of Thomond, Thule, fictional Pepys' Island and Surf Islands, and even Duckstad / Entenhausen (both Disney's Duckburg, but the Dutch and German translations). Official stamp dealers still tend to stay away from the stuff, although old poster stamps, fiscal stamps, and the micronation stamps are gaining popularity lately, and my 'regular' dealers do have them occasionally...

I collect them because (1) I like the rebellious concept of micronations - even of the most questionable ones - and (2) they fit in my collection which I like to describe as housing 'at least one stamp of every stamp-producing country / region / city / commercial company / fake sovereign / other'. So, apart from every (un)recognised country, I also collect revolutionary stamps, (steam)boat and railway stamps, and postal strike stamps.
And I am jealous of the rich micronation 'tradition' in Australia. Other than the mentioned back yards, the densely populated Netherlands can hardly be claimed anymore, and printing cinderella-stamps seems to be a forgotten profession over here.
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Just imagine my unreadble scratches as a signature here!

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Occussi-Ambeno 1990 Zeppelin Round-the-world flight, with INVERTED overprint.

The Round-the-world flight of one of Occussi-Ambeno's helium-filled zeppelin fleet in 1990 was a major public relations event in the Fifth World, and commemorative stamps were issued by a number of countries.

Sadly, the overprinting (on Occussi-Ambeno's "Mutiny on the Bounty" 90c commemorative from the year previous) was a tad rushed, and some stamps had the overprints inverted.

For more details on Swiftair, the Occussi-Ambeno zeppelin airline, please see their website: https://geocities.ws/swiftair/

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hello,
i am from austria, i am interested in stamps from oecussi-ambeno, panterra, are you the one who has some of them?
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MEVU

Just received this cover.
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Posted at MEVU on March 4
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and arrived in Sydney on March 12. That was a fast penguin

The posties seem to have totally ignored some "New Zealand cinderellas" roosting in the lower left corner.
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Of particular interest was the private airmail label.
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A very attractive A4 cover with a story to tell.

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I started to collect these weird looking stamps, because I was intrigued to their countries of origin. I have gathered stamps from Hut country, Maluku Selatan, Benadir, Palestine, Roma and many other exotic names of countries. Some has genuine countries name, but the stamps are not issued.

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warm wrote:A very attractive A4 cover with a story to tell.
The only story it tells is that NZMail couldn't be bothered to cancel the stamps that enabled the sender to pay for the service provided by them (NZMail) and no other postal service, to get the pretty cover adorned with colourful labels, from New Zealand to Australia.
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MAHALAO wrote:General stamp catalogues deal mainly with "recognized" stamps,
i.e. issued by an established "state authority", and clearly mention
they will not list "local stamps". So well, that's their own right.

But then, why do they list the first issues of China, before China
joined the U.P.U., and it's stamps were then considered as valid for
the outside world (of U.P.U. ?) Before that, they were "locals", isn't it ?
They had the same status as the stamps of the "Treaty Ports", which
they do not list ! Seems to be an inconsistency !
Given that the UPU was only created in 1874 your argument about China could be regarded as applicable to every country that issued stamps before then! Of course I know that is not what you meant.

But "locals" means stamps only valid within a local read within a country. For example, the town or state posts of Scandinavian countries or Germany (see another thread here about German locals). Stamps only sold in a local area but which paid postage for letters to be carried outside that area are not locals - for example, the 1992 St Petersburg stamps which were surcharged on USSR stamps and used in place of stamps of the Russian Federation for international as well as internal mail.

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The locally produced stamps from TransDniestr, however, were only valid for use within that area and letters for the rest of Moldova or worldwide have to have Moldovan stamps. So these are locals, albeit postally used and valid, on their own.

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warm wrote:Of particular interest was the private airmail label.
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Ha!

That's a rather poor copy of a British Empire air mail label from the 1930's.

You can clearly see the poor scanning/printing :!:

See - https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=85671#p5949068
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Maybe someone's done what ViccyVFU suggested :lol: :lol:

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Sandy Island 2019 minisheet, including the poisonous blue frog on one value!
Sandy Island, a small Pacific outpost, has had its distinctive stamps for several years now, and in 2019, issued this attractive set to show some of its charming wildlife. Here is the minisheet, which comprises several values, including the blue frog, butterfly, and squirrel.

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The blue poison dart frog or okopipi (Dendrobates tinctorius "azureus") is found in the forests surrounded by the Sipaliwini savanna, in southern Suriname & northern Brazil, and on Sandy Island. Its scientific name comes from its azure color.

It breeds seasonally, usually during February or March when the weather is rainy. To find mates, the males sit on a rock and produce quiet calls, which the females follow to track down the males. The females then physically fight over a male. The male takes the female to a quiet place by water, which becomes the site of the egg-laying. Once the eggs are laid, the male covers them in his sperm.

Between five and 10 offspring are produced at each mating. Eggs are laid in the male’s territory, which he defends. The male takes care of the eggs, sometimes joined by the female. The eggs hatch after 14 to 18 days, and after 10 to 12 weeks the tadpoles are fully mature. Both sexes reach sexual maturity at two years of age. The expected lifespan of D. tinctorius "azureus" is between 4 and 6 years in the wild, and about 10 years in captivity.

Squirrels are members of the family Sciuridae. They mate either once or twice a year and, following a gestation period of three to six weeks, give birth to a number of offspring that varies by species. The young are altricial, being born naked, toothless, and blind. The female alone looks after the young, which are weaned at six to ten weeks and become sexually mature by the end of their first year. The ground-dwelling squirrel species are social, often living in well-developed colonies, while the tree-dwelling species are more solitary.

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Here is a new issue from Occussi-Ambeno, the 2019 stamp for the First Direct Airship Flight from Occussi-Ambeno to Kemp Land.
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Occussi-Ambeno 2019 First Direct Airship Flight from Occussi-Ambeno to Kemp Land.
Occussi-Ambeno celebrated the first direct airship flight to Kemp Land, which departed for the Antarctic on 18th July 2019, and this attractive Sibelius stamp was overprinted in purple and issued.

The design includes the Zeppelin airship logo of Swiftair Corp, and the Helsinki Cathedral in Finland on the basic stamp.

During the overprinting, some stamps were accidentally overprinted upside down.

Swiftair website wrote:Swiftair Corporation uses modern, safe, and fast high-tech airships filled with helium, an inert gas that will not ignite. It is 100% safe for airship travel. Swiftair's fleet of five zeppelins operates regularly within Occussi-Ambeno and also runs less frequent international links.

From the earliest days of letter post and stamp collecting, people have delighted in creating tangible souvenirs of their epic experiences, and among experiences, surely there are few that can beat a flight in an airship!

The earliest known balloon mail are letters from citizens of Paris in 1870, when the city was under siege by the Prussian army. Letters for the distant provinces and foreign lands were inscribed "Par ballon monté" (via mounted balloon) and launched upwards in hot air balloons to drift with the wind and (hopefully) land in non-enemy territory. Although some balloons were captured, quite a lot of mail got through safely, and these flown envelopes are highly prized by philatelists. They are known as ballon montés after the cachet applied. In the era of the giant zeppelins, run as a commercial fleet by the German firm Luftschiffbau Zeppelin GmbH, much mail was carried from country to country, always with rubber-stamped cachets applied on board to indicate this transit. Although not scarce, zeppelin flight envelopes are very sought-after, and represent an important part of the history of aerophilately.
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I dislike stamps created as somebody’s fantasy, because there are plenty of genuine postage stamps for collectors.

But if people have to satisfy their vanity projects with things that look like stamps, I suppose creating a false, fictional background story make sense. Keeps you off the streets I suppose.
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norvic wrote:But if people have to satisfy their vanity projects with things that look like stamps, I suppose creating a false, fictional background story make sense. Keeps you off the streets I suppose.
I agree, and it is obvious to most of us that they are mere fantasies.

But the danger in this is that when the fiction becomes entrenched on the internet, future stamp collectors may struggle to tell which are legitimate stamps and which are nonsense (whether frivolous and harmless or, more sinisterly, designed deliberately to part the naïve from their hard-earned...)

See also: "Fake News", "Con Artist" ,...

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The zeppelin has just returned from the sunny Antarctic, and some rather nice carried covers were on board.

I have a few spares if anyone collecting airships wants one for their collection.

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The Republic of Mevu in Antarctica, website can be found here:

https://www.angelfire.com/country/mevu/

They have a link to a list of presently-available stamps. A fascinating but chilly land, with an interesting range of stamps dating from 1970.

Happy to trade any of these (plus the minisheets).

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norvic wrote:But if people have to satisfy their vanity projects with things that look like stamps, I suppose creating a false, fictional background story make sense. Keeps you off the streets I suppose.
I agree, and it is obvious to most of us that they are mere fantasies.

But the danger in this is that when the fiction becomes entrenched on the internet, future stamp collectors may struggle to tell which are legitimate stamps and which are nonsense (whether frivolous and harmless or, more sinisterly, designed deliberately to part the naïve from their hard-earned...)

See also: "Fake News", "Con Artist" ,...

Well hopefully the people viewing the fantasy stamp issues, have a high enough IQ to realise that they are fantasises and not real stamps and my guess is an IQ of 80 is necessary to distinguish the difference.

Of course most of Australia and the northern part of England, "ere its ot, ya been named and shamed you ave'" 80 is the Mensa level :lol: Then again Shazza the trainee hairdresser chav from the Kirkby Runcorn estate in Liverpool may end up spending some of her giro on the fake stamps thinking they are real and then Boris and Nigel are throwing sanctions at us.

We have this one tiny thread on the whole of stampboards, and we know and understand that you and Norvic have a problem with the fantasy stamps of Panterra. But its time to get over it, grow up and take your grand standing and polemising somewhere else.

Let us enjoy our fanstasies and you can sing the merits of Machins and butt ugly wall paper stamps of Gurning from Royal Mail somewhere else.

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norvic wrote:I dislike stamps created as somebody’s fantasy, because there are plenty of genuine postage stamps for collectors.

But if people have to satisfy their vanity projects with things that look like stamps, I suppose creating a false, fictional background story make sense. Keeps you off the streets I suppose.

First of all - I can assure the creator of these stamps is well above the age of being a common street child. Much closer to the age of being in a retirement community.

Suggesting that we are street kids is also degrading and its nice to make fun of the unfortunates who do not have a home to live in. We have a major homeless problem here and its been caused by neo liberal right wing capitalist pigs controlling the economy for years.

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I see Jekyll and Hyde is back.

Pot - Kettle - Black comes to mind with your usual flair for insulting others while taking the moral high ground when you feel insulted.

And only 2 posts apart, both of them yours. "80 is their Mensa level". Good grief.

I to enjoy creating my "essays", but I don't invent new countries for them.
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It's just a bit of harmless fun.

The best news is that no civilian populations were harmed in the creation of these 'countries'.

Of course, this is probably due to them having no civilian populations :D

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Aden wrote:It's just a bit of harmless fun.

The best news is that no civilian populations were harmed in the creation of these 'countries'.

Of course, this is probably due to them having no civilian populations
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What do you mean? They surely have civilian populations, and even tertiary institutes, otherwise how would such awesome registered covers as this beauty exist?

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Panterra wrote:otherwise how would such awesome registered covers as this beauty exist?[/size]

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Could you show the reverse side of this cover? :wink:

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Allanswood wrote:. . . I to enjoy creating my "essays", but I don't invent new countries for them.
If you enjoy designing stamps and creating "essays", maybe you should consider inventing a new country to be the vehicle for your designs! The Fifth World now has numerous self-created lands that can be as fascinating as First World and Third World countries to study and form collections of.

It can be great fun, and you can then use your stamps on mail to other Fifth World countries, join the Postal Union, the GPTO, and join the "United Nations" of the Fifth World, the International Council of Independent States.

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Monte Bello Islands. Are they a protectorate of Hutt River ? And is Hermite a suburb of Lowendal ?
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Allanswood wrote:. . . I to enjoy creating my "essays", but I don't invent new countries for them.
If you enjoy designing stamps and creating "essays", maybe you should consider inventing a new country to be the vehicle for your designs! The Fifth World now has numerous self-created lands that can be as fascinating as First World and Third World countries to study and form collections of.

It can be great fun, and you can then use your stamps on mail to other Fifth World countries, join the Postal Union, the GPTO, and join the "United Nations" of the Fifth World, the International Council of Independent States.

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I agree, once I invented Taniquah, I never looked back, who am I now - Princestamps, King Utiku IV or plain old Tane.
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Panterra wrote:otherwise how would such awesome registered covers as this beauty exist?[/size]

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Could you show the reverse side of this cover? :wink:
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Panterra wrote:otherwise how would such awesome registered covers as this beauty exist?

Because it NEVER existed as REAL mail :wink: :wink: :wink:

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Since we are honoured to have a message from His Majesty, King Utiku the fourth of Taniquah, gracing this board, I show a rather beautiful first day cover I received from him way back in 2013, when he issued a set of charming cat stamps to celebrate his 37th birthday:

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Taniquah 2013 King's birthday set, on FDC, showing charming felines.

To vicaf60: sorry I am unable to locate the Chyan cover you request a scan of the back. It may have been mis-filed or possibly sold.

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Regardless of the fact that they fantasy covers, they are exceptionally well done.

It must take a fair amount of time to design and produce the stamps, the registration labels, the cachets, the postmarks and the 'back story'.

One of my favourite threads.

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This set was issued on 20th July 2019.

A special overprint was issued to celebrate the actual moon landing, and that was Occussi-Ambeno's first-ever commemorative set (if you exclude the "independence" overprints.)
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Bruce, by any chance have you made or do you plan to make a catalogue of all the private post stamps, fantasy stamps, cinderellas etc that you have printed/produced/issued over the years?

I think such a catalogue (online or printed) would be very interesting to cinderella collectors, and it would be a shame for cinderella philately if your creations are not listed and documented for posterity.
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Keeps you off the streets I suppose.
Suggesting that we are street kids is also degrading and its nice to make fun of the unfortunates who do not have a home to live in.
Ah, different culture, different language, different ages. Let's just clarify the term I used. I don't have access to my reference books which tells me when this was first used, but I found this passage on the web from somebody who had experienced a similar misunderstanding.
"If you’re talking about how busy you’ve been and explaining all the things you’ve been doing recently and then add that all of this keeps you off the streets, it’s simply a friendly, jokey way of laughing at yourself. The suggestion is that if you weren’t keeping yourself busy, you’d be out getting yourself into trouble in one way or another. Obviously, this is meant as comic exaggeration . . . which is maybe why it’s so easily misunderstood.
Another usage, again by somebody (often female) who keeps themselves busy with two or more jobs to bring in enough to earn a loving, "this keeps me off the streets" means either that I earn enough so that I am not destitute, or that if I didn't have enough money I would have to resort to prostitution.

So it is by no means a pejorative term. Saying that producing fantasy stamps "keeps the maker off the streets" would mean, firstly, that by being kept busy they don't need to spend their idle time (for example, walking the streets) looking for something else to do; and/or secondly that they earn enough from their fantasy manufacture that they can live comfortably. It is a very common term here in the UK and I have heard it on productions from other English-speaking countries, and is used in these senses only.

No reference to 'street children' is implied because the phrase has been in use as described since long before the term 'street children' became widely used.

No ofence intended, and any suggestion that it was is entirely misplaced. I am sorry that I didn't notice this earlier.

My opinion on fantasy stamps is still as I stated. "I dislike stamps created as somebody’s fantasy, because there are plenty of genuine postage stamps for collectors."
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Princestamps wrote:Of course most of Australia and the northern part of England, "ere its ot, ya been named and shamed you ave'" 80 is the Mensa level :lol: Then again Shazza the trainee hairdresser chav from the Kirkby Runcorn estate in Liverpool may end up spending some of her giro on the fake stamps thinking they are real and then Boris and Nigel are throwing sanctions at us.

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There is a good reason why I hardly come to stampboards any more and its all the haters and self righteous people who dominate it.
There is a good reason why I hardly ever read what you write on Stampboards any more, and it is because of the cr*p you wrote in the first para above. It makes no sense at all.

" "ere its ot, ya been named and shamed you ave'" " - what the heck is this supposed to mean? I think you mean, " 'ere, it's 'ot" if punctuated as I think it ought to be. OTOH if your quote is accurate then I have no idea what 'ere', 'ot', 'ya', and 'ave' mean.

"Then again Shazza the trainee hairdresser chav from the Kirkby Runcorn estate in Liverpool may end up spending some of her giro on the fake stamps thinking they are real " What do you think a giro was? (Was, because they haven't been used for years.)

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At the risk of knocking this off topic further, some additional references:

Financial Times:
I like treating a show in this way, catching it once or twice a month and making it my own. You get inside the performances, absorb the different choices the actors make. I don’t suppose there’s any harm. It keeps me off the streets. (Reference is to a theatre performance of Showboat.)
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While he isn’t yet making a living solely on his art, Pugay, a native of the Philippines, is enjoying exploring the world through his work.

“I would not recommend art as a means to make a living,” he says with a laugh. “It’s fun to do. It keeps me off the streets.”
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It was my attempt at the horrendous Lancashire, Manchester, Liverpool accent that you hear on Coronation Street, Holby City, Emmadale etc. Rubbish shows from our colonial masters that show White Englishmen speak English so poorly, with words that sound like the first and last letters are left off (Summat, ere, ouse) and live in 150 year old crumbling 2 ups (Homes under the Hammer).

Hence why I do not listen to Colonialistic Englishmen tell me my collection of fantasy stamps is not good because they like the real bland ones of Royal Mail more.

Believe me, a few more years and the Socialist Republic of Aotearoa will completely divest itself of respecting some overpaid Poms sitting on thrones. I think the mods should admit "Aotearoa" as a country and dispense with New Zealand, we are not a Danish (or Dutch island).

Yes the term off the streets, to our generation (Post 1967 Baby boomers) means people being forced on to the streets as the greed of the Baby Boomer generation means that they hold on to houses and jobs and Generation X down have to take on the crumbs.

That is all I am going to say to Norvic and I want to get back on to our topic and not fight Pie eyed Poms stuck in the past.
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HalfpennyYellow wrote:Bruce, by any chance have you made or do you plan to make a catalogue of all the private post stamps, fantasy stamps, cinderellas etc that you have printed/produced/issued over the years?

I think such a catalogue (online or printed) would be very interesting to cinderella collectors, and it would be a shame for cinderella philately if your creations are not listed and documented for posterity.
I agree, such a catalogue would be of interest, and I have already done catalogues of some of the lands I print stamps for (including Occussi-Ambeno, Kemp Land, Chyan, Free Vinland, Raoul Island, Waikoa Island.)

But most of my rather busy time is taken up with continuing to keep my fantasy lands active and sending off more mail to friends and colleagues, rather than documenting earlier issues. However, I would be happy to collaborate with some other person who wants to do such a catalogue.

And Ralph Phillips in Israel has done a number of CD catalogues which include many of my countries. You can contact him for details or to buy his CDs. He is on Stampboards as "member389845". Contact him for details of his excellent works and to buy his CD catalogues. And any stamps you need to complete your collection, contact me.

The Norwegian philatelist Geir Sor-Reime wrote a five-part article in UK magazine The Cinderella Philatelist in 2016, which mentioned many of the stamps I have done. But his articles also omitted many as well. Despite my correcting and updating much of what he submitted, the editors of The Cinderella Philatelist only printed what Geir gave them, thereby relegating their article to be an incomplete version.

So any volunteers to update my biography, get in touch!

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The stamps at the right show a family of lions on the savanna.
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Postie pussies
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The city fathers attempted to train 37 cats (imagine that!) to deliver mail from the central post office to outlying villages.
As some would say: keeps them off the street I suppose!

(But in the case of the cats, it keeps them ON the streets, being good postie pussies!)

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His Royal Highness, Prince Michael Damian the first, has announced that the Principality of Thanatos will issue a set of four stamps featuring charming kittens, to the certain delight of the mail-using populace of the Principality.
The Cinderella Philatelist, January 2019 wrote:The Principality of Thanatos is a tiny country located on a remote island in Scotland. Its exact location is kept secret by the head of state, HRH Prince Michael Damian I, who moved to this 4.3 sq km isle some 20 years ago. There is a small population of no more than 35 adults, whose principal occupations are fishing, chicken farming, weaving and dying, and fruit and vegetable production. There are also 6 cows, which provide milk, butter, cream, and cheese for the small population, which resides in one of the two settlements on the island called Tyrsby and Cove Bay.
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The Propaganda Minister kindly passed on the new Sandy Islands sheets this week. :)

And some good local mainstream media press that such issues are garnering in NZ. :mrgreen:

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Global Administrator wrote: And some good local mainstream media press that such issues are garnering in NZ. :mrgreen:

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REALLY???
If this cr*p is being touted to the mainstream press while postal administrations are doing so little publicity (at least here), that can only do harm to the hobby, and to reputable dealers who deal in postage stamps, and other similar which is officially issued.
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Oh well, we will have to agree to disagree on that. ALL publicity for the hobby is welcome.
norvic wrote: REALLY???
If this cr*p is being touted to the mainstream press while postal administrations are doing so little publicity (at least here), that can only do harm to the hobby, and to reputable dealers who deal in postage stamps, and other similar which is officially issued.
ANYONE promoting philately to a wider audience deserves a large Thank You from thinking collectors and dealers.

Publishing local club details, and their meeting times etc to a captive readership of retired folks could well be emulated by Norvic there locally. (But I'll bet it is not, sadly.)

Look forward to seeing posted here in due course, the full page he organises there. :idea: :idea: :idea:
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