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Anyone ever heard of Principality of Thomond stamps?

Post by ajolicoe »

Hi all,

I have a stamp from the Principality of Thomond. I have never heard of this place and was wondering if it is a real country that issues stamps for worldwide mail?

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Any information would be appreciated!

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Hi Gutters,

I don't think we are talking about the same thing as the Kingdom of Thomond existed from 1118–1543 only. I don't think they were issuing stamps at that time and it would look alot more frayed that it is!!!

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Thomond, Principality of, Ireland. Fantasy issues 1961-1966, related to the Dalcassian claim to the land that is part of Shannon Airport, Ireland.

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Hi all,

So there is absolutely no possibility of them being used postally then? :(

Thanks for the information Brummie.

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They are purely 'Cinderella' wallpaper jam labels - 'issued' by Clive Feigenbaum or the like, as I recall, to remove dollars from collector pockets.

Like Staffa and Eynhallow and other windswept rocks off Scotland etc, inhabited by 4 sheep.

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Hi all,

Now the question is do you keep them with the rest of the other stamps? Or discard them completely??

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There were 10 in the set so you might like to wait for the other 9 to turn up. :wink:

Back of the Book if it were mine and if anyone showed interest, give it to them really fast (before they change their mind).

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Well if anyone has the 9 others I would take them of your hands :D

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ajolicoe wrote:Hi all,

Now the question is do you keep them with the rest of the other stamps? Or discard them completely?
Some collectors disdain them and throw them in a "junk" box; as Glen says, they were just wallpaper/jam jar labels produced for collectors. These things are always thematics, so die-hard collectors of trains, animals, flowers might take anything showing their chosen theme.

Collectors frown on stamps from places like St. Vincent Grenadines, saying "Redonda is only inhabited by sheep, why does it need stamps?"...but at least those spits of land belong to a sovereign nations. All these Scottish locals were just money-making exercises, often the owner of the island printed the stamps, but with the exception of Lundy and 1 or 2 other places, they had zero postal validity.

And it appears the stamp you illustrate has a space overprint? So if you decide to keep these for your flowers-on-stamps collection, you might want to find the original set. :idea:
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So it's from Ireland then :)
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BoBs (Back of Book), cinderallas, jam-jar labels, wall-paper; while "serious" collectors may disdain them, they do have a place in the scheme of things. There are the political/socio-economic aspects which they highlight (quite apart from the fraudulent activities of some of the producers of them these days) which can make them desirable items in the future.

While putting together a poster on "the many faces of philately", I was stunned by the number of items I have to include - items thurled to thematics included.

My humble advice would be to keep friend Thomond, and try to assemble the rest of the set. The amount of knowledge gained from "worthless" pieces of paper is always valuable.

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Hi Mcgooley,

No worries, I was wondering what was happening but didn't want to pester you:)

Thanks everyone for your comments. I hadn't even noticed the space overprint! I think I will keep them with the other countries but I will specify that they are Fantasy stamps. As for completing the set I wouldn't be willing to pay lots of money for it but I will keep any I find.

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As for completing the set I wouldn't be willing to pay lots of money for it
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Put them with your collection of Lundy?

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I don't have any Lundy stamps but I conclude that they are the same kind of fantasy stamps.

Does anyone know of a website that catalogs all the different fantasy stamps?

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I have a dozen or so, if someone has a desperate need

And, to answer your question "Does anyone know of a website that catalogs all the different fantasy stamps?"

Yes, it is called eBay, but the stamps are always advertised as fantasies.

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Hi Britcollector,

You say you have a dozen stamps but of which? Lundy stamps or the Pincipality of Thomond? If you have the toher flower stamps from the one I posted I would like to swap it for something you might want:)

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Lundy has a lot more legitimacy as collector items than the Thomond, which in my opinion is a definite NO NO!

Lundy is an inhabited island in the Bristol channel and has had a local postal service denominated in "Puffins" ( The sea bird) where 1 puffin equates to a GB one penny . The service pays for mail to be taken across to the mainland where GB stamps have to be applied for onward transmission.

Stamps have been issued for LUNDY since the 1930s when an experimental Airmail service operated . They are still being issued and do have a postal purpose even if it is just a local service. therefore they do have a serious following and a Society of like minded collectors of their issues> I have sold a lot of covers recently on ebay for $5-$20 each! :D :D

I wouldn't give 20c for all the stamps of Thomond! :( :( :(

Thomond, and the above mentioned Eynhallow, Staffa have no local purpose , never were and never would be for "POSTAGE" :cry: :cry:
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Going back into the mid-1970s shortly after I began a modern stamp-issuing fantasy land (Occussi-Ambeno), I somehow got in touch with the Prince of Thomond, an elderly gentleman living in Dublin, and who was the claimant to the throne of Thomond. I still have several long and rambling letters from him in my archives, and he used those attractive Thomond stamps on his covers (which were in turn enclosed in another larger cover with Eire stamps on.) My responses were sent the same way: Occussi-Ambeno covers enclosed inside larger covers.

I had always assumed the pretty Thomond diamond-shapes were only a fundraiser, but no! They were intended to stake the prince's claim to his ancestral land.

All the stamps were diamond-shaped, and included such topics as seabirds, rugby football, & flowers. They were very attractively-printed, and totally impressed me, as my land was only on single-colour letterpress stamps with sewing-machine perfs at that time. A few years later, Thomond issued some rather explicit pornography stamps, as the new philatelic agent (a Norwegian) was keen on such material. With the porn stamps, they reverted to regular rectangle shapes.

There were also lots of funny overprints, such as "Rockets for peace!" (plus a missile, seems an odd concept), the space one shown by the OP, and several "Europa" issues. Each set of overprints included the entire pictorial set. I gather the overprints were the idea of their philatelic agent at the time, but the Prince just kept using the basic pictorial set without overprints.

Both our countries mutually recognised each other, and though I haven't heard from Prince Reamon in many years, presumably our lands are still allies.

I'll try to dig out some of his stuff to scan here.

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Panterra wrote:A few years later, Thomond issued some rather explicit pornography stamps, as the new philatelic agent (a Norwegian) was keen on such material. With the porn stamps, they reverted to regular rectangle shapes.
If the stamps had shown Chippendale dancers, they wouldn't have had to change the shape of the stamps. After all, diamonds are a girl's best friend. :mrgreen:
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Now that I've had time to look over the file on Prince Reamon, I can confirm that the 1960 Pictorial set comprises 12 values, all diamond-shapes:

Half pinsin ... Pink rose.
1p ... Yellow rose.
1.5p ... Steeplechase (horse jumping hurdle).
2.5p ... Horse racing.
3p ... Rugby game action (leaping for ball).
4p ... Football game in large stadium.
6p ... Birds in tree.
9p ... Birds on branch.
1/- ... Seagulls in sky with clouds.
1/6 ... Hummingbird gathering nectar.
2/- ... Jet airliner.
2/6 ... Helicopter.

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The entire set was overprinted the following year for "Europa 1961" as the "Europa-craze" had taken off among collectors around Europe by then. Here are a few:
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Thomond 1961 Europa, 2.5p & 3p.

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Thomond 1961 Europa, 6p & 9p.

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Thomond 1961 Europa, 2/- & 2/6.

In 1966, they had a Churchill set (along with most other philatelically-aware lands.) Here is one:

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Thomond 1966 Churchill. One shilling.

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vikingeck wrote: Thomond, and the above mentioned Eynhallow, Staffa have no local purpose , never were and never would be for "POSTAGE" :cry: :cry:
Not to get into a debate but I once did a bit of research into Eynhallow and am under the impression that stamps there once did have a local purpose of getting mail to the mainland. But from what I understand it is now a wildlife refuge with no human inhabitants and so for quite some time the stamps have been pure Cinderellas. True or not I can't say with certainty and I'm not going to fall on my sword over the matter!

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vikingeck wrote: Thomond, and the above mentioned Eynhallow, Staffa have no local purpose , never were and never would be for "POSTAGE" :cry: :cry:
Not to get into a debate but I once did a bit of research into Eynhallow and am under the impression that stamps there once did have a local purpose of getting mail to the mainland. But from what I understand it is now a wildlife refuge with no human inhabitants and so for quite some time the stamps have been pure Cinderellas. True or not I can't say with certainty and I'm not going to fall on my sword over the matter!

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Given that Eynhallow has been uninhabited since 1851 I would say they are all purely cinderellas (unless all the birds are in the habit of sending letters to each other....)

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^ I guess that would be "pigeon post" !

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Brit-Col wrote:
vikingeck wrote: Thomond, and the above mentioned Eynhallow, Staffa have no local purpose , never were and never would be for "POSTAGE" :cry: :cry:
Not to get into a debate but I once did a bit of research into Eynhallow and am under the impression that stamps there once did have a local purpose of getting mail to the mainland. But from what I understand it is now a wildlife refuge with no human inhabitants and so for quite some time the stamps have been pure Cinderellas. True or not I can't say with certainty and I'm not going to fall on my sword over the matter!

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Given that Eynhallow has been uninhabited since 1851 I would say they are all purely cinderellas (unless all the birds are in the habit of sending letters to each other....)
That would certainly throw my earlier information into serious doubt. Possibly those birds are corresponding with the feral goats of Redonda though...? :)

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new12collector wrote:Given that Eynhallow has been uninhabited since 1851 I would say they are all purely cinderellas (unless all the birds are in the habit of sending letters to each other....)
But..but..but..., I have all these used ones showing their car collections, wildlife, Soccer prowess, Military history, fruits, ship visits, sports heroes, bird life, ...everything that makes Eynhallow a desirable place to live. You can't tell me they are not real?

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fromdownunder wrote:Eynhallow lives!
Norm, I'll break this as gently as I know how.

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mcgooley wrote:
fromdownunder wrote:Eynhallow lives!
Norm, I'll break this as gently as I know how.

In case you missed the schemes behind the themes...
Very nicely put! :D
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Back to Thomond: shown here is their letter dated 8th July 1972, recognising Occussi-Ambeno:

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Thomond Foreign Ministry letter, 8 July 1972, recognising Occussi-Ambeno.

I've had an interesting time trawling through the Thomond file, and have one correction to the information I posted earlier: the first set of 12 pictorials was issued in 1961, not 1960 as I mentioned. So the 1961 Europa set was a rather prompt commemorative overprint!
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Here is an enlargement of the seal on the above letter:

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Thomond Foreign Ministry's seal.

The 2 red Henderson datestamps on the Thomond letter: the first indicates date received, while the second indicates date replied. That was my system for dealing with mail at the time. (But they NEVER got used for cancelling stamps!)

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I also have a stamp from Thomond - 1 1/2p Steeplechase. :(

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I came across this article I thought it belongs here.


http://www.eirephilatelicassoc.org/sites/default/files/1962_-_70.pdf

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I was given a small-ish collection about six months ago and just got around to sorting through it. I found these and thought I'd post them for posterity. They might fund three or four minutes of my retirement!

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Some months ago, I acquired an album that I am only now getting around to looking at. I was delighted to find some Eynhallow sheets in it.

I remembered reading about it on Stampboards so found this article and had a read again. Then, while I was putting the sheets away, I noticed something!

I have an error sheet! :shock: Now that really does have to double the value doesn't it!

Now let me see.....double the value 0....well, bless my cotton socks....it still makes 0.

Darn!

See if you can spot the error!

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hutch wrote:Some months ago, I acquired an album that I am only now getting around to looking at. I was delighted to find some Eynhallow sheets in it.

I remembered reading about it on Stampboards so found this article and had a read again. Then, while I was putting the sheets away, I noticed something!

I have an error sheet! :shock: Now that really does have to double the value doesn't it!

Now let me see.....double the value 0....well, bless my cotton socks....it still makes 0.

Darn!

See if you can spot the error!

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Oh well done Big Saint! :D

You now get a share of the main prize...half of the value of the stamp!! :lol:

Now, why can't I find something like that on a "real" stamp!!
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If anybody want to complete their set, let me know. Have alot of this thomond,staffa, etc. Laying here.

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But also some Pabay etc.

And then there are the mini souvenir sheets.

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Do you have any scans of the Thomond issues, I may be interested.

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I will post some comming monday when i am back at the stamps.

Some sheets etc. But i thought no complete series. Not sure atm though :).

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A fun and interesting thread to read. But, now I'm in great distress. Thought I had the complete 1966 Churchill CD and omnibus designs, only to discover that I don't. Now I must find the elusive Thomond overprint....sigh! :)
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Some pictures..a day to late...

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Some more..

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Based on the inscription below this block of stamps, it would appear that our friend Panterra, Sultan of Occussi-Ambeno, played more than a passing role in the creation of Thomond's pornographic issue!

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Re: Anyone ever heard of Principality of Thomond stamps?

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Re: Anyone ever heard of Principality of Thomond stamps?

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Does anyone still have these stamps from Thomond available?

Also any from Occussi-Ambeno?
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Re: Anyone ever heard of Principality of Thomond stamps?

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Thomond stamps can sometimes be found from stamp dealers, but hard to locate full sets these days.

Occussi-Ambeno stamps however are easier to locate, and many issues are available from:

Occussi-Ambeno Philatelic Bureau,
P.O. Box 876,
Auckland,
New Zealand 1140.


What's more, you don't even need to pay cash for stamps, FDCs and coins! Since the Occussians are all keen philatelists, they are happy to take your spares (or recent mint commem sets of your country) in trade.

Here is the website: www.angelfire.com/art/okusi/

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Re: Anyone ever heard of Principality of Thomond stamps?

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Ubobo.R.O. wrote:Does anyone still have these stamps from Thomond available?

Also any from Occussi-Ambeno?
I would be happy to get rid of these "treasures" if you are really interested in them :wink:
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Re: Anyone ever heard of Principality of Thomond stamps?

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Hi,

I've found some stamps from the "Principality of Thomond" while sorting a box of "stuff" which I recently purchased at auction.

I am posting up scans of the two sets which I have found. I hope they are complete.

First set is a set of twelve imperforate Mini sheets of various designs and a two line inscription: "Europa / 15 September 1961":

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Second set is a set of twelve stamps overprinted with an inscription: "ROCKETS TOWARDS PEACE ACHIEVEMENT" surrounding an overprinted rocket:

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These are the same designs as on the Mini Sheets with the addition of the overprint.

I like them, so they'll go into the Cinderella stock book.

Cheers,

Carmel

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