Please help Identify this "S.A.G." inscribed Cinderella stamp

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Please help Identify this "S.A.G." inscribed Cinderella stamp

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Hi,

I've found this Cinderella in a stock book with a bunch of stamps from India. Of course it could have been placed there by mistake:

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It seems to be related to the Catholic church, and shows a priest with a halo and a child with a halo and the initials S.H.G. below.

Any information would be appreciated.

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Re: Help Identify this S.H.G. Cinderella

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Maybe S.A.G.?

Saint Anthony something?
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Re: Help Identify this S.H.G. Cinderella

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Hi,
Thanks for your replies.
I've googled S.A.G. and found many references to Saint Anthony Guide. For instance (http://saintanthonylostandfound.blogspot.co.il/2013/11/sag-saint-anthony-guide.html):

"The origin of the initials "S.A.G." and why they are often marked on envelopes is this:
The initials S.A.G. stand for "Saint Anthony Guide". This prayer dates to an incident in July, 1729, in Spain. A merchant's wife, in need of support from her husband on business in Peru, placed a letter to him in the sleeve of St. Anthony's statue in her parish church, trusting he would somehow deliver it. Returning to the statue the next day, she found not her own letter but one from her husband, Don Antonio. Lodged in the sleeve was a heavy pouch containing 300 pesos, also sent by him. The merchant advised his wife that a letter from her had been delivered "by a friar of the Order of St. Francis." Don Antonio was sending his reply through the same friar. To this day, the merchant's letter is preserved in the Franciscan Monastery in Oviedo.

This story led to the custom of placing "S.A.G." on mail and praying that St. Anthony give it safe passage. This practice has became popular, whereby people place mail under the protection of St. Anthony, trusting it will get safely to it's proper destination."

Could this be a Cinderella intended for such a purpose?

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Re: Help Identify this S.H.G. Cinderella

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Similar cinderellas have been mentioned several times on Stampboards. After a quick search I found the following:
Londonbus1 wrote:
Doug, you are right........but I am not wrong !!!
Let me explain.
S.A.G. does indeed stand for St Anthony's Guild.
The Stamps [Seals] themselves are known as Guide seals...St.Anthony Guide Seals.
Upon reflection, however, I do not think there is a connection between these and the stamps in Greg's original post [in this topic]
Here is a scan of the booklet cover.

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...and the back with a short history of the origins of S.A.G. [Hey Doug ! Look at the heading at the top of the back cover !!!!]

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The following stamp pane is not from the booklet but are similar in design. They are from another booklet the cover of which I do not have.

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Will look to see if I have anymore.
Londonbus1......Up to the ceiling in seals.
https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=1851


Other threads which mention these:
https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=21057
https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=221&start=250#p3045560
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Re: Help Identify this S.A.G. Cinderella

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Hi,

Here are some additional images of this series which
I've found on the internet:

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I don't recall any information about them, so
if anyone has any information feel free to respond.

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Identify "SAG" religious label on 1942 cover USA to GB?

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An enigmatic cover which appears to have been reused after the application of a Duke of Gloucester Red Cross Fund reuse label, most of which seems to have been removed from the front to reveal the original addressee. The labels could have been applied before either use.

Any thoughts or suggestions on the labels?

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Re: Identify "SAG" religious label on 1942 cover USA to GB?

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Hi, Cullen,

A board search for "SAG Cinderella" takes you straight to this thread:

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=77345

The board search facilities have greatly improved since the software upgrade at the weekend, so if you've found it wanting in the past, now would be a good time to check it out afresh. :idea:

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Re: Identify "SAG" religious label on 1942 cover USA to GB?

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Hi,

The custom to use the initials S.A.G. on mail did not stop at Cinderellas.

Here is a WWII cover sent by serviceman in the Royal Navy.

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The cover is not franked with a stamp and is cancelled with a two line "POST / OFFICE" within circular border hand stamp with an additional two line inscription "MARITIME / MAIL"

This type of cancel does not have a date.

The cover was signed by the sender and also was examined by the censor and was sealed with a
OPENED BY EXAMINER 9254 censor tape.

The back of the cover relates to this thread, as the sender had written the initials S.A.G. on the left part of the flap.

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carmel wrote:
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Hi,

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The cover is not franked with a stamp and is cancelled with a two line "POST / OFFICE" within circular border hand stamp with an additional two line inscription "MARITIME / MAIL"
This type of cancel does not have a date.

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The POST OFFICE MARITIME MAIL is Robertson type N48 single machine mark of London, recorded used in both red and black ink from 1942 to 1961 but it was mainly used during the wartime quite extensively, mostly on naval mail.

Here is an example of Robertson type N48 mark used in 1942 on an Indian cover to Okehampton, England, sent from Indian FPO 103 in Tehran, Iran, with Proud type D1 datestamp dt. September 31,1942 of FPO 103 and faint blue Daynes type N100 naval censor mark with the signature of the censor.
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The stationery is Daynes type RNB2 Br. Royal Navy honor envelope (Form No. S 1324) which is also recorded used by Indian Navy personnels during WW2.

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Re: Identify "SAG" religious label on 1942 cover USA to GB?

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Hi Joy,

It took me a while, as I've had to take a break from posting until a couple of days ago.

Thanks. As usual, lots of highly detailed information.

My conclusion is that I need to purchase a lot of reference books ...

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Re: Identify "SAG" religious label on 1942 cover USA to GB?

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carmel wrote:
05 Jun 2020 02:19
Hi,

The custom to use the initials S.A.G. on mail did not stop at Cinderellas.

Here is a WWII cover sent by serviceman in the Royal Navy.


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...

The back of the cover relates to this thread, as the sender had written the initials S.A.G. on the left part of the flap.


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Cheers,

Carmel
S.A.G. is not on the flap but partially on the flap and partially on the cover. Such markings have been used to show that no-one has steamed the flap open to access the content without permission. If it were opened, the alignment would likely be wrong after resealing the flap.

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