Is Prinz watermark fluid safe for your health?

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Is Prinz watermark fluid safe for your health?

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I've been using that a lot, so I'm wondering if I should use a safer one, not for the stamps, but for my health. Clarity? Ronsonol? G&K?

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Hi Niosurfer,

If you just use it for stamps, and don't inhale it, drink it, or rub it on your skin - you should be fine. Just remember that it is inflammable!

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Use in a well-ventilated room should be explicitly added to Ben's list.

And if you are a smoker, don't smoke whilst using it, as it may cause a chemical reaction which creates toxic fumes.
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Bennich wrote:
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Hi Niosurfer,

If you just use it for stamps, and don't inhale it, drink it, or rub it on your skin - you should be fine. Just remember that it is inflammable!

Cheers, Ben
Hi Ben, but it evaporates quickly and I can smell it. At least it does not have benzene, right?

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If you are worried about your health, invest in a Safe Signascope
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niosurfer wrote:
01 Aug 2020 01:20
Bennich wrote:
31 Jul 2020 16:43
Hi Niosurfer,

If you just use it for stamps, and don't inhale it, drink it, or rub it on your skin - you should be fine. Just remember that it is inflammable!

Cheers, Ben
Hi Ben, but it evaporates quickly and I can smell it. At least it does not have benzene, right?

I dont think anything today has benzene... its banned as far as i know.

They all evaporate quickly, thats the whole point.
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Hi Niosurfer,

Well I can't actually find the chemical formula, but it is described as 'supersafe' and 'non-toxic', and for sure it isn't benzene that you put in your car. It probably is a refined sort of petrol, similar to Ronsonol which you put in cigarette lighters (cheaper and also works for watermarks).

Yes it has a smell, not unpleasant, and yes it does evaporate VERY quickly. As long as you don't actually inhale it and you have ample ventilation I doubt you will come to harm. Of course, if you have some underlying medical condition you should take further advice. I'm not a doctor.

You can invest in a Signoscope, but nothing is 100% effective. I usually leave difficult watermarks to fluid in the end as the 'last resort test' - then you don't use too much of this ludicrously expensive stuff.

All best, Ben

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Honestly, I don't understand some of the problems and concerns members have with certain products.

Their all petro-chemical products, they all have an inherent danger if you just sit their for hours breathing the stuff in. And if someone is that concerned then don't use it. At the very least do people actually read and follow what the warning labels say?

For the 1 in a 100 stamps that I can't see the watermark just using my eyes, and I usually use a signoscope, I use only a little, do a batch at a time in a ventilated room and spend no more than 2 or 3 minutes doing it.

It only takes a few DROPS of the stuff to see a watermark and its gone in about 15 seconds. Why you'd want a labratory plastic squirt container to flood wash a stamp is beyond me.

If you use lighter fluid, then it's cheap as chips.

I believe the word "supersafe" is used to refer to damage to your stamps, not your lungs.
And I don't know what they mean by "non-toxic", unless they mean "as long as you follow the safety instructions".
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Having scoured the net trying to find English instructions to no avail and then trying the locate the MSDS also without luck, I find it surprising that a product could be sold without instructions in the language of the country it's sold into and no link given to (in Australia- the mandatory safety data sheet for volatile liquid chemicals), otherwise how would someone proceed if "junior" happened to swallow some?

Having looked at the Prinz website - "super safe" means safe for your stamps and they offer no details about any danger with watermark fluid.
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MrSamoa wrote:
01 Aug 2020 01:47

If you are worried about your health, invest in a Safe Signascope

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If you are worried about your WEALTH and not Health, you can certainly use those bricks!!

A $400 useless toy in my experience, and that is what most feel, I think you'll find.

For $5 this below is all anyone needs really.

I use it exclusively.

Those hyped up toys that cost the price of the 5/- Bridge, do not work near as well IMHO.

Better for watermarks than any $400 toy!
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If you don’t bathe in it or use it as a gin substitute in your cocktails, you’ll be fine, I’m sure! :mrgreen:

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Is there an advantage/disadvantage in using shellite rather than ronsonol?

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warm wrote:
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Is there an advantage/disadvantage in using shellite rather than ronsonol?
Probably a dollar. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Shellite is better for removing modern peel and sticks many have said.
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I use lighter fluid myself and always make sure I’m doing so with the window open and a fan running to keep the area well ventilated.
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The cynic in me says that all these "accessories" are overpriced enhancements of the very simple tools stamp collectors have been using for years, often with no performance improvement at all.

Watermark Detector - no improvement over a Morley Bright. (Less, in fact, if you need to do stamps on cover)
Perf Detector - laughable, against the simplicity and ease of use of an Instanta gauge.
Watermark Fluid - well, that's just Ronsanol in overpriced packaging.

For example, today on eBay:
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£17.95 for 250ml.
Instructions and Safety Data hidden in plain sight on the can .....

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So its clearly an aliphatic-hydrocarbon, as is Ronsonol (and Shellite, for that matter).
Basically a top end distillate hydrocarbon (with a Benzene content less that 0.1%).

(Technically, they should not be selling anything with "a cross inside a square" hazard warning, as that's an obsolete symbol, replaced by "a person with a chest star" to indicate respiratory issues. They had 12 months to comply on crossover, but I guess this isn't fast moving stock :lol: )

The MSDS sheet for Ronsonol gives you more details on the risks
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and you could use the MSDS sheet for Shellite, to check for any symptoms to look out for ....
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Use well ventilated, no smoking, keep top on bottle when not in use, keep well away from kids (strict supervision only). NEVER re-house the fluid into a container that does not have a child proof cap on it.

Lighter fuel costs us £1 per 100ml, so their re-purposing is netting them good margin.

(Don't get me started on stamp lifting solutions :) ).

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ViccyVFU wrote:
06 Aug 2020 21:27

(Don't get me started on stamp lifting solutions :) ).
Thank you

Please continue … … …

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I suspect he means that a $1 artist brush and a bowl of soapy water, works better and faster and CHEAPER!

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