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Trying to ID cover sent to Aust Forces in WWII+listings?

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Can anyone help with this cover, specifically.

and in general catalog listings for Australian forces in WWII and also censor listings?

thanks very much!



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Re: Trying to ID cover sent to Aust Forces in WWII+listings?

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As with US Forces, there were 1000s of Oz military postings globally during WW2, and very thick books are needed to ID them all.

We have a 1800 post thread on Censor markings here -

https://stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=8120&start=1800

As you have not bothered to tell us, or show close up DATE of cds, no-one can assist.

A 5 second google search gives you this -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2/8th_Field_Regiment_(Australia)

The 2/8th Field Regiment was an Australian Army field artillery regiment that was raised for service during the Second World War as part of the all-volunteer Second Australian Imperial Force.

Composed mainly of soldiers from the states of Victoria and Tasmania, the regiment was one of three field artillery regiments that were assigned to the Australian 9th Division during the war, and during its war service it saw action in North Africa in 1941–42.

It was heavily involved in the First and Second Battles of El Alamein between July and November 1942 before returning to Australian in 1943, as the Australian government rebalanced its land forces to face the threat in the Pacific.

Nevertheless, the regiment did not see action again until mid-1945 when it was committed to the brief Borneo campaign. It was disbanded in early 1946 at the conclusion of hostilities.



10 seconds more googling gives you his book -

http://www.2nd8thaustfieldregtassoc.org.au/history.html


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And 10 seconds more on google gives you this -

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Re: Trying to ID cover sent to Aust Forces in WWII+listings?

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I know Italian (and somewhat German) fieldpost better than any others in the WW2, but some basics are always the same.

The general rule in analysis of any military correspondence is: date is location. You have to have the exact date to the day, so you can tell where the unit was. As a consequence, military correspondence sent from the field post offices are easier to analyze than incoming mail.

In your case, the date shows when the letter was mailed from Tasmania. I can't read more that 1942 at the picture. It may be fair to say the recipient was located somewhere in North Africa when he received the letter. Someone more knowledgeable may be able to add more information.

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MarkI, this is a nice little cover you have shown us.

There are plenty of clues on it. First, the man's army number TX1776: numbers starting with "TX" mean the man enlisted in Tasmania (not Texas :) ), usually meaning he hailed from there. The letter was posted from Tasmania so that fits. Other numbers read: VX__ (Victoria), QX__ (Queensland), NX__ (New South Wales) etc.

The 2/8th Field Regiment was in North Africa as others have noted. So that fits. Generally, those at home did not know the exact location where their loved one was serving, for obvious reasons. The date is unclear but the cover looks to be about 1942. 2 1/2d was the basic surface letter rate.

The recipient was Paul B. Edwards who lived in Devonport, Tasmania. The letter was sent from Burnie, which is a nearby town so that fits as well.

Who was Paul Edwards? He is no longer with us: Paul Bathurst Edwards b. 10 Oct 1915 Burnie, Tasmania, Australia d. 2005. He was a well-known philatelist who wrote numerous postal history articles for Philately from Australia in the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s. He was a co-author of Tasmania: Postal History and Postal Markings Vol.2, published by the Royal Philatelic Society of Victoria in 1975:

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Glen mentioned his self-published manuscript above. As a limited edition it would probably be hard to get hold of. The National Archives holds various military personnel files, but unfortunately in this case they are not yet digitised. His next of kin was his wife. Someone else sent your letter:

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As for the censor tape and handstamp, this was applied in Australia. That is not really my cup of tea, but there are numerous journal articles explaining what tape and markings was used where, and when. Almost certainly the "6/1" tape and markings were used in Tasmania as the State was called the '6th Military District' for internal army purposes:

T – 6th Military District (Tasmania)

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Well I cant thank all the repliers enough, I have learned a lot and I appreciate your help!

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minor Edit: Paul Edwards probably lived in Burnie when enlisting, so the cover is sent from his home town.

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MarkI,

The 6/1 label is a type recorded as being used at the civil censor office at Launceston, Tasmania, between September 1941 and April 1945.

A concession rate of 1d applied when posting surface letters to members of the Australian forces so postage on your cover has been overpaid, for some reason, by 1½d.

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He was discharged with the rank of captain:

EDWARDS, PAUL BATHURST
Service Australian Army
Service Number TX1776
Date of Birth 10 Oct 1915
Place of Birth BURNIE, TAS
Date of Enlistment 01 Jun 1940
Locality on Enlistment ULVERSTONE, TAS
Place of Enlistment BRIGHTON, TAS
Next of Kin EDWARDS, KATE
Date of Discharge 03 Dec 1945
Rank Captain
Posting at Discharge 2/8 FIELD REGIMENT

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It looks like the date stamp might be April 1942 if so the regiment would have been in Syria fighting the Vichy French. I just had a quick look at the regiment's field diary for that month and Lt PB Edwards was there and listed as a "Survey O."

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Temora22 wrote:
15 Oct 2021 14:46
A concession rate of 1d applied when posting surface letters to members of the Australian forces so postage on your cover has been overpaid, for some reason, by 1½d.


2½d standard surface letter rate.

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One cover tells quite a story !
Thank you all for your research
I learned quite a bit !
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