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NWPI can anyone help with number of 1d and 2½d Formes

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I'm trying to find the number of 1d and 2½d formes with selvedge, delivered to New Guinea - also which panes.

Details would be much appreciated.

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336 blocks of 30 of the 1d Geo. V & 272 of the 2½d Roo.

Which ones? Good luck. I've not heard of an answer on this issue. Large multiples of the 1d are not common while the 2½d are more frequently seen.
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Here's an excerpt from Purves' monograph:
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Mine is a working copy hence all the written notations.
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Thanks for the quick response Kaiinnikanada.

I've noticed that in the next Prestige sale there are "no monogram" 1d forms, do you know if all the forms with salvage are no momogrames or there CA and JBC monogrames?.
Prestige also have the 2½d monogrames has anyone seen "no monograme" forms.
There may be collectors out there that may be able to show their forms or marginal blocks etc.

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gdmcon:

I'll need to do some checking of my collection to respond to your query regarding the 1d Geo V panes that were overprinted.

I'll also search some of the literature (PPS, BSAP & ACCCNSW).

In my collection are (1d from the First Setting):

1. block of 25 (with selvedge) - 7.1-5...25-9
2. irregular block of 14 (with selvedge) - 8.4-6...29-30
3. block of 30 (no selvedge - ex Friedman) - 8.31-60
4. vertical strip of 5 (with selvedge) - 7.10...28
5. 2 vertical strips of 3 (type a,b c - no selvedge) - 7.13,19 & 25

several singles from Panes 3, 4 & 6.

I'll scan and load these including those listed below over next several days.

There are 10 various blocks of the 2½d with selvedge attached including a 'JBC' and 'CA' monogram blocks.
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Here are a couple of First Setting 1d multiples. The first one is 7.4,10,16,22 & 28 and the second one is 8.4-6, 10-12, 16-18, 22-4 & 29-30.
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Here's another First Setting 1d multiple, this time from 7.31-5, 37-41, 43-7, 49-53 & 55-59.
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Here's another First Setting multiple but doesn't have the attached selvedge. It's from 8.31-60. Can anyone verify that it is, indeed, from the First? Explain.

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Hi,

I'm a little confused how does Purves know that there were 84 sheets of 120 when stamps were delivered in formes of 30 ?
From your collection and what I can see in past auctions at Prestige and Millenium I can see only Panes 3, 4, 6, 7 and 8.
All so far appear to confirm "no monogram" printings.

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gdmcon wrote:Hi,
I'm a little confused how does Purves know that there were 84 sheets of 120 when stamps were delivered in formes of 30 ?
Post offices were normally issued sheets of 120 'cept for the initial printings. The Government Printer received stock in multiples of 120. All accounting was in that multiple.

You will not see monograms of the 1d since they were not inserted until after the First Setting of NWPI was released.

Page 22 of Purves' monograph - published numbers from Australian Stamp Journal etc. I believe there are also the Government Printer's records. These have all been verified by various writers.
gdmcon wrote: From your collection and what I can see in past auctions at Prestige and Millenium I can see only Panes 3, 4, 6, 7 and 8.
All so far appear to confirm "no monogram" printings.


There might be examples from Panes 1 & 2 around. During the early days of these issues the plates didn't have significant flaws save for the Die 2. I've never seen a Die 2 First Setting stamp - certainly none in my collection. If Panes 3 & 4 exist then it's likely 1 & 2 would have been overprinted at the same time. The early printings of the 1d were 480-on (when the NWPI overprinting was done) and only later did they resort to 240-on.

I have a single copy (used) of 5.60 First Setting.
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gdcon,

Hope you haven't viewed Prestige's latest auction.

The "Five Settings" collection of 150 blocks supposedly has 3 blocks of the First Setting 1d.

One has the selvedge so it's guaranteed to be the correct setting.

...but lots 646 & 647 are not. They're from the common Fourth Setting. Someone has misled the collector and another one might overpay for the two assuming they would be looking for the scarcer setting.

Not sure if you looked at them since they're reputed to be from Pane 1 and you mentioned not having seen any from that pane.

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Here are all my 2½d First Setting multiples; note most are plate 2 'cept for the two that are not plated:
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2L4-6, 10-2
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2L32-4,38-40,44-46,50-2,56-8
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2L37,43,49,55
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2L53-4, 59-60
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2R2, 8, 14
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2R2-6, 8-12
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2R33-6
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2R55-60
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Unknown: 3-4, 9-10, 15-6, 21-2, 27-8
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Unknown: 43, 49, 55
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Nice scans and thanks for the heads up .
It appears that so far 1st settings all come with selvage if in large blocks.

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gdmcon wrote:Nice scans and thanks for the heads up .
It appears that so far 1st settings all come with selvage if in large blocks.
That's not what's been posted here. I'm sure I posted a block of the 1d where the selvedge had been removed. Perhaps not all were issued with margins.

You must get a copy of Purves' NWPI monograph to learn how to differentiate between First and Third Settings.
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Hi Kainnikanada

It's been many years since any one has added to this post I was wondering if in the years you have uncovered any top plate 2½d examples

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