Is this GB Machin Stamp Booklet Error rare?

Stampboards has 1000s of regular readers who WILL take the time to help out even with the most basic question. If you are new to stamps - or taking up the hobby after a long break, there is a lot to learn. PLEASE do not be shy in asking the simplest of questions .. members here will be delighted to help you with the answers!

Moderator: Volunteer Moderator Team

Post Reply
MarkyMark
Green Star Less Than 10 Posts Member
Green Star Less Than 10 Posts Member
Posts: 8
Joined: 07 Nov 2020 00:02
Location: Thetford, Norfolk, England

Is this GB Machin Stamp Booklet Error rare?

Post by MarkyMark »

Hello,

This is my first time posting here and I am just getting back into stamp collecting so hopefully this makes sense and someone with more knowledge on this can help me.

Note all references are from the Stanley Gibbons GB Concise Stamp Catalogue 2012.

I have a 50p folded stamp booklet FB59 but inside it has a £1 pane of stamps, so instead of the expected pane X925m it has pane X927l.

Pictures to follow when I work out how to take one I can upload.

As the subject states, is this something that is a rare find?

I did some more checks on the two panes and it looks like they were both released in booklets on the same day, the 10 Sept 1991, so I am wondering if someone at the printers mixed the two up by mistake.

Kind regards,
Mark
Last edited by MarkyMark on 07 Nov 2020 09:06, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
norvic
WINNER! Stampboards Poster Of The Month
WINNER! Stampboards Poster Of The Month
Posts: 22397
Joined: 25 Feb 2008 21:51
Location: Norfolk, England
Contact:

Re: Stamp Booklet Error

Post by norvic »

Oh you're making so many mistakes here, Mark - go back to your welcome email, and read all the rules, among which is

All new threads must include a picture

All references to catalogue numbers must say which catalogue (and which country)

All questions in this folder must be questions - in the subject line.

As a fellow resident of Norfolk I invite you to put this right, even if you can;t edit the original post which you can do for an hour.

Then you might get answers: I know what you are talking about and can check tomorrow.
Ian Billings - Norvic Philatelics - Remember almost everything I picture is available, unless otherwise stated or copied from elsewhere, as I reduce a roomful of 'stuff' - just ask. GB stamps info: https://blog.norphil.co.uk, NPhilatelics on twitter, www norphil.co.uk, shop.norphil.co.uk for our e-commerce site

MarkyMark
Green Star Less Than 10 Posts Member
Green Star Less Than 10 Posts Member
Posts: 8
Joined: 07 Nov 2020 00:02
Location: Thetford, Norfolk, England

Re: Stamp Booklet Error

Post by MarkyMark »

Hello fellow resident of Norfolk.

Wow I missed a few rules there, most of the ones pointed out should be sorted now, images are a bit harder to fix but I will be more prepared next time, hopefully someone will give me a break on that for my first post.

MarkyMark
Green Star Less Than 10 Posts Member
Green Star Less Than 10 Posts Member
Posts: 8
Joined: 07 Nov 2020 00:02
Location: Thetford, Norfolk, England

Re: Is this Stamp Booklet Error rare?

Post by MarkyMark »

Here is the best picture I can do for now (no access to a scanner at this time).

On the left is the standard FB59 (see original post for source of references) and on the right is the same booklet with the £1 pane.
FB59-1Pound.jpg

User avatar
norvic
WINNER! Stampboards Poster Of The Month
WINNER! Stampboards Poster Of The Month
Posts: 22397
Joined: 25 Feb 2008 21:51
Location: Norfolk, England
Contact:

Re: Is this Stamp Booklet Error rare?

Post by norvic »

Please show the covers as well
Ian Billings - Norvic Philatelics - Remember almost everything I picture is available, unless otherwise stated or copied from elsewhere, as I reduce a roomful of 'stuff' - just ask. GB stamps info: https://blog.norphil.co.uk, NPhilatelics on twitter, www norphil.co.uk, shop.norphil.co.uk for our e-commerce site

MarkyMark
Green Star Less Than 10 Posts Member
Green Star Less Than 10 Posts Member
Posts: 8
Joined: 07 Nov 2020 00:02
Location: Thetford, Norfolk, England

Is this GB Machin Stamp Booklet Error rare?

Post by MarkyMark »

Here is an image of the front covers.
IMG_20201107_0001.jpg

User avatar
norvic
WINNER! Stampboards Poster Of The Month
WINNER! Stampboards Poster Of The Month
Posts: 22397
Joined: 25 Feb 2008 21:51
Location: Norfolk, England
Contact:

Re: Is this GB Machin Stamp Booklet Error rare?

Post by norvic »

Well, you are correct in your statements and deductions, and the error isn't mentioned in the 2020 COncise - you might consider getting one as much has changed, not least all the U numbers.

However - it is possible to fake this kind of error. True it would be difficult without leaving a trace of the act, making the pane damp to remove it would almost certainly leave some evidence on the (very absorbent compared with the stamp) cover card. My Stoneham catalogue is still packed - I'll put a note on the thread for the new one to see if anybody can check this for you.
https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=92514
Ian Billings - Norvic Philatelics - Remember almost everything I picture is available, unless otherwise stated or copied from elsewhere, as I reduce a roomful of 'stuff' - just ask. GB stamps info: https://blog.norphil.co.uk, NPhilatelics on twitter, www norphil.co.uk, shop.norphil.co.uk for our e-commerce site

MarkyMark
Green Star Less Than 10 Posts Member
Green Star Less Than 10 Posts Member
Posts: 8
Joined: 07 Nov 2020 00:02
Location: Thetford, Norfolk, England

Re: Is this GB Machin Stamp Booklet Error rare?

Post by MarkyMark »

Thank you for that, I had not heard of the Stoneham catalogue before but, after a brief look, it appears like a great resource which I am sure I will be referring to a lot going forward.

Just a note on the condition, I cannot see anything odd by eye around the join between the booklet and the stamps.

It would seem an odd thing to fake but I am sure odder things have faked in the past. I will say this was not sold to me as an oddity with a premium price, but I know this is not a reliable guide for the validity or not of the item.

I look forward to hearing what they discover or any more views on this.

MarkyMark
Green Star Less Than 10 Posts Member
Green Star Less Than 10 Posts Member
Posts: 8
Joined: 07 Nov 2020 00:02
Location: Thetford, Norfolk, England

Re: Is this GB Machin Stamp Booklet Error rare?

Post by MarkyMark »

There has not been too much response so far to this so it is either a rare one of kind booklet no one has seen before or, much more likely, a fake.

I was thinking about what you said norvic, where you would expect it to have left a mark, and I remembered when I had taken off some panes in the past I had gotten some tiny creases on the glued down tab part so I had a close look around that part using a light to check the shine on the surface and it definitely doesn't look as clean as I would expect it to be especially when compared to one with the correct pane.
FB59-tab.jpg


I am now thinking now it is much more likely someone has patched this together in the past for some reason, but it has been done with some care if that is case. Maybe they were trying to trick someone to pay more for an oddity,

User avatar
norvic
WINNER! Stampboards Poster Of The Month
WINNER! Stampboards Poster Of The Month
Posts: 22397
Joined: 25 Feb 2008 21:51
Location: Norfolk, England
Contact:

Re: Is this GB Machin Stamp Booklet Error rare?

Post by norvic »

I was happy for it to be a genuine error - although surprising that nobody else had found one, they don't normally come in 'ones' !

But there does seem to be a surplus of additional glue, much as you would get on the face of a stamp that had been soaked and added to a different envelope. (It having been placed on the first envelope in error of course.)

I'm further inclined to my view that it is probably fabricated for gain.
Ian Billings - Norvic Philatelics - Remember almost everything I picture is available, unless otherwise stated or copied from elsewhere, as I reduce a roomful of 'stuff' - just ask. GB stamps info: https://blog.norphil.co.uk, NPhilatelics on twitter, www norphil.co.uk, shop.norphil.co.uk for our e-commerce site

MarkyMark
Green Star Less Than 10 Posts Member
Green Star Less Than 10 Posts Member
Posts: 8
Joined: 07 Nov 2020 00:02
Location: Thetford, Norfolk, England

Re: Is this GB Machin Stamp Booklet Error rare?

Post by MarkyMark »

Yes it is odd one, at least I have a pound of stamps if nothing else.

The booklet itself looks pristine so maybe it was a mock up by someone in Royal Mail who had access to a blank book and a pane of stamps, they just used the wrong one.

Hopefully when all these Covid restrictions are eased I can get to a stamp meetup somewhere local and get some more specialised eyes to give it a good look over.

Thank you for your input on this.

User avatar
Tom-Crewe
Senior Member Advanced Posting Guru
Senior Member Advanced Posting Guru
Posts: 200
Joined: 22 Feb 2020 06:02
Location: Crewe, Cheshire, UK

Re: Is this GB Machin Stamp Booklet Error rare?

Post by Tom-Crewe »

I have been looking into the booklet stamps with straight cut/imperf's
If you look at this info and confirm please. From Stanley Gibbon Concise Catalogue

4 x 24p and 2 x 2p = panes X927l (photogravure PCP) and X1050l (lithography PCP)

X927l in Booklet's FH23 - 27 (first issued 10/9/91)
X1050l in Booklet's FH28 - 30 (first issued 9/2/93)

User avatar
norvic
WINNER! Stampboards Poster Of The Month
WINNER! Stampboards Poster Of The Month
Posts: 22397
Joined: 25 Feb 2008 21:51
Location: Norfolk, England
Contact:

Re: Is this GB Machin Stamp Booklet Error rare?

Post by norvic »

Tom-Crewe wrote:
02 Jul 2021 23:28
I have been looking into the booklet stamps with straight cut/imperf's
If you look at this info and confirm please. From Stanley Gibbon Concise Catalogue

4 x 24p and 2 x 2p = panes X927l (photogravure PCP) and X1050l (lithography PCP)

X927l in Booklet's FH23 - 27 (first issued 10/9/91)
X1050l in Booklet's FH28 - 30 (first issued 9/2/93)
You may be right or wrong, I’ve no catalogue here but what makes this the right thread for that question?
Ian Billings - Norvic Philatelics - Remember almost everything I picture is available, unless otherwise stated or copied from elsewhere, as I reduce a roomful of 'stuff' - just ask. GB stamps info: https://blog.norphil.co.uk, NPhilatelics on twitter, www norphil.co.uk, shop.norphil.co.uk for our e-commerce site

Post Reply

Return to “NO question is too basic or silly - you ask - we WILL help you with it!”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: chipg and 2 guests