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What's the best catalog (in English) for old German states?

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By "best" I'm thinking less about accurate current catalog values and more about depth and breadth of coverage of variations, forgeries, postmarks, etc., for this particular area -- so potentially an older volume might offer more than a newer volume that has culled some material to include other collecting areas.

Price is also a factor, though not the only one. (An older catalog would also have the advantage of being more affordable in a dog-eared copy!)

And if you have any recommendations about the best online resources for information on forgeries of German states stamps, I'd appreciate those, too. I've looked at The Spud Papers for Lübeck, for example -- http://stampforgeries.com/forged-stamps-of-lubeck-spud-paper -- and have been able to spot a few likely forgeries in online auctions, but the reference images on the site are really small.

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Re: What's the best catalog (in English) for old German states?

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Some information I'm hoping to find in a good catalog, for example, is a warning about which particular stamps are susceptible to damage from water or watermark fluid, as I have quite a few hinged stamps from this era that are stuck together (see my avatar), as well as others for which I need to check the watermark in order to identify.

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Re: What's the best catalog (in English) for old German states?

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In another thread johnrcrow recommended this:

https://www.philatelicly.com/michel-catalog-german-reich/

It has a good chance to be the best in English. What you might like to do is to get the German language catalogue (Germany Specialized part I) with it, because it is likely to have additional information missing from the English language edition.

However, the best information most likely is in German language catalogues. In German there are much more options.

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Re: What's the best catalog (in English) for old German states?

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Thanks, kuikka. But the catalog you linked to says this in the description: "The first edition of the Michel Catalog German Reich in English covers in detail the German stamps from 1872 to 1945." Actually, it's in the title of the catalog: German Reich.

I'm sure my options are much better in the German language! I was just hoping there might be good resources in English, too....

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My fault (not johnrcrow's who recommended that catalogue for Germany in another thread). I took it to be this without making sure:

https://www.schaubek.de/MICHEL-Germany-specialised-catalogue-2016-Vol-I-in-English-language

And when I am trying to avoid same mistake as before, I have to admit that even this one seems to miss the German states :oops: (which the German language edition includes). If that is really the case, you must relay on secondary sources.

Although I have not seen it myself, this may be the best option available:

https://www.philatelicly.com/stanley-gibbons-germany-stamp-catalogue-12th-edition/

Not that I would expect SG Germany to be a bad choice. Just that I don't expect it to get anywhere close to Michel Germany Specialized. Michel uses a 2 volume catalogue to cover the same as this SG 1 volume catalogue.

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I did recommend the English version, in fact to the same c--s-s-s in another thread for the Reich era.

I could also indicate getting the Michel in German for the states.

If German is a problem (though it is not impossible to get good information from the German only) then one could scan the pages of interest, make a .pdf file and then use a translation program to turn the German to English.

chaulkdust (Hi Ron) in Stampboards could give better information on the translation process as he is ´doing`this for a project we are hatching concerning the BERLIN NOTOPFER ´fleas` where there are literally thousands of pages concerning studies on these beasts in German.

Eventually we will post our reflections on the fleas as a joint thread.

May also be useful to trawl Stampboards for relevant German State information.

Does anyone know the usefulness of the following catalogue? Maybe OK?

Scott 2018 Specialized Classic of Stamps & Covers 1840-1940.

Seems to have information on Bremen, Brunswick, Hamburg, Hanover, Lubeck, Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Mechlenburg-Strelitz, Oldenburg, Prussia, Saxony, Schleswig-Holstein, Thurn and Taxis, Wurttemberg, North German Confederation).

For sale e.g. through Amazon

I have the latest Stanley Gibbons Germany and this is not too bad as a overview but not as specialised of course as the German version Michel.



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Thank you, both.

If anyone has the Scott or the Stanley Gibbons... do they have warnings about which stamps are susceptible to water damage? Despite being very new to collecting this area (and collecting in general), I think that's the level of detail I need. I appreciate that the Michel Germany specialized 2016 English version does have this information -- it just doesn't cover pre-Reich!

I've found an older edition of the Michel Germany Specialized v. 1 in German available for $15, so it may make the most sense to give that a try with some very targeted translation. (While I don't think mastering German is in the cards for me, surely one should strive to be able to say "pale brownish olive-green" or "corner stamp with sheet margins attached" in as many languages as possible.)

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Most German stamps are water resistant.

Watermark fluid should also be OK for most.

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Regarding Scott Classic (1840-1940).

I have the 1995 edition and it is to me a disapointment. It doesn't really seem to give any extra information over regular Scott catalogues. I didn't see there any information on soluble inks. Of course, the newer editions may be better.

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kuikka wrote:
20 Aug 2021 06:51
Regarding Scott Classic (1840-1940).

I have the 1995 edition and it is to me a disapointment. It doesn't really seem to give any extra information over regular Scott catalogues. I didn't see there any information on soluble inks. Of course, the newer editions may be better.
I have the 2021 Scott Classic and Scott has expanded its coverage of specialized listings in the intervening 25 years (the Classic specialized gets quite a bit of new material overall each year).

That being said the gold standard is still Michel Spezial volume I which, with the help of Google translate is navigable even for non German speakers
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Dear Stampboarders,

A related topic to the best catalogue for Old Germany, can anyone tell me if there are any Michel sellers in Australia or New Zealand?

I have just started down a slightly different collecting area, namely German States postal stationery, and see there are 2 Michel catalogues that may be useful.

One is the Postal Stationery Catalogue, which appears to be last published in 2018, and the other is the Michel manual catalog of postage in Germany (or at least that's the Google translate attempt at the title), in German the title is Postgebuhren Handbuch Deutschland (sorry haven't worked how to add the umlaut). This one covers rates and charges over the period 1849 - 2015.

I see they are available from Germany but was wondering if there was a closer source.

Thanks for any help.

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Re: What's the best catalog (in English) for old German states?

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Thanks, all, for your input.

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