Australia KGVI era Definitive Stamp Varieties - 1936-1952

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Re: Australia KGVI Definitives Plate Varieties 1936-1952

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tweak wrote:
tweak wrote: Image

ACSC 204n "Colour flaw in front of breast".

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Even harder to locate visually is the retouch.

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ACSC 204na "Colour flaw in front of breast - retouched".

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I've got a question on this one? I only just started going through my limited Australian stamps a couple of days ago - a bunch of KGV 1 1/2 choc. browns that all seems to be of two types, but I've been staring at a couple of these Kookaburra stamps since this morning..

Is there a difference around the eye for any varieties? The reason I ask is, on one stamp, the white around the eye seems to make a complete circle of the eye.

On the second the pupil seems to break the white at the bottom of the eye.

(Or it could just be that my eyes are dead tired having been up for as long as I have been)
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I'm unaware of any varieties to the eye area. Might be a simple case of variable inking levels, I'll have a look at mine later.
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As with the KGV thread, apologies for not editing additions into place, I'll get the thread tidied up later today.
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Re: Australia KGVI Definitives Plate Varieties 1936-1952

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Chris

Here is a 5/- Coat of Arms with a joined "IV" in FIVE.

I don't know if it is a listed flaw or just an inking issue, what do you think?

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Not listed I'm, afraid. The only listed flaw on this issue is "Re-entry in scrollwork at base".

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I hope this is the right place to post this.

I have a few of these blocks in the green shade. Hoping one day they might be worth something. They were only on sale for about a month with the McCracken imprint before that was replaced by the ‘Authority’ imprint.

I’ve noticed on these two they both have the same ink mark in the same spot – above the ‘R & T’ of Australia in the imprint.

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I’m not sure if it means anything.
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Found the mark on this block as well.

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The blocks with the mark all have pips, though I do have some other blocks with pips that don’t have the mark.
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The Pom wrote:Not listed I'm, afraid. The only listed flaw on this issue is "Re-entry in scrollwork at base".

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Chris,

what does "listed" mean in this context???? Are you referring to a particular handbook or publication???

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Hi Rein,
I'm referring to The Australian Commonwealth Specialists' Catalogue, which is published in a multi-volume series & is generally regarded as one of the best one country catalogues in the world.

The KGVI volume:

http://www.steveirwinstamps.co.uk/australian-commonwealth-sp ... 8813-p.asp

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The Pom wrote:Hi Rein,
I'm referring to The Australian Commonwealth Specialists' Catalogue, which is published in a multi-volume series & is generally regarded as one of the best one country catalogues in the world.

The KGVI volume:

http://www.steveirwinstamps.co.uk/australian-commonwealth-sp ... 8813-p.asp

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Chris,

yeah, that is what I reckoned .. :)

I am still wondering whether to buy this as it obviously is a must for Australia collectors. On the other hand if the emphasis is on plates [Ashes etc.] and not on types of paper it will only partially help me!

I am in to find out whether the Tela papers are McCracken???


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Rein, the ACSC details the types of paper used for each particular issue.
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Lakatoi 4 wrote:Rein, the ACSC details the types of paper used for each particular issue.
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good! But how??? Can you give an example??? Before I transfer Є80 or more ;)

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The paper info in the ACSC is relatively limited. For instance, in the KGVI section it lists ordinary unsurfaced, chalk surfaced, & thin unsurfaced.

The vast majority of KGVI stamps were only printed on one paper type, so only a small amount of opportunity for the specialist. I wouldn't spend Є80 just for this information.

Rein, you said "I am in to find out whether the Tela papers are McCracken"

I've never heard of Tela papers, & there's no mention of these in the ACSC. I Googled Tela, & it seems to be an art paper for oil painting - I can see no mention of it being used for stamps.
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Chris,

sorry, my mistake... mea culpa!

I am so into the Argentina stamp papers that I unconsciously use their simplified terms:

granulado = symmetrical paper mesh [30/20 density]
tela = symmetrical paper mesh [24/22 density]
rayado = asymmetrical paper mesh [30/20 density]

Tela is what Campbell Patterson calls "coarse paper" for NZ stamps! This was used in 1941/1942 due to war circumstances but came back in 1948! I am pretty sure the situation as to stamp papers was similar for Australia!

Do Australian collectors use the term "coarse paper"????

Does it ring a bell!?
The vast majority of KGVI stamps were only printed on one paper type, so only a small amount of opportunity for the specialist.-
This statement is NOT true!! I probably will have to start a new thread to make that clear!

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This is "TELA" or "COARSE PAPER":

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Good Day, I found this amongst a lot from last week's mail. It's damaged, lucky for me it wasn't an expensive lot. Is it a listed flaw, the J in Jubilee? I really should scan all the ones I am not interested in as I have a few :oops:

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Interesting flaw. It's not listed in the ACSC, but there are masses of unlisted flaws on this issue.

If it's constant, something as obvious as that merits a listing, so maybe it's transient?
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Micky,

Can you rescan the entire at a higher resolution (dpi)?

Then clip the area around 'Jubilee' and post. Let's see a clearer posting of the print.

Could it be a re-entry? Or is it just a 'kiss' print?

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Kainnikanada wrote:Micky,

Can you rescan the entire at a higher resolution (dpi)?

Then clip the area around 'Jubilee' and post. Let's see a clearer posting of the print.

Could it be a re-entry? Or is it just a 'kiss' print?

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Here it is at 600dpi.

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And found this one on another stamp.

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Sorry I have tried to clear it up for viewing, doesn't look that great.

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The two different gutter widths used in the printing of the 1d Queen Elizabeth die 1.

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the wider 27-28mm gutter width

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the 23mm gutter width
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tricolours wrote:The two different gutter widths used in the printing of the 1d Queen Elizabeth die 1.

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the wider 27-28mm gutter width

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the 23mm gutter width
Having to do with different ways of perforating!

Vertically vs horizontally moving perforators ....

Both blocks showing the symmetrical paper wire!!!

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I would have thought the extra width in the gutter would be because the stamp images were further apart

Here are the other two imprints from the top plates

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Great thread.

Colour images and comments from contributors are most helpful.

Are there topics such as Australia QEII Pre-Decimal and Decimal Varieties (Definitives and Commemoratives) with similar colour images and comments?

I'm having the Devil's own time trying to see Retouches, Recuts, State I, State II etc. in the black and white diagrams in the 2006 ACSC.

Are there web sites that can help me out?

I can contribute some images in this and other varieties topics in 600dpi or higher in colour as I find them.

Thanks in anticipation.

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New one started bazza4338
No its not the pom has done already here it is I will get on to the next one

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bazza4338 wrote:Great thread.

Colour images and comments from contributors are most helpful.

Are there topics such as Australia QEII Pre-Decimal and Decimal Varieties (Definitives and Commemoratives) with similar colour images and comments?

I'm having the Devil's own time trying to see Retouches, Recuts, State I, State II etc. in the black and white diagrams in the 2006 ACSC.

Are there web sites that can help me out?

I can contribute some images in this and other varieties topics in 600dpi or higher in colour as I find them.

Thanks in anticipation.
Thanks for the positive comments, to answer some of your points:

"Are there topics such as Australia QEII Pre-Decimal and Decimal Varieties (Definitives and Commemoratives) with similar colour images and comments?"

No. I had "KGVI commemoratives" and "QEII Pre decimal Commemoratives" under construction but never got round to launching them.

This was due to a variety of reasons, among which was the surprising lack of user contributions to the threads I had started. With our strong Australian contingent, I had anticipated being able to get these threads reasonably well populated with contributed images - my collection being fairly modest in this respect.

"Are there web sites that can help me out?"

Nothing specific. You get some images on dealer websites, but there is no comprehensive resource.

"I can contribute some images in this and other varieties topics in 600dpi or higher in colour as I find them."

Please do, I will be happy to edit them into the threads as appropriate. I will also try to get round to launching the two threads mentioned above & hopefully we can generate a bit of input.
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GUTTERS wrote:New one started bazza4338

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=49777
I'm way ahead of you there Peter: :)

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Thanks Pom I'll get started on the next one.
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Gutters, just to let you know the state of play:

I have 1952-65 QE II Commems pretty much ready to go, with about 90 different varieties scanned.

I also have the framework of KGVI commems ready to go, though I only have scans of a small number of these - they seem to be hard to come by despite many having modest CV.

1952-65 Defins I've not started on. Again, my personal coverage is patchy.

I'll shift your 1927-36 thread to the Mod archive as it's not required if that's OK with you.

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The Pom wrote:Gutters, just to let you know the state of play:

I have 1952-65 QE II Commems pretty much ready to go, with about 90 different varieties scanned.

I also have the framework of KGVI commems ready to go, though I only have scans of a small number of these - they seem to be hard to come by despite many having modest CV.

1952-65 Defins I've not started on. Again, my personal coverage is patchy.

I'll shift your 1927-36 thread to the Mod archive as it's not required if that's OK with you.
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The two imprint widths of the 1937 Lyrebird,

38mm width.
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42.5mm width.
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*fairbloodygoyouseblokes* I haven't even started on my KGV Penny Reds yet and your messing with my head, again!, with KGV1's.

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Stan wrote:*fairbloodygoyouseblokes* I haven't even started on my KGV Penny Reds yet and your messing with my head, again!, with KGV1's.
But.... when you find one, a heck of a buzz!

All of a sudden, that 1 cent stamp is now worth - maybe - 5 cents!

And, far more importantly, it's all your's!

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1d Queen with flush perforations.

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2d KGVl

Are these flush perfs. ?

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Flush Perforations information from:-

https://predecimal.nf/Early/640on1.htm

(I can't make the image larger to fit the whole page in so you will need to go to the above link)

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ACSC 139 Sturt 1½d Carmine-Red 1930

Is this a Thick Lower Frame or Re-Entry?

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The Pom wrote:1941 ½d Orange Kangaroo Perf 14¾ x 14

ShB L7/5 Weak entry NE corner

ShC R9/3 Weak entry NE corner (Also on No Wmk)

½d Kangaroo perf. 14.75 x 14 Multiple C of A Watermark

179e Weak entry in top right corner

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This is without doubt a *Topsie* subject in as much as it will just grow & grow.
I have only spent about eight hours on this subject, thus far and the finds are so numerous I think it would be a lifetimes work to list them.
I am still struggling with posting images so until I master that I am loath to contribute. If however I have a Eureka moment ...............
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The Pom wrote:1937 2d Red KGVI Die I

ShD R5/5 Weak entry under POSTAGE

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ShD R5/5 Weak entry under POSTAGE - retouched
Please confirm that this is the variety.

ACSC 187g KGVI Die 1 2d Weak entry under "POSTAGE"

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KGVI Die II 2d Scarlet ACSC 188

Two unlisted flaws - are they varieties or something else?

#1: Colour flaw between Inner and Outer Frames under "POST"

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#2: Colour flaw under "PO"

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bazza4338 wrote:ACSC 139 Sturt 1½d Carmine-Red 1930

Is this a Thick Lower Frame or Re-Entry?

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These re-entries can be hard to tell, but are not relevant to this thread as it's specifically for KGVI era. We have the KGV era covered here (With the Sturt re-entries illustrated):

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=31541

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bazza4338 wrote: Please confirm that this is the variety.

ACSC 187g KGVI Die 1 2d Weak entry under "POSTAGE"

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Looks good to me.
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bazza4338 wrote:KGVI Die II 2d Scarlet ACSC 188

Two unlisted flaws - are they varieties or something else?

#1: Colour flaw between Inner and Outer Frames under "POST"

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#2: Colour flaw under "PO"

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Couple of random smears, not listed I'm afraid.
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Thanks Chris

I'll ask the Moderators if they can kindly move the Sturt posting.

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ACSC 197 4d Koala 1938 - 1942 Multiple Crown CofA Perf 13.5 x 14

Colour flaws top right corner and third shading line right hand side

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ACSC 198 4d Koala 1944 - 1955 Multiple Crown CofA Perf. 14.75 x 14

1.. Right top outer frame distorted inwards;
2.. Right inner frame distorted one shading line below foot of last "A" of "AUSTRALIA"
3.. Broken curved segment line right of last "A"

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ACSC 198 4d Koala

Colour flaws in right top white border segment

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ACSC 198 4d Koala

Colour flaw under "G" of "POSTAGE"

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