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That's something else that you Aussies don't have: 600 years of history. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Tell that to the aboriginal population. Of course I will grant you they didn’t call themselves Aussies. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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There is something wrong with accusing poor Cill Dara of having a chip on his shoulder. He is one of the most balanced individuals on the planet. He has chips on both shoulders! (both heavy enough to be logs).
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Ubobo.R.O. wrote:
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gavin-h wrote:
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That's something else that you Aussies don't have: 600 years of history. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: TICK.

Of course, Cill Dara has carried a chip on his shoulder for even longer than that. TICK.
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In an article in today's Financial Times on the shortage of workers in abattoirs and the impact on pig farmers due to Brexit (a high proportion of workers in the food processing industry are EU nationals) - there is a clear reference to government's policy on immigration for lower paid jobs in a quote from Nick Allen, chief executive of the British Meat Processors Association

"He said the government had told companies to pay more and improve working conditions “and then you will get British workers”, but he warned that this would lead to a rise in the cost of food. Wages have increased, with entry-level meat-processing jobs advertised at an annual salary of £18,000 a year ago now offering £22,000, he said.

“That’s got to manifest itself in food prices  . . .  things could be quite expensive at Christmas,” he added"



The idea that the government is going to allow a return to immigration to address labour shortages in low paid jobs is misplaced. The era of cheap food that the UK has followed for decades may be coming to an end, unless trade deals lead to cheaper imports that in turn will bring massive upheaval to UK agriculture.
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gavin-h wrote:
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That's something else that you Aussies don't have: 600 years of history. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Of course, Cill Dara has carried a chip on his shoulder for even longer than that.

Much of that 600 years of history is Baggage and belongs in the dustbin of history. :lol:

Your brand new black, French produced, passports have "Dieu et mon droit" (modern French) on the front......still claiming Kingship of France. :)

There is also the matter of the Irish Harp on the front of the passports.......did you not get the message in 1921? :shock:

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Aren't they planning to plug the gap and keep wages low by making convicted criminals drive lorries on a day release scheme?

If these forced labourers tip off their mates to hi-jack valuable loads, will they get arrested and sent to prison? (again!)

Brexit will find a way!

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27 Aug 2021 19:49
Aren't they planning to plug the gap and keep wages low by making convicted criminals drive lorries on a day release scheme?

If these forced labourers tip off their mates to hi-jack valuable loads, will they get arrested and sent to prison? (again!)

Brexit will find a way!

They are looking at getting prisoners to work in meat processing centres as one way to address labour shortages

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It must be pretty depressing living in an EU country knowing that you have an international reputation for meat processing workers, HGV drivers and pick pockets 😮😮😮

What happened to your fantastic cultural history? I blame the Irish and their warm beer!

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27 Aug 2021 20:15
honza wrote:
27 Aug 2021 19:49
Aren't they planning to plug the gap and keep wages low by making convicted criminals drive lorries on a day release scheme?

If these forced labourers tip off their mates to hi-jack valuable loads, will they get arrested and sent to prison? (again!)

Brexit will find a way!

They are looking at getting prisoners to work in meat processing centres as one way to address labour shortages

There is typical British 'IQ' at work - invite prisoners into meat packing factories dripping with saws, razor sharp knifes and all kinds of highly dangerous weapons. You simply cannot make this crazy stuff up.

What next - send in child sex offenders to man child care centres, as Brits are too lazy to work in there too?

Get some bone lazy British sods off their arses, and off the DOLE, and in there to process your meat and drive some lorries. There is a cool idea. They cannot claim there are no jobs. :!: :!: :!:

Of course they'd rather be Onslow lounging back, watching the telly, puffing a fag, sipping warm beer, and dressing like a slob in subsidised housing, and drawing the dole. The Welfare State must stop now due to BREXIT, or the UK is doomed, so get them to WORK for a change. :!: :!:

Some bone idle Brits can pretend to be Eastern Europeans for a while, and put in a week's WORK for a change. There are MILLIONS cheerfully suckling at Britannia's nipples, and you lot are talking about "no-one here to do unglamorous hard work jobs". Join up a few dots for a change. The Idle Onslow Army will hate it, but it solves all your alleged issues re ''no lorry drivers and meat workers'' etc. :twisted:

''entry-level meat-processing jobs advertised at an annual salary of £18,000 a year ago are now offering £22,000''

Able-bodied sloths are sucking up the DOLE in EVERY British county. Indeed in EVERY city - put some of these bludgers to work. How hard is that?

''Almost 2.2 million people claimed unemployment benefits in the United Kingdom in July 2021, more than double the number claiming benefits around this time in 2020. The Coronavirus pandemic and subsequent lockdowns have played havoc with the UK economy, leading to the sharp rise in jobless claims seen here.''

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1118923/uk-jobless-claims/
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British HGV.........will work for beer. :mrgreen:

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Well we can see where Boris got his sartorial elegance dress sense from! :D

2.22 MILLION Brits on unemployment bleeding the country dry, yet entry level meat processing jobs paying 22,000 quid a year cannot be filled, as it sounds too much like HARD WORK to that lot. GRATE Britain indeed!



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Cill Dara wrote:
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British HGV.........will work for beer. :mrgreen:
Irish ‘HGV’ drivers - speed restricted because of the dodgy roads 😎
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And Australian truck drivers - everything is bl**dy upside down ‘down under’ 🤦‍♂️🤣
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Britain's pot-holed roads are SO BAD Honda is is forced to build special track in Japan to test new cars

Engineers have had to test Honda cars on a copy of a UK road to see if the Japanese vehicles are robust enough to survive motoring conditions here.

The four-mile test track at the Takasu centre in Hokkaido cracks easily and is noisy to drive on.

It has sharp turns like those found on many rural highways and can recreate the sub-zero temperatures found in winter, the Exaro website reported.

For added realism, it even has UK road signs and roundabouts.

Honda said the track was necessary because British roads absorb more water than the harder surfaces used in continental Europe.

When this water freezes, it expands and cracks road surfaces, resulting in the classic English pothole.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2306877/Britains-po ... -cars.html


Potholing in caves is for wimps........come to England and go potholing in the roads. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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28 Aug 2021 05:12
And Australian truck drivers - everything is bl**dy upside down ‘down under’ 🤦‍♂️🤣

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I know you and your brown cardigan do not get out much, that much is obvious, and your lame attempts at ''humour'' get even lamer each time, if that were indeed possible, but surely even you can do better than an obvious INDIAN decrepit truck, upturned outside an INDIAN slum, with an INDIAN copyright notice over it. :roll: :roll:
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Yes Glen and your image from ‘meme generator.net’ is the pinnacle of humour I presume clearly showing a realistic version of every British person! 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

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Cill Dara wrote:
28 Aug 2021 05:46
Britain's pot-holed roads are SO BAD Honda is is forced to build special track in Japan to test new cars

Engineers have had to test Honda cars on a copy of a UK road to see if the Japanese vehicles are robust enough to survive motoring conditions here.

The four-mile test track at the Takasu centre in Hokkaido cracks easily and is noisy to drive on.

It has sharp turns like those found on many rural highways and can recreate the sub-zero temperatures found in winter, the Exaro website reported.

For added realism, it even has UK road signs and roundabouts.

Honda said the track was necessary because British roads absorb more water than the harder surfaces used in continental Europe.

When this water freezes, it expands and cracks road surfaces, resulting in the classic English pothole.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2306877/Britains-po ... -cars.html


Potholing in caves is for wimps........come to England and go potholing in the roads. :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Genuine British pothole - Sefton Park area of Liverpool
Just waiting for the Irish navvies to come over with their tarmac to fix them. Liverpool is just across the pond from you so shouldn’t take too long 👍

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Yes Glen and your image from ‘meme generator.net’ is the pinnacle of humour I presume clearly showing a realistic version of every British person! 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Your reedin and comprehenshun lets you down yet again. You have neither skill it seems.

It clearly shows a Brit, and is typical of the lazy sods sucking up your welfare disaster there, to this day.

If you actually REEEED the post, and reflect on the truth of it, instead of adding lame images of Indian trucks in Indian Slums for some obscure reason, the penny might drop even in your blinkered little mind. Hope springs eternal. :idea:

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Get some bone lazy British sods off their arses, and off the DOLE, and in there to process your meat and drive some lorries. There is a cool idea. They cannot claim there are no jobs. :!: :!: :!:

Of course they'd rather be like Onslow lounging back, watching the telly, puffing a fag, sipping warm beer, and dressing like a slob in subsidised housing, and drawing the dole. The Welfare State must stop now due to BREXIT, or the UK is doomed, so get them to WORK for a change. :!: :!:

Some bone idle Brits can pretend to be Eastern Europeans for a while, and put in a week's WORK for a change. There are MILLIONS cheerfully suckling at Britannia's nipples, and you lot are talking about "no-one here to do unglamorous hard work jobs". Join up a few dots for a change. The Idle Onslow Army will hate it, but it solves all your alleged issues re ''no lorry drivers and meat workers'' etc. :twisted:

''entry-level meat-processing jobs advertised at an annual salary of £18,000 a year ago are now offering £22,000''

Able-bodied sloths are sucking up the DOLE in EVERY British county. Indeed in EVERY city - put some of these bludgers to work. How hard is that?

''Almost 2.2 million people claimed unemployment benefits in the United Kingdom in July 2021, more than double the number claiming benefits around this time in 2020. The Coronavirus pandemic and subsequent lockdowns have played havoc with the UK economy, leading to the sharp rise in jobless claims seen here.''

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1118923/uk-jobless-claims/
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I read it but it didn’t make a lot of sense, I think it must have been written in some sort of Australian slang or something.

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GB 789 wrote:
28 Aug 2021 06:38
Cill Dara wrote:
28 Aug 2021 05:46
Britain's pot-holed roads are SO BAD Honda is is forced to build special track in Japan to test new cars

Genuine British pothole - Sefton Park area of Liverpool
Just waiting for the Irish navvies to come over with their tarmac to fix them. Liverpool is just across the pond from you so shouldn’t take too long 👍
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Their gaffer, on right, goes by the name Yosser Hughes........last seen wandering the streets spouting "Gizza Job" and indulging in headbanging......a product of Mad Maggie's Britain. ;)

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No deal they haven’t invaded a local park with their caravans!

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I read it, but it didn’t make a lot of sense

It makes perfect sense to all those with double digit IQs. So you not understanding it, is zero surprise to anyone here.

Putting UK dole bludgers to work in areas of unskillled staff shortages is bog basic common sense. Go back to stealing totally meaningless images of Indian trucks outside Indian Slums, and feebly and pathetically claiming it has anything to do with BREXIT. More your comprehension speed. :!:
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If only the real world was as simple as you make out! Have you ever worked in a meat processing unit? I haven’t but I can imagine you’d need a strong stomach to work in one.

In theory, yes anyone out of work should be given work but simplistic ideas with no thought about implementation don’t help. The jobs have to be realistic. And I don’t think you can call abattoir work ‘unskilled’ either. Have you ever butchered a cow?

As you think Australians are so superior to every one else, what do you do with your unemployed? I can’t imagine you force them to work in abattoirs or similar stomach churning jobs. So what does your country do???

Let’s get back to some form of realism here rather than the usual name calling.

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Have you ever worked in a meat processing unit? I haven’t, but I can imagine you’d need a strong stomach to work in one.

So you are now an ''expert' on an industry you agree you know nothing about. Sounds 100% correct - spot on target. :roll: :roll:

Why do a large chunk of Brits like YOU perpetually stick their heads in the sand whenever there is a crisis, and not use some brains and address it? What is YOUR adult Solution to sort Britain's rapdily worsening mess - post up stolen 5 year old images of India Trucks outside Indian Slums.

Don't focus on what happens here, your usual boring and irrelevant tactic - WE have no Brexit, and YOU have the issues, not us.

For the THIRD time, as you cannot read, I point out the REALITY that you now have over 2 million Onslows being fed off Britannia's nipple, making your economy an ever bigger mess than it is now. Get a bunch of them to apply for these jobs. What part of that basic logic escapes your head in the sand brain?

If they can bludge off the dole, and smoke fags and drink warm beer, they can pick and process crops. Or work in restaurants or hotels doing menial work - agree? They are not physically disabled - just BONE LAZY BLUDGING BRITS. Give them no choice. Work for the Dole basically.

A report by a group of 12 trade bodies in the UK food, drink and hospitality sectors has said "chronic labour shortages" span the whole of the supply chain, from agricultural workers through to waiting staff.

August 21 report - https://www.nfuonline.com/nfu-online/westminster/labour-avai ... 26-august/

In headline terms, the overarching challenge facing the sector is the shortage of labour.

Of the 73 businesses that responded to Part 3 of our
information request there was an average vacancy rate of
13% (with a median of 10%). To begin to understand the true
scale of this we have extrapolated up to the national level by
applying this vacancy rate to the full complement of people
employed in the Food and Drink sector (4.1 million) which
would suggest that there is potentially in excess of 500,000
vacancies.


Whilst this is only an estimate it resonates with
other more granular industry figures which estimates up
to 100,000 HGV shortages and 188,000
hospitality vacancies.

For some organisations the situation will be far more
pronounced with 5% of respondents citing vacancies rates of
over 50%. There are of course also some that have a
vacancy rate of zero.

Across the 73 businesses providing data, ‘processing’ roles
accounted for the highest proportion of vacancies, averaging
43%.
This second highest level of vacancies was for
‘operational’ role which had an average vacancy rate of
35%
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And I don’t think you can call abattoir work ‘unskilled’ either. Have you ever butchered a cow?
And as usual, your REEDIN fails you. All the sand in your eyes as your head is inserted in same so often. The UK meat processing industry said - not me -

''entry-level meat-processing jobs advertised at an annual salary of £18,000 a year ago are now offering £22,000''

ENTRY level. Low skill menial work. Not trained slaughtermen as your usual skim reading translated it as.
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Have you ever worked in a meat processing unit? I haven’t, but I can imagine you’d need a strong stomach to work in one.

So you are now an ''expert' on an industry you agree you know nothing about. Sounds 100% correct - spot on target. :roll: :roll:

Why do a large chunk of Brits like YOU perpetually stick their heads in the sand whenever there is a crisis, and not use some brains and address it? What is YOUR adult Solution to sort Britain's rapdily worsening mess - post up stolen 5 year old images of India Trucks outside Indian Slums.

I suggested an ‘adult solution’ to these problems - namely reclassification of certain jobs like HGV drivers as ‘skilled’ rather than unskilled workers so that foreign nationals can be more easily recruited here. This would provide a short term solution as it is only a short term problem.

I admitted this was a government error in classification, but you then fell into the trap of calling other ‘skilled’ jobs unskilled. Exactly what our government did!

Also, you don’t seem to understand that you can’t just make someone become a HGV driver or any of the other skilled vacancies - it takes time and a high level of professional training. Your simplistic solutions do not work in the real work or do you not think every government worldwide would be doing this and every country’s unemployment rate would be 0% 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

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GB 789 wrote:
29 Aug 2021 01:02
And I don’t think you can call abattoir work ‘unskilled’ either. Have you ever butchered a cow?
And as usual, your REEDIN fails you. All the sand in your eyes as your head is inserted in same so often. The UK meat processing industry said - not me -

''entry-level meat-processing jobs advertised at an annual salary of £18,000 a year ago are now offering £22,000''

ENTRY level. Low skill menial work. Not trained slaughtermen as your usual skim reading translated it as.
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‘Menial’ work would still involve cutting and packaging the meat - still stomach churning for most.

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Again your total lack of vision or common sense.

Why reclassify truck driver Visa quotas and import more labour from Europe???

GET YOUR 2 MILLION+ DOLE RECIPIENTS TO DRIVE LORRIES - PICK PRODUCE, AND DO MENIAL WORK IN HOSPITALITY ETC.

Your glory days of flying in half of Poland to do this are finished. KAPUT.

Even most Brits can handle washing dishes in a restaurant or pub, or picking onions etc. Even the real thick ones can be trained up to these COMPLEX skill levels. And they are off the Dole then. WIN-WIN :lol: :lol: :lol:

DO IT. Issue solved, and it gets them off the dole and you SAVE billions of handouts to layabouts. Are you just too thick to see the obvious??

What "SKILL" do you need to pick and clean onions or wash dishes? And those jobs there are 100,000s of right now - see report above from this week. Get your head OUT of that sand.

Have you ever heard of the ''Industrial Revolution''??? You are young, and of course know it all, so no, it is not a pop band.

It was HOW Britain had a century of so of actual prosperity. And BRITS did the menial work, in dangerous industries and factories, and the country prospered. NO cushy Dole back then to leech off. Brits worked for their food and rent then.
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Well we can see where Boris got his sartorial elegance dress sense from! :D

2.22 MILLION Brits on unemployment bleeding the country dry, yet entry level meat processing jobs paying 22,000 quid a year cannot be filled, as it sounds too much like HARD WORK to that lot. GRATE Britain indeed!



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There is an adult solution to the problems being faced by the UK.

Join the EU

They have a large migrant labour force which could fill the jobs until the UK citizens take up the call to work.

They have a well known health and safety and standards system which could save UK businesses loads of cash as they are used to it.

It would give the UK access to worldwide trade deals with no effort needed in securing new deals.

It could give our children access to an established student exchange programme.

UK pensioners struggling to survive on the miserly UK state pension can have the choice of moving to areas where the cost of living is much lower than the UK giving them a chance of a better life in retirement.

The UK could learn from some countries who's covid19 vaccination programs have exceeded the UK.

The UK may also learn from some countries efforts in producing renewable energy.

It would also solve the problem of the NI protocol no need for a border at all when working with the EU.

There maybe more advantages? :lol:
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If there were a vote next month in the UK -

Do you wish to direct your Government to apply to re-join the EU on terms near identical to those previously prevailing -

YES
NO



My hunch is the YES vote will be about 70%.

Other thoughts?

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I can only say what I see.

The group of expats around where I live had a large proportion of Brexit supporters before the referendum and indeed many were proud to say they voted for Brexit.

Now as reality is seeping in there is only one who thinks Brexit was a good idea.
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If there were a vote next month in the UK -

Do you wish to direct your Government to apply to re-join the EU on terms near identical to those previously prevailing -

YES
NO



My hunch is the YES vote will be about 70%.

Other thoughts?

Glen
My hunch is it would give the same result as last time. And probably with a slightly increased Leave vote.

The 2019 election was effectively that second referendum and Boris was swept in with an 85 seat majority. The Lib Dems campaign was based on remaining in the EU and they got nowhere. Labour would not say where they stood although the indications were that they had no strong desire to leave and they lost large parts of the country that had traditionally been their heartland.

I have not spoken to a single Leave voter who would change their mind, but I have spoken to several Remain voters who would change their vote because it’s been decided and that’s that.

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29 Aug 2021 16:24
There is an adult solution to the problems being faced by the UK.

Join the EU

They have a large migrant labour force which could fill the jobs until the UK citizens take up the call to work.

They have a well known health and safety and standards system which could save UK businesses loads of cash as they are used to it.

It would give the UK access to worldwide trade deals with no effort needed in securing new deals.

It could give our children access to an established student exchange programme.

UK pensioners struggling to survive on the miserly UK state pension can have the choice of moving to areas where the cost of living is much lower than the UK giving them a chance of a better life in retirement.

The UK could learn from some countries who's covid19 vaccination programs have exceeded the UK.

The UK may also learn from some countries efforts in producing renewable energy.

It would also solve the problem of the NI protocol no need for a border at all when working with the EU.

There maybe more advantages? :lol:
Well if the EU has such a large migrant workforce why isn’t the unemployment rate for able bodied people 0% across the union??? Surely with your freedom of movement there can be no excuses for not being able to fill vacancies and people to take up jobs.

I think you will find it is because a lot of those migrants don’t fancy working in certain areas of the EU because they are not attractive propositions. Why hasn’t any country listened to Glen though and forcibly made their unemployed move to other EU countries where there a jobs??? I wonder why 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

I think you will also find that there has been very little change in people’s viewpoints towards Brexit on both sides. You may base your opinion on a few ex-pats living in Portugal but actually living in Britain on a daily basis gives a far better impression of people’s overall opinions about Brexit and is a much more accurate reflection.

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I can only say what I see.

The group of expats around where I live had a large proportion of Brexit supporters before the referendum and indeed many were proud to say they voted for Brexit.

Now as reality is seeping in there is only one who thinks Brexit was a good idea.

Yes, even outside the Expats abroad like you, I suspect the feeling will be similar in Blighty.

"Lets right this sinking ship FAST" sort of back flip response?

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Why hasn’t any country listened to Glen though and forcibly made their unemployed move to other EU countries where there a jobs???


Do NOT misquote me. :roll:

My clear suggestion for those who can read or comprehend anything - you clearly cannot, as you prove daily - was to get the 2+ MILLION lazy BRITISH Onlsow layabouts, greedily sucking up the BRITISH dole, to work in BRITISH jobs.

No-one else on the planet would want your lazy BRITISH sods anyway. Think about it.

Pick onions, work in BRITISH kitchens, or in hospitality, or in the fields etc, and help SOLVE your REAL AND CURRENT BRITISH issue with lack of willing workers in BRITISH unskllled jobs. There is no lack of jobs - they is simply a lack of WILL from your vast BRITISH Onslow Army there to work doing ANYTHING except play sloth. Up to your BRITISH Government to MAKE them apply for those vacant jobs in their region. OR lose the dole. Simple.

No-one needs a Uni degree to pick BRITISH onions, or wash dishes, or make beds or clean floors etc. SOMEONE has to do it, and taking a few 100,000 lazy BRITISH sods off the dole to do it, is the very simple solution.

The Welfare State is regarded as so normal and accepted and entrenched there, none of you lot seems to see the obvious. :roll:
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My hunch is it would give the same result as last time. And probably with a slightly increased Leave vote.

In hindsight, do you think Britain was right or wrong to vote to leave the EU?

YouGov poll 6th August 2021


Right 42%
Wrong 46%
Don't know 12%

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-th ... ve-the-eu/

Buyer's regret? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Well Conservative Party Mayor Gavin will of course feel that another vote will heartily endorse the last foolish decision, but the other 60 million Brits clearly do differ as the wider survey shows! :lol:
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Brexit: Businesses 'frustrated' as government rejects plea to loosen visa rules for lorry drivers amid supply chain crisis

In response to calls to make it easier for EU nationals to drive HGVs in the UK, the business secretary suggested employers should invest in UK-based workers instead.


https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-businesses-frustrated-as-g ... s-12392986



Not enough turkeys for Christmas due to Brexit, poultry producers warn

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/19/chicken- ... on-jobs-eu


It seems that Boris is about to cancel Christmas, turkey producers have announced........turkeys will be relieved. :lol:

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Glen you haven’t thought about the logistics of your idea at all. You say make these unemployed become meat processors etc etc etc but it wouldn’t work in practise. Surely you can see that 🙄🙄🙄

The unemployed are not all living in one small area of Britain next to a meat processing plant. They are spread all round Britain both in urban areas and rural. According to your suggestion, they would have to be forcibly made to move themselves and their families to an Sentra where the factory or work was! How is that even realistic???

It is not misquoting you as you suggested EVERY ONE of those 2 million + unemployed should be forced to have to work to fill our employment gaps - YOU SAID THAT!!!

The reality of course is that if these unemployed do not live near where these job vacancies are, your plan DOESN’T WORK without whole scale movement of the population. You Haven’t thought this through!

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Cill Dara wrote:
29 Aug 2021 20:56
gavin-h wrote:
29 Aug 2021 18:54
My hunch is it would give the same result as last time. And probably with a slightly increased Leave vote.

In hindsight, do you think Britain was right or wrong to vote to leave the EU?

YouGov poll 6th August 2021


Right 42%
Wrong 46%
Don't know 12%

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-th ... ve-the-eu/

Buyer's regret? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Simple Cill, you have very little understanding of politics and voting it seems 🙄🙄🙄 It is always the ‘don’t knows’ that count and even with your dodgy maths ability that 12% ‘don’t know’ would push the ‘right’ vote over 50%. And also Yougov users are a certain demographic, not representative of the majority working class voters who would back Brexit. It would be like asking a member of the brain washed Cill clan, do you like Britain? 🤦‍♂️🤣

Of course, you won’t accept that because of your simpleton grudge against Britain.

Again though, where are these Brits on here who ACTUALLY LIVE IN BRITAIN who want to go back to the EU??? I have repeated this on this thread multiple times and it is only Ex-pats, Irish, Czechs and, for some unknown reason, Ozzies who think we made a mistake.

Just get over the fact we left! 👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋

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29 Aug 2021 02:12

I guess I must just be too thick as you say 👍

On this we are totally agreed. :idea:




Are you just TOO THICK to only just skim read EVERYTHING you see in life??? Oops, you already answered that.

Here it is (for the FIFTH time) for you slowllllllllllllllllly and briefly, so at last you MIGHT be capable of joining up the very simple dots.

1. You have over 2 MILLION BRITISH dole recipients spread across EVERY county. (Refer factual reference above)

2. You now have 100,000s of vacancies for BRITISH unskilled workers in countless fields, spread across EVERY county. (Refer factual reference above)

Now I know connecting these dots will be very HARD for you, but please do try it for a moment. :idea:

You seem obsessed with saving this vast Army of Onslows from losing his dole - you may indeed be getting the Dole yourself, and also do not want a job - who would know? Your pathetic arguments against getting these lazy sods WORKING at long last, certainly points to that. :?: :?:

Forget about your very kinky obsession with ''meat workers'' - forget your Froot Loop brain fart idea that all the jobs, and all the dole recipients are each located within 10 square miles - 200 miles apart. Read the FACTS.
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29 Aug 2021 21:37
Just get over the fact we left! 👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋
Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.

Quoting some guy whose name I cannot recall. :mrgreen:

Bon voyage........... :lol:

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Cill Dara wrote:
29 Aug 2021 21:48
GB 789 wrote:
29 Aug 2021 21:37
Just get over the fact we left! 👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋
Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.

Quoting some guy whose name I cannot recall. :mrgreen:

Bon voyage........... :lol:
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Myth of global Britain laid bare in utter shallowness
Boris Johnson chronically confuses culture and economics of affair called Brexit
Thu, Aug 26, 2021, 01:00


Welcome to HMS Global Britain. It’s your captain – Ian “Beefy” Botham – speaking. We’re embarking on a journey to the sunlit uplands of the post-Brexit world. Throw away your red tape, it’s not needed here. And there is nothing to lose but the chains of the bloated European Union bureaucracy. All aboard!

Whatever misgivings the Conservative administration may have, we must offer credit where credit’s due. Boris Johnson and his compatriots have left a lot to be desired when it comes to managing a pandemic, adequately preparing supply chains for the entirely predictable disruption of a hard(ish) Brexit, and dutifully respecting a treaty they signed up to. But they are experts at selling a vision of heady triumphalism that has little basis in reality.

And that was precisely the energy with which secretary of state for trade Liz Truss announced the latest facet of Britain’s so-called global future: the (very) former England cricketer Ian Botham has been appointed as the new trade envoy to Australia. “Ian will bat for [British] business Down Under and help them seize the opportunities created by our historic trade deal,” Truss tweeted.

But the news was sullied by some inconvenient realities plaguing Britain as it extracts itself from the EU. Thanks to supply chain issues, last week the restaurant Nandos was forced to temporarily shutter several of its outlets after apparently running low on its principal item, chicken. On Tuesday, McDonald’s suffered similar problems, this time running out of milkshakes. Greggs, which has 2000 stores nationwide, has been hit with the disruption to poultry supplies too. The chief executive of the Co-operative Group has meanwhile described supermarket shortages as the worst he’s ever seen.

Sloganeering and gestures

The technical choreography required to mitigate such problems must be of secondary concern to a government far more interested in sloganeering and symbolic gestures. It would be hard to dismiss the genius behind Dominic Cummings’s referendum-storming “Take Back Control” mantra. We needn’t forget the appeals to Getting Brexit Done (come what may) that saw Johnson sail into a hefty majority in the House of Commons. And we have been offered no shortage of cultural totems to mark the new age of Britannia unchained: the minting of a patriotic Brexit coin, Botham’s latest career change, and a new UK “trade yacht” likely to cost hundreds of millions of pounds.

Realising his vision for a “truly Global Britain” needs more than whacky infrastructure projects

This is the vein of politics Johnson thrives in. And it is perfectly suited to thumping election wins and all-or-nothing grandiosity (the 2012 Olympics remains the man’s greatest triumph). Unfortunately the project that he was hoping would define his premiership – Brexit – requires a rather different approach. And realising his vision for a “truly Global Britain” – whatever that means – needs more than whacky infrastructure projects.

As Cummings was masterfully pulling on the strings of the electorate, he was failing to adequately prepare for the project of disentangling Britain from a trade bloc that had permeated every level of its economy. And though Johnson can wax lyrical about a new nation pursuing its destiny beyond the four oppressive walls of the European Commission, he has not done a particularly good job at keeping the basics ticking along: food on shelves, workers in factories and offices, chicken in chicken restaurants. You know, the minor details.

Non-existent yacht

But now, in lieu of membership of a powerful bloc that organised trade deals on our behalf, the UK has a former England cricketer with a schoolboy nickname on a currently-non-existent yacht sailing into Sydney Harbour to flog its wares; and a proposed bridge to link Northern Ireland to Scotland that would hardly be completed (if ever started) before the union fell apart. Johnson could have saved some time by localising this jolly and ineffective chicanery into one government department (the Ministry of Bad Ideas, perhaps).

Of course, these labour shortages and supply issues are not the sole fault of a chaotically handled Brexit. The pandemic has much to say for itself too (as plenty of factory workers were forced to isolate, for example). Covid in some sense then has saved Johnson from the hard analysis of Brexit. But this only damages him in the long term: he needs to know what is not working if he ever plans to fix it. But disentangling the two could be like looking through a kaleidoscope on hallucinogens. In that context maybe Botham’s appointment is as sane as anything else.

But here lies the folly in Johnson’s reverie: a chronic confusion between the culture and economics of the affair. These empty gestures are all symbols of something Johnson wants to believe is a purely cultural revolution, proof that Britain’s exceptionalism makes it too big to fail. But Brexit is as much a boring, detailed economic puzzle as it is any kind of cultural shift.

And the whole myth of global Britain is laid bare in its utter shallowness as soon as we realise the government is not interested in proving it has any substance.

“Where is global Britain on the streets of Kabul?” Theresa May asked in parliament. Where is global Britain when parliament voted to slash its foreign aid budget? And where is global Britain when the Conservatives try to renege on an international treaty they committed themselves to? Where indeed.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/finn-mcredmond-myth-of-gl ... -1.4656129


Who the heck is Ian Botham?..........anyway, Boris is sending him to Australia to sort things out down there. :?:
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Back to the Irish Times Cill??? Gordon Bennett 🤣

Why not go and enjoy your Sunday rather than trawling the internet for anything that looks like it may back up your anti- British sentiment 👍

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