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GB 789 wrote:
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honza wrote:
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Ahoj Old Duffer!

Will goods for export also be labelled in imperial measures and sales refused to any country that won't accept such anachronisms imposed by the Brexiteers?

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I’m not sure you understand that the vast majority of people in Britain under 50 have been brought up using metric measurements.
So why try to complicate life and confuse them by reinvigorating moribund concepts?

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So why try to complicate life and confuse them by reinvigorating moribund concepts?
Well, that may be true for the concept of the EU, (or stamp collecting, for that matter :D ),
but a pint is a term in common usage by people of all ages "old enough to drink" (even milk!).

I have never gone into a pub (/bar) in Britain (or most of Europe, for that matter) and asked for "a unit, in metric", in the last 40 years.

Most people tend to ask for the unit of sale, be that a pint, a bottle, a glass or a large glass (of wine, or beer), a single, or double for spirits. I've never peered over and read the labels.

I don't think this is news, anywhere other than in the Czech Republic
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The Financial Times is talking about a shortage of carbon dioxide this morning which will exacerbate the supply problems in the retail sector with meat products and soft drinks most affected.

The biggest surprise, however, is that the Daily Express, that bastion of the rabid right and stalwart mouthpiece for Boris and Brexit has a headline today "Crisis talks over fears of food shortages within days". Inside (I haven't delved there) it probably blames the EU, China, Putin or Corbyn and the Unions, but the fact that they just for a moment acknowledge that all is not well in this new British Renaissance, is already remarkable and perhaps indicative that the scales are beginning to fall from their rosé-tinted eyes.

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The UK adopted the SI unit of measurement in 1965 to align itself with a lot of other countries throughout the world.

Mainly for scientific, engineering and world trade reasons.

It was not foisted on the UK by the EU.

I think the headlines about this are just attention grabbers to mislead people. With the USA being the only major country not officially using the SI system (they have a law to use it but that law is voluntary? Their military use the SI system as well.) it makes no sense for a trading nation to change to a different system.

Maybe the UK is changing to the American weights and measures just to get a trade deal?

This is not a headline but could maybe become a rumour.
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GB 789 wrote:
18 Sep 2021 09:11
honza wrote:
18 Sep 2021 05:07
Ahoj Old Duffer!

Will goods for export also be labelled in imperial measures and sales refused to any country that won't accept such anachronisms imposed by the Brexiteers?

Cheers,

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I’m not sure you understand that the vast majority of people in Britain under 50 have been brought up using metric measurements.
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I think he understands perfectly well, but chooses to reinforce his regular narrative of us being dupes / vassals of the USA and reactionary xenophobes.

The question is just another example - of course we won't market items for export in Imperial measures - any more than Renault, VW or Fiat will try to force left hand drive cars on to the British market. :lol:

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The Financial Times is talking about a shortage of carbon dioxide this morning which will exacerbate the supply problems in the retail sector with meat products and soft drinks most affected.

The biggest surprise, however, is that the Daily Express, that bastion of the rabid right and stalwart mouthpiece for Boris and Brexit has a headline today "Crisis talks over fears of food shortages within days". Inside (I haven't delved there) it probably blames the EU, China, Putin or Corbyn and the Unions, but the fact that they just for a moment acknowledge that all is not well in this new British Renaissance, is already remarkable and perhaps indicative that the scales are beginning to fall from their rosé-tinted eyes.
It’s ironic you use the term ‘Rose-tinted eyes’ (perhaps better as ‘glasses’) as that is exactly what your views on the EU are based on! You are the true example of someone who can never see the negatives of the EU model.

Likewise, with your seeming love of China and Russia based on your previous posts and your hatred of NATO, the USA and Britain, it is clear you have absolutely no clue about democratic thinking. You previously described NATO as war mongering yet make no comment on the continued aggression of China and Russia? Perhaps you should move to one of those countries so you may actually see the ridiculousness of your constant claims.

You show support for a nation that brain washes everyday a billion plus people and doesn’t allow opposing voices to be heard. Hong Kong is the tip of the ice berg. Yet you bleat on how bad the USA and her allies are. It seems you are the one who has been brain washed to believe that democracy is evil. It is rather sad that you can’t see the reality in front of your eyes.

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What? No one has commented on the temperature of the beer? :lol:

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Well I have been amazed at how quickly metrics have permeated the USA in the past decade. :!:

I spent time checking a WalMart on my last trip, and bottles of Coke, Listerine, laundry detergent etc, etc, were more and more in metric. 1.25 Litre and 2 Litre soda bottles were the norm, and all wine is in 750 mm etc.

Near all retail packaging is shown in both versions. I think that is actually Federal law?

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Since January 1, 2000, the Uniform Packaging and Labeling Regulation (UPLR, NIST Handbook 130) has allowed metric net quantity declarations on consumer packages not subject to Federal regulations. The UPLR has allowed metric labeling on non-consumer packages (those packages marked for wholesale and industrial trade) for more than 20 years. The Guide for Labeling Consumer Package by Weight, Volume, Count, or Measure (NIST SP 1020), provides an overview of the requirements for labeling packaged goods to be offered for sale and is based on the UPLR.

This from 2005:

Product labels must go metric

Tamp Bay Times. Published Oct. 7, 2005

Inch by inch _ oops, make that centimeter by centimeter _ the metric system is coming to America.

The latest step became official last week with a Federal Trade Commission rule that labels for a large variety of consumer products must include metric measurements along with such traditional English units as ounces, inches and gallons.

Don't look for change to come a mile a minute, though. The rule permits businesses to use up their supply of old labels. And the commission says it won't start enforcing the regulation until Nov. 8.

Congress passed a law making the metric system of weights and measures legal for trade way back in 1866, but the United States has not been swift to change its ways.

A recent study for Congress found that resistance to conversion remains in industry because of the cost, and among a public fearful of confusing change.

In fact, only the United States, Myanmar (formerly Burma) and Liberia still use the English units, according to the U.S. Metric Association.

The rule shouldn't cause many problems, though, said William G. Morin, a vice president of the National Association of Manufacturers.

There have been a few complaints by businesses about the cost of change, he said, "but in the long run it just makes sense if you're going to compete in international markets . . . which is virtually a given if you want to stay in business."

"As more people are doing business around the world, they seem to become less provincial," Morin said.

Products covered by the new rule include such items as soap, toilet paper, tissues, foil wrap, plastic bags, detergents, mops, deodorants, shampoo and batteries, FTC lawyer Robert E. Easton said.

Food and Drug Administration labeling rules to require the addition of metric measurements on foods, drugs and cosmetics are under development.

Many U.S. products already include metric measurements, especially alcoholic beverages and soft drinks, which have been packaged in metric sizes in recent years.

All the new rule requires is that manufacturers make simple mathematical conversions from the inch-pound system to the metric system and include metric equivalents on the labeling for consumer products.

The regulation comes under the Fair Packaging and Labeling Act, which requires that a product label disclose the contents, the name and place of business of the manufacturer, packer or distributor and the net contents of the package.

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This from 2017: https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/501500/why-soda-measured-liters

Why Is Soda Measured in Liters?* *American spelling

BY KATE HOROWITZ JULY 26, 2017

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Never a nation to fall in line, America is one of the few countries to resist the metric system. We stubbornly measure distance in miles and weight in pounds. So what’s with those two-liter bottles of soda?

First, a clarification: Soda is far from the only substance we measure in metric units. Heck, it’s not even the only beverage. Wine, liquor, and bottled water are sold by the milliliter. The healthcare field is all about metric units, too, from cholesterol levels to prescription, over-the-counter, and supplement dosages. We run 5-kilometer races, ride on 215-millimeter tires, and use 8-millimeter cameras, or at least we used to.

In most other things, we determinedly cling to our imperial measurements. Attempts to convince Americans to join the rest of the metric-measuring world have been met with great resistance.

Ken Butcher of the National Institute of Science and Technology has been working with the government’s tiny Metric Program for years. Speaking to Mental Floss back in 2013, Butcher explained that we’re so entrenched in our way of doing things that switching measurement systems now would be both chaotic and expensive.

"If we were going to start a new country all with the metric system, it would be easy," he said. "But when you have to go in and change almost everything that touches people’s everyday life and their physical and mental experience, their education, and then you take that away from them—it can be scary."

Here and there, though, when it’s convenient, we have been willing to budge. The soda bottle is a good example. Until 1970, all soft drinks in the U.S. were sold in fluid ounces and gallons, mostly in glass bottles. Then the plastic polyethylene terephthalate (PET) bottle came along, and soft drink makers decided it was time for a product redesign.

The redesign process coincided with two key factors: a short-lived wave of government interest in going metric, and the burgeoning environmental movement.

The folks at PepsiCo decided to meld all three into its exciting new vessel: a lightweight, cheap, recyclable, metric bottle, with built-in fins so it could stand up on supermarket shelves. Two liters: the soda size of the future.

The two-liter bottle took off. The rest of the soft drink world had no choice but to get on board. And voila: liters of cola for all.

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Maybe the UK is changing to the American weights and measures just to get a trade deal?

Well good luck with that thought bubble. :lol: :lol:

Brits still in 2021 near universally use that absurd weight measure of "stones". Not pounds, and not kilos.

No-one else on the planet - including the only other 2 non-metric progressive holdouts, Liberia and Myanmar use that silly term. Let's be totally out of step with absolutely everyone. HAIL BRITANNIA!!!!!

I was a watching a doco an hour back on King George IV. They said he was syphilitic, near blind, and an obese ''20 stone" slob when he died, but the rest of the global viewers have no idea how heavy that was.

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The strange thing is no else knows how heavy he was.

There are various meanings of Stone.

A stone of beef, in London, is eight pounds; in Hertfordshire, twelve pounds; in Scotland sixteen pounds.

Every one knows that a stone is 14 pounds but, that is only valid when weighing wool so a bale of wool would be twenty stones of 14 pounds each.

So which stone was used to weigh him when he died?
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Maybe the UK is changing to the American weights and measures just to get a trade deal?

Well good luck with that thought bubble. :lol: :lol:

Brits still in 2021 near universally use that absurd weight measure of "stones". Not pounds, and not kilos.

No-one else on the planet - including the only other 2 non-metric progressive holdouts, Liberia and Myanmar use that silly term. Let's be totally out of step with absolutely everyone. HAIL BRITANNIA!!!!!

I was a watching a doco an hour back on King George IV. They said he was syphilitic, near blind, and an obese ''20 stone" slob when he died, but the rest of the global viewers have no idea how heavy that was.

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Does it really matter. We use it and understand what it means in relation to weight/mass. 8 year old British kids use and understand it alongside metric grams and kilograms. We deal with it without any issue so I don’t see the problem at all as we know and use both units.

It’s a quirk as I said previously that we use both imperial and metric units concurrently but it really doesn’t matter what people from elsewhere think as you don’t use it.

Likewise, there are still a fair few ‘EU’ folk in Ireland who would still use imperial units too. Go to bar in Dublin and order ‘a half litre’ beer instead of a pint and you’d be laughed out of town.

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When France was asked why it hadn't recalled its Ambassador from London over the Aukus affair, it said that the UK was as important as a fifth wheel on a cart. OUCH!!!!

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When France was asked why it hadn't recalled its Ambassador from London over the Aukus affair, it said that the UK was as important as a fifth wheel on a cart. OUCH!!!!
Yet the USA and Australia choose BRITAIN to deal with - double ouch for the Frenchies!!!

I wonder which of their EU mates will want their shoddy submarines now 🤔🤔🤔

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Only narrow minds can speak of quality when it comes to the submarines offered by France

Discussions on this contract with Naval Group began in 2016. It concerns 12 conventional propulsion submarines for an amount of 26 billion euros. These are Attack-class submarines derived from future French Barracuda nuclear submarines. They are to replace six Australian Collins-class submarines that will reach the end of their career in 2032.
Conventional propulsion rather than nuclear was a choice for Australia, which wanted to be able to navigate anywhere in the Pacific. In New Zealand, nuclear powered submarines are not permitted to enter New Zealand waters under the 1984 Nuclear Free Zones Policy.

The sale, by the United States, of nuclear-powered submarines to Australia allows the latter to have nuclear submarines against the armament of the same order that China possesses.

This is a redeployment to slow the rise of China in the Indo-Pacific region, an area where the influence of France, or even of the European Union, is very reduced.

However, Australia will be more closely integrated into the American orbit. Technologically and militarily, this means that if the United States comes into conflict in the Indo-Pacific region, it will be much more difficult for Australians not to be directly and almost automatically involved.
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Does it really matter. We use it and understand what it means in relation to weight/mass.

Of course, it matters that you are happy to measure weight near universally in STONES. It simply proves the UK is out of step with the rest of the world. As some of you still are too thick to see how backward that thinking is. Learn how many KILOS a person weighs. It is not hard. Most of the world does it.

Britain needs desperately to trade with non EU regions, and doggedly sticking your Pommie heads in the sand as usual over such archaic things, as you clearly agree with (no surprise there!) will push Britain further into obscurity. :idea: :idea:

If you still sold land in Roods and Perches and Chains that would be JUST as daft. I am old enough to have had to learn all that nonsense at school, parrot fashion, and thank gawd the world moved on to a near universal system.

100 metres I understand, 3 roods I do not remember now, or care about. :!:
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Technologically and militarily, this means that if the United States comes into conflict in the Indo-Pacific region, it will be much more difficult for Australians not to be directly and almost automatically involved.

Our big ticket Military has been American for decades.

We fought actively alongside the USA in WWI (saving you lot in France - well before the Yanks got involved of course!) WW2 (again saving you lot!) Korean War, Vietnam War, Middle East, Afghanistan etc.

Totally out of date French subs you were way behind schedule with, were never going to be of any deterrent sadly.

If China wants to take over Australia it will do that as fast as Hitler took France. I cannot imagine France will care or assist, but America WILL, and Britain most likely will. :idea:

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Does it really matter. We use it and understand what it means in relation to weight/mass.

Of course, it matters that you are happy to measure weight near universally in STONES. It simply proves the UK is out of step with the rest of the world. As some of you still are too thick to see how backward that thinking is. Learn how many KILOS a person weighs. It is not hard. Most of the world does it.

Britain needs desperately to trade with non EU regions, and doggedly sticking your Pommie heads in the sand as usual over such archaic things, as you clearly agree with (no surprise there!) will push Britain further into obscurity. :idea: :idea:

If you still sold land in Roods and Perches and Chains that would be JUST as daft. I am old enough to have had to learn all that nonsense at school, parrot fashion, and thank gawd the world moved on to a near universal system.

100 metres I understand, 3 roods I do not remember now, or care about. :!:
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What an absolutely ridiculous argument that is!!!!

Do you not think we have been trading perfectly happily with other nations across the globe for the last 300 years despite using different measurements?

We don’t bloody trade in stones or pounds do we? For trade we’d obviously use kilos and grams. Stones and pounds are just ONE WAY how we in Britain weigh ourselves. We ALSO USE KILOS it isn’t a foreign concept to us so your argument about trade makes no sense. We can use both happily - as I previously said 8 year old British school children are taught how to do the conversions between imperial and metric units, it isn’t difficult for us!

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Stones and pounds are just ONE WAY how we in Britain weigh ourselves.

Do a straw poll of 20 people over age 50 and ask them to guess roughly what YOU weigh and 90% will answer "I'd guess about x stone". Get a grip. It is near universal. Keep living the past Jethro. :lol: :lol: :lol:

It is 2021 not 1921. Things have moved onward. Well not in Britain, but never too late to start creeping forward. :mrgreen:
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Stones and pounds are just ONE WAY how we in Britain weigh ourselves.

Do a straw poll of 20 people over age 50 and ask them to guess roughly what YOU weigh and 90% will answer "I'd guess about x stone". Get a grip. It is near universal. Keep living the past Jethro. :lol: :lol: :lol:

It is 2021 not 1921. Things have moved onwards. Well not in Britain, but never too late to start creeping forward. :mrgreen:
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But this has nothing to do with trading with other countries that you used as an argument to ‘Brit bash!’ We use metric units as well for that. You are the one who seems to think we ONLY use these imperial units for everything, we clearly don’t.

The only significant imperial unit used in everyday life here is miles which is far more accepted here for measuring longer distances than kilometres. Our road signs are labelled in miles so EVERYONE uses that measurement but we don’t use other imperial measurement like inches and yards a huge amount, smaller distances would be measured in metres and centimetres. It is only us Brits who need to know this so makes no difference to you foreign types 🤣

I’m unsure why an Australian is concerned about this usage when it is only used within British territory and not externally. There really is no logical argument here.

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Australia of course has been there before, when the US pressured them to join the ill-fated Viet Nam experience. Fortunately at that time Britain still had politicians to defend it from US manipulation and Wilson and Heath prevented British lives being sacrificed in vain .

I have bad vibes about this AUKUS deal. The US knows it is in decline. Its population is divided into two armed camps with mutual loathing, its currency is kaputt, it has just been kicked out of Afghanistan by a relatively unsophisticated militia and yet it still presumes to tell the Taliban how they should run their country.

They are so arrogant they will never admit their 15 minutes of fame is over and their 'democracy' is in reality a plutocracy ruling over a majority of have-nots. What better plan than to have a couple of hangers-on that they can put into the front line when their provocative behaviour goes too far.

Let us hope the EU learns from this, that it ditches NATO and its irrelevant overseas commitments at the behest of the US and concentrates on setting up its own defence network that can include contingents from non-aggressive countries like Ireland, Sweden, Austria and Finland, who can live in peace alongside other countries that are not US clones.

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Australia of course has been there before, when the US pressured them to join the ill-fated Viet Nam experience. Fortunately at that time Britain still had politicians to defend it from US manipulation and Wilson and Heath prevented British lives being sacrificed in vain .

I have bad vibes about this AUKUS deal. The US knows it is in decline. Its population is divided into two armed camps with mutual loathing, its currency is kaputt, it has just been kicked out of Afghanistan by a relatively unsophisticated militia and yet it still presumes to tell the Taliban how they should run their country.

They are so arrogant they will never admit their 15 minutes of fame is over and their 'democracy' is in reality a plutocracy ruling over a majority of have-nots. What better plan than to have a couple of hangers-on that they can put into the front line when their provocative behaviour goes too far.

Let us hope the EU learns from this, that it ditches NATO and its irrelevant overseas commitments at the behest of the US and concentrates on setting up its own defence network that can include contingents from non-aggressive countries like Ireland, Sweden, Austria and Finland, who can live in peace alongside other countries that are not US clones.
Those comments can be summed up as let the EU get the white flags of surrender up as China and Russia walk all over you!

I’d love to see what the Poles, Finnish etc living on the Russian border think of your plan Honza. The EU without the USA is an insignificant speck!

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You often achieve more by co-operation than confrontation.

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You often achieve more by co-operation than confrontation.
Only if the foe you are dealing with is willing to cooperate. Would you say recent actions by Russia and China suggest cooperation is high up on their list of priorities?

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The only significant imperial unit used in everyday life here is miles which is far more accepted here for measuring longer distances than kilometres.

Are you sure you live in Britain?

You have heard of ''The Times'' newspaper I guess in Worcester? (I assume nothing about your posts, as they are very often wrong when examined, like this one.)

You REALLY are trying to tell me Brits over 50 think in Kilos of sausages, of Kilos of potatoes, or Kilos or Tomatoes etc??

Go for it Jethro - dream away - News Flash - King Boris is now dragging you back to 1921 -- you'll enjoy it - might be another UP YOURS Europe statement - who would know, but it IS about to be lawful again to sell ONLY a pound of spuds. Talk abut The Time Machine - in REVERSE gear!



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The only significant imperial unit used in everyday life here is miles which is far more accepted here for measuring longer distances than kilometres.

Are you sure you live in Britain?

You have heard of ''The Times'' newspaper I guess in Worcester? (I assume nothing about your posts.)

You REALLY are trying to tell me Brits over 50 think in Kilos of sausages, of Kilos of potatoes, or Kilos or Tomatoes etc??

Go for it Jethro - dream away - News Flash - King Boris is dragging you back to 1921 -- you'll enjoy it -



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These days yes everyone here can cope with both because both units have been in use for so long. Despite what you may think, we don’t have lines of pensioners queuing up at shops because they are confused by the metric weights.

No what us sensible Brits have done is adjusted the metric units to match their imperial equivalent, eg 1 pound = 454 grams so things are in 500g packs. Amazingly, the ‘oldies’ can cope with this as they know that pack is around 1 pound in weight. The same with other measurement conversions.

I’m struggling to understand your difficulty in understanding that people here are intelligent enough to convert units even if they do still think in ‘old money’. It doesn’t confuse ANYONE here, only foreign onlookers it seems.

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So within a half hour your a quite absurd claim -

''The only significant imperial unit used in everyday life here is miles''

Has already total backflipped. You got caught out fibbing yet again. The fact someone from 10,000 miles away knows more about what goes on there is pretty sad really.

If you seriously are trying to tell me the over 50s go to a greengrocer and ask for 500 grams of Potatoes please, and ask a butcher for 500 grams of sausages please luv, that warm beer you are sculling is WAAAAY too strong for you. :!: :!: :!:

I give up --- Boris is dragging you back 100 years - go on the hay ride. He should appoint you as his Propoganda Minister. You have the perfect Head In The Rocky ''Sand'' small picture insular vision, needed for that job in the UK right now.

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So within a half hour your a quite absurd claim -

''The only significant imperial unit used in everyday life here is miles''

Has already total backflipped. You got caught out fibbing yet again. The fact someone from 10,000 miles away knows more about what goes on there is pretty sad really.

If you seriously are trying to tell me the over 50s go to a greengrocer and ask for 500 grams of Potatoes please, and ask a butcher for 500 grams of sausages please luv, that warm beer you are sculling is WAAAAY too strong for you. :!: :!: :!:

I give up --- Boris is dragging you back 100 years - go on the hay ride. He should appoint you as his Propoganda Minister. You have the perfect Head In The Rocky ''Sand'' small picture insular vision, needed for that job in the UK right now.

Back to selling stamps - talking to a brick wall gets tedious.
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Rubbish and I said no such thing!!!

You said that the oldies can’t cope with imperial units and we still label things in them. I CLEARLY explained that is not the case but packs are sized to match older units, such as the 500gram pack example I gave.

And NO people do not go into their greengrocer and ask for a pound of potatoes anymore because they won’t get them. The biggest reason is that there are very few traditional greengrocers left, supermarkets reign supreme here so things are either prepacked in metric units or loose items are priced in metric units - is that easy for you to understand?

Maybe in Ozland you still have them on every street, perhaps you’re the ones living in the past????

And also anyone born from the late 60s onwards has been brought up using metric units so even for those green grocers that still exist now, any shop worker there under the age of 55 wouldn’t use those measurements anyway.

So yes what I said was true about imperial units, except miles, not being used widely in everyday life.

If you are so determined to continually disprove everything BRITISH CITIZENS tell you about Britain on every thread, why don’t you just move to Britain. Obsessed much!!!!!!!

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You REALLY are trying to tell me Brits over 50 think in Kilos of sausages, of Kilos of potatoes, or Kilos or Tomatoes etc??
Yes. We were brought up with metric. Everything is weighed Kg, my bag of spuds makes no mention of Lb, whilst my bottle of pop is 2Ltr. Its a shame we didn't switch to Km, I'd have a struggle changing now just like the over 50's would have struggled way back when we went metric.

Many building materials are in inches - but then our older housing stock has stubbornly refused to go metric. But this is good for mental agility - I'm replacing my garden gate, the gate is 90cm and supported by one 2½ inch and one 3 inch posts.

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I have to admit that I am conflicted.

I prefer feet and inches because it is taller than metres. But I prefer kilos to stones/pounds cos I am more athletic.

Travelling in six Irish counties, speed limits are in miles per hour. And in 26the speed limits are in kilometres per hour. I suspect it's likely northern signs will change as the border is now at Larne.

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Many building materials are in inches - but then our older housing stock has stubbornly refused to go metric.

So old houses dictate policy on measurements used in the UK? Do you realise how DAFT that statement is??!!!

And you lot wonder why exporting goods is getting tougher???!!!

Like the UK we had imperial measures here for near 200 years. We changed to metric decades back and now everything in vast hardware stores are in metric. And everyone copes perfectly.

A ''four be two'' piece of wood is now a 50mm x 100mm piece of wood. VOILA! An ''inch thick'' conduit is now 25mm. VIOLA! Even for Brits that is not too hard to cope with surely?

We did not ask our old houses to vote on it. :lol: :lol: :lol:

The speed limit that used to be 50 mph is now 80 kph. It is not very hard to adjust.
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Global Administrator wrote:
20 Sep 2021 03:46
GB 789 wrote:
20 Sep 2021 03:19

The only significant imperial unit used in everyday life here is miles which is far more accepted here for measuring longer distances than kilometres.

Are you sure you live in Britain?

You have heard of ''The Times'' newspaper I guess in Worcester? (I assume nothing about your posts, as they are very often wrong when examined, like this one.)

You REALLY are trying to tell me Brits over 50 think in Kilos of sausages, of Kilos of potatoes, or Kilos or Tomatoes etc??

Go for it Jethro - dream away - News Flash - King Boris is now dragging you back to 1921 -- you'll enjoy it - might be another UP YOURS Europe statement - who would know, but it IS about to be lawful again to sell ONLY a pound of spuds. Talk abut The Time Machine - in REVERSE gear!



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Just a little observation.

The Metric martyrs were not convicted of breaching EU rules they were convicted of breaching the Weights and Measures act passed through the UK parliament by a duly elected democratic UK government.

On April 9, 2001, greengrocer Steven Thoburn was convicted of two offences of breaching the Weights and Measures Act 1985 - a conviction which launched a decades-long fight.

Mr Thoburn had been caught by an undercover officer at his Southwick market stall selling bananas using scales with imperial measures, after being warned not to use them by trading standards officers.
At least the maths used to calculate the prices in pounds and kilos is correct.

The question is 'Is it good for a forward thinking global economy to regress to outdated weights and measures at this time?'
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The question is 'Is it good for a forward thinking global economy to regress to outdated weights and measures at this time?'

King Boris clearly thinks so. :!: :!:

Which is why Britain is in such a mess.

You'd have been driving at 80kph and not 50mph decades back, if indeed the UK was "forward thinking" and moved right on decades back, from weighing yourselves in ''stones".

The UK remains the only country in Europe, and the Commonwealth, that still defines speed limits in miles per hour (mph).

The evidence is right there. No desire to adapt, or change and integrate, and a PM hell-bent on regression to Medieval weights and measures - even ones that by BRITISH LAW were outlawed in recent times.

Leaving the EU was dumb, but going back to ancient ways, means you'll all be painting yourselves in woad by 2100!


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I would not call Brexit dumb just massively misguided.

At least we may be able to resist the call to bring back pounds, shillings and pence which would be a little conundrum.

The old currency was based on an older currency in use throughout Britain foisted on the British by the Europeans, the Libra, Sesterci and Dinhero.

So we either keep metric coinage or bow to Europe and reintroduce LSD (maybe not a bad idea).

Paying for a pound of bananas with metric currency? :lol:
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''Boris Brings Back The Groat and The Rood.''

A forward looking Britain. :roll:

If they are determined to isolate themselves even further from the rest of the plant, a perfect idea. Be as weird and wacko and quirky as you can. It has worked perfectly well for North Korea, after all. No-one has invaded THEM. :!:

And Farthings were very cool too - add them back in.

And bring back PROPER sized 5 quid monocolour banknotes. Hard to lose, and easy to Forge .. from the period when Britain Ruled Supreme! Get those Edison gramophones buzzing -



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No no no not paper notes unless they come from sustainable forests, oh! Does Britain have any left?

We could use recycled plastic bags instead to make plastic notes. If they switch to plastic coinage as well Britain could have coinage that floats when thrown in to that wishing well. Easy to get out then and would probably last longer the metal coins.

A win for Britain in its struggle for isolation and a win for the environment (well until massive inflation means they have to mould more plastic coins).

Monopoly have been doing it for years no need to design new coins, yet another saving.
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No no no not paper notes unless they come from sustainable forests, oh! Does Britain have any left?

We could use recycled plastic bags instead to make plastic notes. If they switch to plastic coinage as well Britain could have coinage that floats when thrown in to that wishing well. Easy to get out then and would probably last longer the metal coins.

A win for Britain in its struggle for isolation and a win for the environment (well until massive inflation means they have to mould more plastic coins).

Monopoly have been doing it for years no need to design new coins, yet another saving.

Australia invented polymer banknotes 33 years back, and all our banknotes are plastic and have been for decades.

Boris wants to go back to making them from pressed PEAT I read somewhere?
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Boris wants to go back to making them from pressed PEAT I read somewhere?
For some reason he cannot get enough workers to cut the peat even when offering recycled plastic bags in payment!
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Many building materials are in inches - but then our older housing stock has stubbornly refused to go metric.
So old houses dictate policy on measurements used in the UK? Do you realise how DAFT that statement is??!!!
Nope, just that its handy.
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A ''four be two'' piece of wood is now a 50mm x 100mm piece of wood. VOILA! An ''inch thick'' conduit is now 25mm. VIOLA! Even for Brits that is not too hard to cope with surely?
No prob or me, I like maths so 1 3/4 inch x 2.54cm/inch I do in my head, round it and then calculate the number of ml of expanding foam I need to fill the gap :-)
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And you lot wonder why exporting goods is getting tougher???!!!
Its nothing to do with measurement units. They aren't changing.
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The speed limit that used to be 50 mph is now 80 kph. It is not very hard to adjust.
No, but there's an awful lot of road signs to change and the problem is none of the politicians have buddies in the sign printing business to generously gift contracts to so its low/no priority for them.
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I would not call Brexit dumb just massively misguided.
Exactly. The EU is bad, but being outside of it and then expecting to deal with something bad, something you can no longer influence (not that you have much when diluted from the original small group of countries to 27) ?

But now its done, we need to get on with life best we can and it doesn't help when the media spread crap that those abroad base there assumptions upon.

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Boris wants to go back to making them from pressed PEAT I read somewhere?
For some reason he cannot get enough workers to cut the peat even when offering recycled plastic bags in payment!

Don't you just import them from Poland or Roumania or Bulgaria at 5 quid an hour? No language issues on cutting Peat.

Oops, I forgot about BREXIT. Oh well, it is on topic then. :lol:

Well how about getting some of the millions of Brits on the DOLE Industry to go do it? Oops, sounds too much like HARD WORK for the vast British ARMY of lazy Onslow career welfare slobs .. heaven forbid.

As you were. Back to sleep in time warp Britain. :!: :!:

Stick with weight in stones, and four be twos, and miles and MPH. And learn RUSSIAN very fast. Vladimir has his eye on you. He needs PEAT! :lol: :lol:
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Exactly. The EU is bad, but being outside of it and then expecting to deal with something bad, something you can no longer influence (not that you have much when diluted from the original small group of countries to 27) ?

But now its done, we need to get on with life best we can and it doesn't help when the media spread crap that those abroad base there assumptions upon.

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Surely you cannot be inferring that the British media do not tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth!

Or as it was stated that Boris said he is keeping his promise to the metric martyrs are you inferring that Boris speaks a lot of crap?

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Jon E wrote:
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Exactly. The EU is bad, but being outside of it and then expecting to deal with something bad, something you can no longer influence (not that you have much when diluted from the original small group of countries to 27) ?

But now its done, we need to get on with life best we can and it doesn't help when the media spread crap that those abroad base there assumptions upon.

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Surely you cannot be inferring that the British media do not tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth!

Or as it was stated that Boris said he is keeping his promise to the metric martyrs are you inferring that Boris speaks a lot of crap?

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The BBC are certainly very selective in what they say, as opposed to actual lying. Online is just full of nonesense, resources trying to make out we have brexit-induced bare supermarket shelves by reposting photos of empty shelves from the start of the pandemic where everyone went on an Aussie-inspired bog roll frenzy :-)

Anyhow, Jonathan Pie (aka comedian Tom Walker) has a few choice words about Boris (Warning: quite a few "colourful metaphors"):

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I may have to watch that again and again just to make sure I do not assume anything.

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PS has anyone found out why there was a bog roll frenzy?
Yes widely reported for ages.

Brits use a ton more loo paper than all other humans on the planet.

I read they use 8 sheets a time to hold and part absorb the heart attack in a snack grease disaster in each Chip Buttie. 10 million Chip Butties a day sold clearly adds to the supply crisis.

This national crisis was predicted WAY before BREXIT -

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There is palpable sense of panic slowly developing in London. Each Brit consumes 110 toilet rolls a year—two and half time the European average. The United Kingdom is Europe’s biggest importer of loo paper and it is said that only one day’s supply of toilet paper exists in stock.

The trucks transporting toilet paper are held up at Calais or Dover, British bottoms will have to be wiped with torn-up newspapers as in bygone days.

Some 1,300 trucks carrying goods from the continent arrive every day just for the giant German-owned low-cost supermarket chain Lidl. Airbus imports a million components on a just-in-time basis, as do all U.K. automobile manufacturers.

Britain’s economy is now completely integrated in terms of supply and transport into the rest of Europe. There are no more checks and controls on goods, people, toilet rolls, or components going between the continent and Britain than there are on goods or people moving from California to Oregon.

The handling of Brexit by Prime Minister Theresa May has been such a disaster that the chances of a major economic crash are now high. A number of ministries have made very clear that preparations have to start now to deal with the possibility of a no-deal crash-out Brexit.

This sense of panic—the highways of Kent in southern England becoming parking lots for trucks with toilets and canteens, manufacturing firms told to stockpile food, medicine, or components, and Eurotunnel slowing to snail’s pace for the 4,500 trucks using it every day as each fills in customs forms—helps to persuade public opinion and MPs that a no-deal Brexit would be very bad indeed.

The German auto firm BMW is very frightened of losing just-in-time trucks coming in to British BMW plants through the tunnel without any checks, as if they were driving from Munich to Hamburg.

Another aspect is that if any made-in-U.K. components (car engines) are shipped to Bavaria to be put into BMW cars, then the total value of the EU content in the finished car will be quite low. So the cars could not be exported outside Europe on the current basis of existing trade agreements that the European Union has with 70 countries, and could face extra tariffs.

So every day there is more pressure from business to avoid a no-deal Brexit. But this business pressure is not making front-page news, nor is it on TV — it is conversations with ministers and inside business-page stories.
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PS has anyone found out why there was a bog roll frenzy?
Yes widely reported for ages.

Brits use a ton more loo paper than all other humans on the planet.

I read they use 8 sheets a time to hold and part absorb the heart attack in a snack grease disaster in each Chip Buttie. 10 million Chip Butties a day sold clearly adds to the supply crisis.

This national crisis was predicted WAY before BREXIT -

https://prospect.org/article/brexit-panic-brits-run-out-toilet-paper

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There is palpable sense of panic slowly developing in London. Each Brit consumes 110 toilet rolls a year—two and half time the European average. The United Kingdom is Europe’s biggest importer of loo paper and it is said that only one day’s supply of toilet paper exists in stock.


When you think things can’t get more ridiculous our supreme leader always finds a way 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Glen you often love sharing with the world how many different countries you’ve visited and how you are far more expert on European culture than any Brit could hope to be.

So in your self appointed expertness surely you already know that the majority of mainland Europe lacks sewers capable of taking toilet paper and similar items. They have to use a bidet or put any waste paper in a bin.

So we use a lot because a) we are clean and hygienic and b) we bloody well can because it won’t block the sewer!

Yes, your precious Europe having to resort to toilet bins to get rid of waste because their sewer systems are so inferior. Not exactly something to brag about on a Brexit thread.

Let’s not get started on drinking the local tap water either as if you do you will be using 10x the amount of loo roll as the average Brit then 🤣🤣🤣

We have some of the best sewers in the world and our tap water is safe to drink.

I don’t wish to know your Australian toilet habits but if you are celebrating the fact that mainland Europeans use less toilet paper, I dread to think what you Ozzies must be forced to do.

This thread really is the gift that keeps on giving 🤣

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Jon E wrote:
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Global Administrator wrote:
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A ''four be two'' piece of wood is now a 50mm x 100mm piece of wood. VOILA! An ''inch thick'' conduit is now 25mm. VIOLA! Even for Brits that is not too hard to cope with surely?
No prob or me, I like maths so 1 3/4 inch x 2.54cm/inch I do in my head, round it and then calculate the number of ml of expanding foam I need to fill the gap :-)


There is Stoic British Logic for us. :lol:

Given a simple way to do things, i.e. use 50mm x 100m wood pieces for the 1000s of basic carpentry jobs a day, like all of Europe, the Brits stand on their heads, humming ''Hail Brittania, We ONCE Ruled the World', not just 4 remote windswept rocks' and make such a simple thing so obscenely complicated, at more expense, and of course, totally, totally, inefficient and non standard. And now go back to legally buying spuds and apples in pounds and ounces.

And then bewail the world has bypassed them, and moved on. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Britain has zero natural resources except seaweed, peat bogs, Scottish thistles and rock covered "beaches", and no-one wants any of them - so really should be trying to align neatly with others where possible, not revert 200 years, and becoming some kind of Hermit Kingdom. :idea:
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Who would have thought that this thread would get even more ridiculous in Cill Dara's absence. :lol: :lol:
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collectordave wrote:
21 Sep 2021 01:47

PS has anyone found out why there was a bog roll frenzy?
All I wanted to know is why bog rolls?

We were about to be besieged by a virus so people rush out and buy bog rolls?

I checked the nutritional value of toilet paper and it is virtually nil, that is probably why there are no bog roll recipe books.

Then I looked at entertainment value, again virtually nil, most people are quite entertained when getting ready to use bog roll for its primary purpose anyway.
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