WANTED 1897 Western Australia (WA) 6d Lake Lefroy Goldfield local stamp

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Re: WANTED 1897 W.Australia 6d Lake Lefroy Goldfield local stamp

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Sadly, the b*stard forgers on FakeBay are cranking these 6d Lake Lefroy stamps out, in better looking quality than the originals.

Gawd knows where they source their artwork. :roll: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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Rod Perry was never convinced any were used on cover. This kind of used makes me question that.
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The example on brown paper piece has been around the traps in years gone by.

I once had a look for evidence of the addressee "G. Liffey" in Western Australia around 1897 and drew a blank. But the goldfields had lots of itinerant workers so that might not be surprising.

A grubby (or thinned?) example on a piece is worth more than one off, so there is an incentive to "be creative".

There were many remainders which were signed ("cancelled") on request (like "LHI" manuscript provisionals).

The concern is there is nothing about the piece, absent the stamp, to connect it to Western Australia. The piece is cut (accidentally? deliberately?) in such a way to remove the destination town or site and prevents real work being done on authentication the piece.

It is difficult to get a sense from the visuals alone, but I wonder how old is the backing paper?

I don't want to get all heavy - it is an interesting but difficult piece to authenticate.
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If I recall correctly the Stamps were written on cancelled before they were placed on a mail item, therefore
the Stamp on piece is perhaps like Religion, you either believe, non believe or an agnostic .

A non tied Stamp if you wish to pursue it down a Rabbit hole, perhaps first call is an anaylsis of the gum under, if not the same as original we can all relax, should it be original we will definatly move some people , but only some , all will not believe.

All matters of these types make for an interesting hobby , they dont detract, they are the salt and pepper of the hobby.
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Global Administrator wrote: 28 Nov 2021 01:03 Rod Perry was never convinced any were used on cover.


IIRC Rod Perry once auctioned this exact example, so that is interesting. 8-)
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MJ's pet wrote: 28 Nov 2021 12:59
Global Administrator wrote: 28 Nov 2021 01:03 Rod Perry was never convinced any were used on cover.


IIRC Rod Perry once auctioned this exact example, so that is interesting. 8-)

It is totally absurd to suggest that they were not used on local cycle mail.

The service ran for several months before the owners got very heavy official warnings from the Chief Postmaster of WA to stop it, as they had no authority to run it.

Why on earth anyone would feel that occurred from the highest level, unless there was an active mail local service, defies sane belief.

I typed the following in ''Stamp News'' 16 years back, and still believe it to be true. These stamps did see genuine use - little mail to a prospector on a remote goldfield would not have been retained intact, and indeed in those very harsh mining conditions, it is amazing any used tear offs survived at all.

Those that do are clearly genuine, and anyone looking at this heavily grease stained piece and ugly grase stained stamp that feels it is fabricated, is of course entitled to their very curious view.

All I wish is, that I had not sold the unique Lake Lefroy tête-bêche pair for $15,000 under its true value! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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They were in use for only about 3 months in early 1897 to carry mail by cycle to and from the new gold rush area of Lake Lefroy and Coolgardie. The Post Office had not yet commenced any service and the Cobb & Co coach was infrequent.

No full covers are known, although a large parcel fragment is now recorded, and some used copies have the dated PO 'Coolgardie' CDS indicating they were once affixed to covers.

Covers originating from the Lake to destinations outside Coolgardie needed to have applicable WA postage added, and doubtless some 6d 'Locals' got cancelled by Coolgardie PO in this process.


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An official letter dated June 1897 from Mr Scholl, the Chief Postmaster at Perth WA warned the owners these 'local' stamps were illegal by saying 'Postage 6d' and thus breached postal regulations.

He threatened to prosecute the cycle mail service if they persisted. All goldfields area Post Offices prominently placed up posters warning the public of this new edict, and the usage ceased.

The unique tête-bêche pair was discovered in 1972 laying hitherto unrecognised in an old collection in London, and was auctioned by Robson Lowe. It was purchased initially by one of Australia's most prominent philatelists, Mr John Gartner of Victoria.

John was well known to many on the Australian stamp scene, and published all the excellent Hawthorn Press series of detailed stamp monographs, as well as publishing the 'Australian Commonwealth Specialists' Catalogue' for a long time.

The Gartner's mansion in Mount Macedon was totally burnt to the ground in the horrific 1983 'Ash Wednesday' bushfires, and with it, his entire existing stamp collection. Some sections of which were International Gold Medal winners, most notable being his unsurpassed early Fiji collection. A tragic loss to philately.

To their credit John and Zelma rebuilt the house exactly as it had been, and as John once told me: 'we simply changed a few small features we never liked in the first house'.

And although a very elderly man at that time, John bravely ventured back into philately with a passion and started buying up Zanzibar and Zululand, as he argued he could then work BACKWARDS through the British Commonwealth alphabet if he lived long enough!

Gartner's mind-boggling Western Australia collection was auctioned in April 1979 by Robson Lowe/Christies in Geneva, thankfully preceding the tragic bushfire, and contained one of the finest 4d 'Inverted Frames' to exist.

The Lake Lefroy tête-bêche pair sold for 5,400 Swiss Francs plus 10% buyer premium on an estimate of 3,250 Swiss francs. At the time £1Stg was worth 3.52 Swiss francs, so this sold for about £1,687 at that time.

I do not recall exactly where I bought the pair, but do recall it cost me only about 10% of the recent sale price to Gary Watson's client. My client in California passed away, (who collected only bicycles on stamps!) and the tête-bêche pair, later ended up in the hands of well know British dealers Argyll Etkin Ltd.

The pair seems to have been in their stock for some time, and was finally consigned to the Leski Auction, where I believe it sold for a good deal more than their marked retail price!

A standing joke in the stamp world is that NO-ONE alive can afford to pay Eric's retail prices, and he has had the last laugh on this occasion.
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Re: WANTED 1897 W.Australia 6d Lake Lefroy Goldfield local stamp

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A couple of examples coming up for auction

March 1st Lot 498 Est £2000-2500
Grosvenor Auctions London - Don Avery Collection of Cinderella’s and Locals
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Millenium Auctions - heavily thinned and torn.
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Not my area but of interest to someone I’m sure.
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Members are reminded there are superb looking FAKES of these about on ScamBay - as snaws posted today -


EBay Buyers beware.

The 6d Lake Lefroy is often listed as genuine when in fact they are replicas or photocopies. See Below.

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This example is a replica, I did not record the sale price but I am pretty sure it was only around $130.00 Which is $130.00 too much. I did not note the seller.


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This example is a photocopy. It sold for a staggering $1,291.66

The seller was crowey46. Who has been mentioned in the Dodgy eBay seller thread.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/125957877288?

There were 11 bidders and 24 bids.

Here is a scan of the genuine stamp. Stamp U35 in the list of 45 used Stamps.

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Re: WANTED 1897 Western Australia (WA) 6d Lake Lefroy Goldfield local stamp

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Here is my example of the 1897 Lake Lefroy Goldfield local stamp, sold to me by a friend out of a lot from a Spink auction. This item was described in the auction as "1897 Lake Lefroy Cycle Mail 6d. red on green (small thin) with central Coolgardie c.d.s." It appears that the circular date stamps are valid in terms of date, but may have been applied for philatelic purposes for the sale of remainders after the cycle mail service was shut down.
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Moa can you post a normal size image, and not a tiny thumbnail please?

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Moa wrote: 09 Feb 2024 07:31 Here is my example of the 1897 Lake Lefroy Goldfield local stamp, sold to me by a friend out of a lot from a Spink auction. This item was described in the auction as "1897 Lake Lefroy Cycle Mail 6d. red on green (small thin) with central Coolgardie c.d.s." It appears that the circular date stamps are valid in terms of date, but may have been applied for philatelic purposes for the sale of remainders after the cycle mail service was shut down.

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I remember seeing this at the time. An attractive looking example for sure, I would have attempted to acquire it.

For some reason Spink had mysteriously left within a mixed collection of different stamp issuing authorities and was a good deal (it made £1200 plus fees, total hammer c£1550), I only saw it just after the auction, I would certainly have bid more if I had seen it beforehand.

Link to said auction lot: https://www.spink.com/lot/18029000509
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Global Admin wrote: 09 Feb 2024 11:53 Moa can you post a normal size image, and not a tiny thumbnail please?

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Apologies, I didn't realise that the image would appear so small.
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Moa wrote: 09 Feb 2024 20:30
Global Admin wrote: 09 Feb 2024 11:53 Moa can you post a normal size image, and not a tiny thumbnail please?

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Apologies, I didn't realise that the image would appear so small.

The 'preview' button is here for EXCELLENT reason. :roll: :roll: :roll:

1866 Murray S.N. Co. "halfpenny" black 1d. red, 2d. blue and 3d. green unused without gum are worth more than the Lefroy - which had a thin. :!:

Only the incredibly lazy Spink could rape the vendors by not illustrating those major rarities. :evil:

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This set auctioned for $A3,725.
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Thanks, I did check the preview button and thought that the image was fine ... but do accept that a higher resolution picture would have been better.

My friend also sold me the set of four Murray Steam Navigation Company stamps from the same Spink lot.
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