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Is anybody interested in discussing squared circle postmarks on a worldwide basis?

I am researching this subject and discovered that there is no publication that is actually listing ALL the countries where squared circle postmarks were used.I have made my own list but it is growing day by day.

The last additions to my list I have made are:

Spain (Madrid)
Hawaii
Brazil (Belem)
China (Shangai)
Queensland (Brisbane)
St. Martin (Dutch Antilles)

I am sure I am missing some more and would like to exchange information with other aficionados of this subject
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Mattia, I just posted this squared circle of Tikamgarh/Tikamgurh, the capital of Orchha State, on another thread

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but it may be of use here, too. As far as I know, Tikamgarh was the only town in Orchha to use a squared circle; all the other post offices used ordinary circular or dumb cancellations.
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I did not have it on my list of Indian postmarks.

Which is the other tread? I could be interested to see it

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Actually, I was discussing a forgery of this squared circle cancel in the Indian States thread: http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=8480&start=6950 It's at the bottom of the page.

The British Post Office in Jammu & Kashmir also used a squared circle at one time. I'll try to find an example for you.
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Yes I have seen the thread, definitely that's out of my league but I can see that the postmark above must be a forgery.

Yes I am aware of two postmarks at Srinagar and Jammu, and also a Tavi Jammu State Mail agency.

How much information do you have about the postmarks used outside india on Indian stamps?

I have a list of Aden(3), Burma, Zanzibar, Nepal, Mesopotamia, Persia, French India but have managed to get very few samples.

I only have Aden and Aden Cantonment, Busrah, Bushire, Mahommera, Zanzibar.

Would be interested in pictures of any other one for my library.

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I'm sorry, but I concentrate only on the Indian States. I don't really know about usages outside India.

Here is a good example of the Srinagar squared circle, unfortunately on a reprint of the Kashmir ¼ Anna, so the cancellation was probably applied by favour:

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Canada
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Those are the two countries I have done less work on because everything is well documented and there is plenty of information.I am focusing more on those areas which are still a bit unknown,particularly Africa,Asia and South America. And of course I have a strong interest in the Italian area,where there are still new findings to be made.Since January I have notified the editor of the Italian catalogue of 4 new findings which were not in catalogue.

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You can add almost all the British Colonies. From my collecting area Cape of Good Hope, Orange Free State and Cyprus.

Here is the "front page" from the Cape of Good Hope.

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what publication is that on CGH?I don't have too many of CGH,only CapeTown,also the octagonal one,King Williams town,Salt River,Port Elizabeth,Kloof St. and a few others.Could I have some pictures of the Orange Free State Ones,for Cyprus I am aware of 13 postmarks in total.
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I forgot to mention Charkhari State:

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However, the squared circle cancellations were only ever used (as far as I know) to cancel-to-order. The genuine postal cancellations were CDSs, like the example at right.
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...what publication is that on CGH?I don't have too many of CGH,only CapeTown,also the octagonal one,King Williams town,Salt River,Port Elizabeth,Kloof St. and a few others.Could I have some pictures of the Orange Free State Ones,for Cyprus I am aware of 13 postmarks in total.
This is from a page that I made up, as I have quite a few of these. You can find information for them in Goldblatt - The Postal History of the Cape of Good Hope. My scanner is not working to post more images (the image above was from an old thread of mine). For Cyprus from memory you probably right (you can check with Castle's Cyprus Postal History).

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And Sirmoor State:

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In my list I have 3 Sirmoor ones, Nahan,Paonta and Rainka,
I cannot see my last message,maybe I did something wrong.
I did not have Charkhari in my list or library.
My list includes only Gwalior,Jheend,Nabha,Patiala,Jammu & Kashmir,jHairapatan,Radhanpur,Sirmoor and now also Orcha and Charkhari state

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I am looking for pictures of Nepal,Chandanagore,Karikal,Pondicherry,Yanam,Jask,Linga and Baghdad if you have any.I am also looking for a list of those used in Burma

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Jhalrapatan may have had a squared circle cancellation from the British Indian PO, although I don't have an example. This was sent from Fatehpur (I'm not sure which one) to Jhalrapatan

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with a typical Jhalawar State cancellation (not a squared circle) and a very faint British Indian Jhalrapatan CDS (again, not a squared circle).
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I did not have that one on my list.Apparently there is only one Jhalrapatan known on a stamp from Jhalawar (Great britain and Commonwealth Philatelic Society in Switzerland)

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Jhalawar State never used squared circle postmarks. I'm afraid the list is not correct.
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What the book says is that there has been a Jhairapatan square circle used on a stamp of a letter coming from Jhalawar and apparently the letter is dated Dec 04,1894.there is no picture

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It could only have been a British Indian Post Office cancellation, then, not a Jhalawar State squared circle.
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possibly,it does not specify

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Does anybody have a copy of an Hawaii squared circle postmark?

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yannis wrote:You can add almost all the British Colonies. From my collecting area Cape of Good Hope, Orange Free State and Cyprus.

Here is the "front page" from the Cape of Good Hope.

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Hi Yannis,

I have just finished sorting my Cape squared circles out and looking at your page this one got me curious, above it says July 82 as the earliest date but I have this one which seems to be May 1882.

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I also wondered if you could confirm how many offices used the squared circle as I unfortunately cannot read it on your scan of the page? I think I have examples of 39 places (not all good strikes plus I notice I am missing Montague) this is including Kuruman and Vryburg. I will list them if this would be helpful to somebody

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I would be interested in the listing.One of my publications mentions 55 post offices but does not give a listing,only mentions 15.I wonder also if I could get a copy of Yannis first page that I could enlarge,now I cannot read it too well.Can you post separate sections or email it to me?thanks

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I just came across these covers and remembered this thread:

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To Germany - Bombay - 4 cancels on one

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To Paris - Esplanade cancel?

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To Germany - Calcutta cancel
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Hi All,

Don't forget to add Nyasaland to the list, plenty of offices using SC in this country.

Also gives me the opportunity to show my avatar a bit larger 8) This is cancelled with a type 6z Banks & Roberts.

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and a type 6 used at Zomba. Difference being no dots either side of the date

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One of the bibles for BCA/Nyasaland postmarks is a book called " The Postmarks of Nyasaland & Malawi" by Banks & Roberts, available through the Rhodesia Study Circle.

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italianstamps wrote: The last additions to my list I have made are:
Spain (Madrid)
Hawaii
Brazil (Belem)
China (Shangai)
Queensland (Brisbane)
St. Martin (Dutch Antilles)

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Could you show your squared postmark of Sint Maarten/ St.Martin, if this is possible of course. I'm just curious how it looks like.

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Firstly, sorry I have not yet got round to typing up my Cape squared circle list hopefully get to it tomorrow.

Secondly Peter thanks for showing those they are spectacular!

My British Central Africa are very thin on the ground, but here are a few squared circle postmarks that I do have

Karonga
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Fort Johnston
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Blantyre
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Dedza
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Chiromo
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And finally Deep Bay

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Hi Lundy,

Thanks for the comments. Your last one for Deep Bay is interesting. This is a type 7.1 where Deep and Bay are close together, 7.2 has them much further apart. Actually the book suggests April 11 02 is the earliest seen!

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Madrid ,Spain squared circle postmark

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this is my last purchase Honolulu Squared Circle Postmark

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and this is my Saint Martin Postmark.The stamp is in bad conditions but the postmark is fairly clear. I was surprised it was not written in Dutch as Marteen but I guess at that time they used the French name?

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italianstamps wrote:[

and this is my Saint Martin Postmark.The stamp is in bad conditions but the postmark is fairly clear. I was surprised it was not written in Dutch as Marteen but I guess at that time they used the French name?
Probably, although after the treaty of Concordia (written in 1648) the Dutch and French part were officially divided. So, what would be the purpose of the French name (maybe there was just one post office on the entire island?).
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I have tried to find some more information on this postmark but till now I have not been too successful
I am very interested in getting some more info on the Dutch West indies postmarks

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Aden postmarks

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Bahrain postmarks

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Barbados A

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British Central Africa

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Cape of Good Hope

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India TPO

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Bandar Abbas

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Busrah

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Mahommera

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Bushire

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Burma

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Nyasaland

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As you will have difficulty finding one of these, here is my latest acquisition:

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Bov: Para (20 Feb 1904)

Used on a riverboat on the upper Para (so "Boven Para") river in Suriname. According to Posthistorie van het Rijksdeel Suriname 1650-1975, by Erfmann and Stuut, only known on one postal card, one envelope, and a few stamps. Their earliest known use is 11 June 1904, so the above is now the earliest known use.

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Sorry for the delay here is the list of Cape of Good Hope Squared Circle postmarks I have, it would be great if somebody could fill in on any I am missing so that there is a comprehensive list here.

43 The Strand
Aliwal North
Beaufort West
GPO Cape Town
Clanwilliam
Claremont
Colesberg
Craddock
East London
Graaf Reinet
Grahamstown
Kimberley
King Williams Town
Kloof St Gardens
Knysna
mafeking
Malmesbury
Middelburg
Montagu
Mossel Bay
Mowbray
Newlands
Observatory Road
Paarl
Port Elizabeth
Queenstown
Rondesbosch
St Georges St, Cape Town
Salt River
Somerset West
Stellenbosch
Swellendam
Uitenhage
Victoria west
Vryburg (Bechuanaland)
Willington
Woodstock Station
Worcester
Wynberg

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Also in case it is of use,

I just went through the Postmarks of the Orange Free State and The Orange River Colony by AGM Batten and from there there seems to be only one squared circle used at Bloemfontein.

There were however a number of places that used a squared Octagon design. These being:
Bloemfontein
Deput
Drienfontein
Fauresmith
Ficksburg
Frankfort
Jammerbergdrift
Koffyfontein
Kruidfontein
Phillipolis
Reitz
Reitzburg
Vrede
Zastron

Hope this is of use

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I will add the Para postmark to my picture archive,it is definitely unique...

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Cape of Good Hope

I think there could be another addition to the list

Kuruman , C.G.H.

also I would like your help to identify one of the stamps I have and which is shown in the above picture.
The squared circle postmark shows the following letters
"ACONSE" at least that's what I am reading
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Hi Mattia,

I would bet that is Beaconsfield,

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I think you are right, it can be an F at the end. But Beaconsfield is not in your list, is it a different type or should it be added to the list?

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Hi here is one from Canada, not sure if it's anything special.

St John N.B November 1? 1897. Canada

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And another from British India: Kahuta, the exchange office with the Poonch Post Office:

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and the back of the cover, with a few non-squared circle cancellations:

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I'm not sure if this Gwalior type strictly qualifies as a squared circle:

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and the whole cover

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The town name is Morar.
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And a few more Indian proper squared circles:

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Aligarh City

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Cawnpore Rly Stn No.1

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Collectorganj - Cawnpore

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Dehra Dun

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Ramgarh

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Raniganj

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Ratangarh

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Subathu

If any (or all) of this batch are of interest to you, you would be welcome to them: just email me.
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