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LONDON F.S. / M with slogan PAQUEBOT / POSTED AT SEA
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This NZ cover's hand stamp "Mailed on board S.S. Austral Envoy" says it all I think:

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Another copy of the Paquebot Port-Said cancel this time on an Australian KGV 1½d.
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A commercial insurance cover with paquebot usage from Rabaul, T.P.N.G. to Boroko, Papua:

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Recently, I acquire one with Iraqi stamp, sent from M.V. Arya Gam and posted to Bremen, Germany.

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The postmark is "BREMEN 103/14.10.78-18/28"
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Here is a French packet cancel (most probably Ligne N?) on South Australia:

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Posted this on another link, paquebot Sydney on New Hebrides 1939

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A modern one with some historical significance

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1950s “PAQUEBOT” covers THURSDAY ISLAND to TATTERSALLS!

A great combo pair added to stock today! https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=48389

ANYTHING postally used from Thursday Island is very collectible, and always has been, and even bog standard covers get good prices from there.

It is the most Northern city in Australia and it very difficult to get to. I flew north to there once (to Horn Island airport) from Bamaga, the most northerly city on the mainland, (See location "A" on map above) and it cost far more than an decent overseas flight. :D

It is located more in PNG than Australia really –
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And mail to the lottery company TATTERSALLS (“GEO ADAMS”) is as commercial as can be imagined, and also highly collected.

These were folks mailing in Money Orders or cheques to pay for paper tickets, in the next Tattersalls lottery/sweepstakes.

One of the envelopes has a blue "BHP Newcastle" crest on flap … what on earth that was doing up in Thursday Island is anyone’s guess!

And the 2 x 4d stamps cover has the sender address typed as Wollongong NSW – 3500 kms away - literally - see map above!

The April 1957 cover has 7d franking - postage was only 4d but back then there was a 3d airmail fee. To the uneducated eye this odd combo of 5 stamps would appear to be philatelic use. But from BHP to Tatts has to be 105% commercial.

The other cover is franked 8d but is also correct rate, as postage had just increased to 5d so with the 3d airmail fee surcharge, was paid to the correct 8d rate.

Two great correct useage covers from an exotic origin Post Office, both mailed from NSW senders (!!!)both with “PAQUEBOT” (“Posted At Sea”) handsamps, and better still both with DIFFERENT Paquebot font handstamps – these are all keenly collected.

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Hi all, can someone tell me is this a Paquebot?

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Micky

This is not a paquebot marking, as they were applied by the port authorities.

Yours is a ship marking, applied on board. A much more desirable item!

The cancellation was struck on mail carried in the Dutch East Indies routes, by the firm K.P.M. from 1891 to 1912.

These were struck in either black or violet. Unfortunately, I cannot tell you the ship's name. At first I thought it was the SS Teg, but I notice the first letters are 'TA'.

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Violet ink used on the strike is less common than black.

You have a very nice find and this should command a good premium.
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Could it be the SS Tambo?

Later I can check Lee's monograph of British New Guinea cancels - he listed numerous ship markings of Dutch East Indies shipping lines.

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Hi Clive, well I don't know what to say, Micky with a stamp that might command a premium price, (I think I broke something, that is not me by a long shot 8) ).

Thanks to your knowledge I checked online for ships with SS TA and came up with 3, SS Taormina, SS Tambo and SS Tagus so maybe it is one of these although Tagus sank in 1916 so I guess it might be the other 2 Ships. I will try some research and I thank you very much for your help once again, I am very happy.

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I will let you know if I find any other information.

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Kainnikanada wrote:Could it be the SS Tambo?
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It would help if a we had an issue date for the 2d adhesive, as there is another vague possibility; the SS Tasman.

However this was commissioned in 1921, which post dates the apparent mail carriage contract by KPM.

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Micky wrote: Thanks to your knowledge I checked online for ships with SS TA and came up with 3, SS Taormina, SS Tambo and SS Tagus so maybe it is one of these although Tagus sank in 1916 so I guess it might be the other 2 Ships. I will try some research and I thank you very much for your help once again, I am very happy.

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I will let you know if I find any other information.
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Look at the length of the vessel's name. The first one is too long - note where the 'T' begins relative to the 'SC' of 'MAATSCHAPPIJ'.

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I believe this marking to be SS Tasman. These markings were used into the 1930s on pacific ship mail,

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Here is an extract of the KPM fleet list; ships beginning with 'TA'. Based on this list, the prime contender is version 1 of the 'SS. Tasman', built in 1901 (see arrowed entry); followed by version 2 built in 1913.

Note that the first Tasman was renamed to SIAK, in 1913.

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But the spanner in the works is the date of the 2d. Am I right is saying that this was from one of the printings between 1913 and 1923? If so, even the first printing of 1913 apparently post-dates the end of the KPM mail carriage contract of 1912.

So the question is, "Are the dates of the contract wrongly recorded in my reference book?" or, "Were there different contracts for the different shipping routes?"

My reference is Hong Kong and the Treaty Ports of China & Japan, so the stated KPM contract dates may not refer to the route which the 2d took; probably the JAL (Java-Australia Lijn) from 1908.

We need someone with access to information about all the KPM shipping routes.

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upolo wrote:I believe this marking to be SS Tasman. These markings were used into the 1930s on pacific ship mail,
"TASMAN" would fit.
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upolo wrote:I believe this marking to be SS Tasman. These markings were used into the 1930s on pacific ship mail,
If this is so, then version 3 of the Tasman is now in the running.

Contrary to my previous nomination of version 1 of the Tasman being the main contender, I now think this is impossible. It was renamed in 1913 to the SS SIAK and the earliest issue date of the GV 2d was December 1913. So this leaves version 2 and 3 only.

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From "Ship Letters of the South Pacific" by J. Whitsed Dovey:

"S.S. Tasman of the K.P.M. (Dutch) line used two types of single line cancellation in capitals, one measuring 29 x 3 mm and the other 32 x 3 mm. Both types may be found on the 1911-1915 issues of Papua. This vessel also used the usual oval K.P.M. type (see S.S. Houtman) and a large circular type of cancellation, but the writer has only seen these on the stamps of the Dutch East Indies."

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Not sure how many setts of GB commems have PAQUEBOT cancels, NAVIRE and Port Vila Paquebot etc!

Added these up this week - https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=49043
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So NAVIRE is not a town in Surrey? :mrgreen:
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Here's Roger Lee's take on these ship markings - taken from his "Postal History of British New Guinea and Papua 1885-1942.
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- note his comment, in the last paragraph, regarding the Tasman marking's period of use.
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Impressive work Kainnikanada, so my stamp is SS Tasman with abbreviated words along the top, 2d crown over A wmk with a known flaw thanks to the Kgv thread. So the little question I like to ask is, does it have a rariety rating :?:

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Micky wrote:.... so my stamp is SS Tasman with abbreviated words along the top
That's something I didn't notice. The abbreviated version isn't shown, which would indicate a smaller oval, unless this is the 29mm version.

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My example of the SS Tasman

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Well upolo, that seems to be the strike that Mike has on his 2d GV.

What a great cover; in combination with the Brisbane 'loose ship letter' marking.

Any idea of the date?

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The date is 30 May 1924

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upolo wrote:The date is 30 May 1924
So it seems more likely now that this was from the third Tasman, built in 1921 and commissioned the following year:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Tasman_(1921)

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Sorry, pasted the link in my previous post incorrectly. It is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Tasman_(1921)

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Post Card from St. Lucia ( St.Kitts & Nevis) to Surrey, London, sent abroad SS " CHIGNETCO" of R(oyal)M(ail)S(hip)P(acket) Co on 25 April 1923.
Paquebot cachet cancels the stamps and the oval ship's cachet "Posted on High Seas " is under the stamps ( violet ink).
Also P.O. postmark " Castries - St. Lucia".
According to Hosking's Catalogue the framed cachet " Paquebot" ( 20 mm word length , and with frame's dims. 30 x 10 mm ) is very rare .


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For those interested in Paquebot Cancels I would suggest this standard reference work :

Roger Hosking, M.A., " Paquebot Cancellations Of The World " published by author, Surrey, England, 1977.

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Just one I picked up from Ireland, cancelled Paquebot Cobh used on the S.S. America made by the United States Lines Co.

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MS Estonia (not the ship from the disaster though). The card is an Icelandic one and the writer mentions the 'fascinating landscape' in his message. Is is possible this older namesake of the ill-fated MS Estonia operated around (or to/from) Iceland? Sounds quite unlikely to me.

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tpo_seapost_web wrote:A contact pointed out your site because of the Paquebot markings

On browsing through I noticed some Royal Naval Mail markings such as 'POST OFFICE / MARITIME MAIL'.

This is known as a Robertson (London) N48 and was applied in London.

Marks used on Royal Naval Mails are listed by Robertson under London as London acted as the collection point for letters posted on board HM Ships. Mail from a ship was bagged on board and sent directly to London from the port of arrival for assessment of rates - which were often privileged due to the sender being on Active Military Service.
The mark shown ( London Royal Naval Mail marking N48) is known in both red and black ink and was in use mostly between 1943 and 1950 although some examples are known from as late as 1961.

BTW: Alan W Robertson studied a lot of British maritime mail and published his findings in a large volume published about 1955. He listed the markings by British city as relevant and assigned numbers to them. Hence the British maritime marks are known by their Robertson reference number.
His book is: Robertson, AW: A History of the Ship Letters of the British Isles; The Author, Ranworth, 1955
And the data has been extended and updated by: Tabeart, C: Robertson Revisited, James Bendon, Ltd., Limassol, 1997

The TPO and Seapost Society has an Overview of Royal Naval Mail cancels.
and on its welcome site page you'll see we have a lot of info about paquebot marks too!
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Is this POST OFFICE / MARITIME MAIL postmark consider rare? I saw a cover franked with Malaya post-war stamps, beared this postmark (in red) sent to USA. Not sure if this is rare usage.

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BrieffiesWF wrote:MS Estonia Image
The stamps are from 1984. What is the postmark date ? It is not so clear. But I guess it is close to the stamps' printing date. If so then this postcard was sent from mv ESTONIA as her disaster took place later , in 1994 !

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From a different corner of the world.

Three commercial letter to Canada from St Pierre et Miquelon with Canadian «Paquebot - Posted at sea» Two received at North Sydney N.S., one at Halifax N.S.

While not very scarce, not something you get to see every day.

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A great thread, really enjoyed seeing so many wonderful examples, Here is one from my collection,

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A foldout souvenir photo lettercard from the SS Narkuna 1937
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tigris wrote:Is this POST OFFICE / MARITIME MAIL postmark consider rare? I saw a cover franked with Malaya post-war stamps, beared this postmark (in red) sent to USA. Not sure if this is rare usage.
No, the maritime mail postmark is very common. I assume the letter franked with Malaya stamps was off-loaded somewhere in the UK and sent to USA.
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Hi

This is an area which I need some help with.

I have a strip of 3 x 3d KGV with a Manila Paquebot cancel - the inner numeral 2 seems to indicate Manila P.I.

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I also have a 4d Violet KGV 2L-45 with a Paquebot cancel but I cant quite work out what the numeral is, I think 0 or 6. Can any one tell me what the location may be.

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That style of cancel was used in the US and its territories. The
numeral has nothing to do with the location.

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Sadly the are divorced :).

Although the condition is not really great, its an quite nice sotn....

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Why have one when you can have two of the Thursday Island Paquebot cancel.

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Re: Share your 'Paquebot' posted on board cancels and covers

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Not completely sure if this is one also..

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Re: Share your 'Paquebot' posted on board cancels and covers

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Ahoj Remco!

Your Swedish stamps have indeed a paquebot postmark, but no indication where it was applied.

Here is a modern 1972 philatelic paquebot cover from Grays in Essex.

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Did Grays and Tilbury have named paquebot markings in the past?

Anyone know what sort of boat the Sea Rider was?

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honza wrote:Ahoj Remco!

Your Swedish stamps have indeed a paquebot postmark, but no indication where it was applied.

Here is a modern 1972 philatelic paquebot cover from Grays in Essex.

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Did Grays and Tilbury have named paquebot markings in the past?

Anyone know what sort of boat the Sea Rider was?

Cheers,

Honza

Indeed no indication whatsoever.

Cannot find much about them also..but still looking :).

Nice cover!

Remco

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Here is one from my collection. I have a few of these:

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Franked with a Barranquilla local tax stamp. Pretty neat:

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Closeup of the ship marking

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This stamp shows that the cover was sent via the S.S. Bridgetown owned by the Colombian Steamship Company in Battery Place, NYC.

I found a reference to this ship.

Bridgetown 1920 ex- Lake Fillmore, 1923 purchased by Colombian SS Co., 1933 sold to Republic of Colombia renamed Boyuca. 2,599
According to the site:

The Colombian Steamship Co., New York was then formed to operate a route from New York to Puerto Colombia, Cartagena and later to Haiti. The service expanded to the Leeward and Windward Islands and later to Brazil and other U.S. East Coast ports.

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Sorting through the rubble here I came across these G.B. 6d Air Letters posted on board the SS Orontes and SS Strathnaver in 1960. All with paquebot camcels from various ports/countries.
Port Said, Marseille, Gibraltar & Columbo.
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Marseille, Perth, Aden & Greece.

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