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Chip,

That's very nice. I am glad you got that one with the initials.

I found another recently with the same cancellation. This one is from plate 161. No "CJ" though :(

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Here are three more, all with the 5 numeral of Ardee.

Firstly with a black cancellation (as it was supposed to be)
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then with a blue cancellation (plate 121)
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and finally with a purple-red cancellation (plate 153) matching the datestamp
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Another recent addition:

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1d red [KC] from Cork to Dublin, dated 6 March 1844, cancelled with a black "Cork Special" Maltese cross.

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A recent find -a very late usage of Mulready envelope - 1862

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Although Mulready envelopes were withdrawn from public sale in 1841, the ever parsimonious Post Office authorised their continued use on 'official' mail, mainly on internal Post Office business, until they were used up.

This envelope, stereo A175, has a date of July 29, 1862, and is addressed to Box 177 Post Office Belfast, with unfortunatelt no other markings suggesting it was sent locally within Belfast.
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Only just discovered this, my contribution is almost pale compared to the quality here

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On the plus side I only paid $5 for it and its a very early cancel for a perfed example. I am very keen now to get more Britain used in Ireland

(I actually have more Britain used in Malta)

One thing I would love to see, would be the latest use of a British stamp (In the Irish Republic not Belfast or Northern Ireland) before the 1st overprints show up).

Also one person posted an overprinted seahorse with a 1935 cancel. For values above 1 scilling (Shilling) these stamps were used up to September 1937, when the St Patrick high values were finally issued. That last type from 1935 was printed on to 1934 versions of the seahorses.
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Another recent addition. Nothing special, just nice crisp strikes of both the numeral and datestamp.

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1d red, plate 52 [CF] from Hollymount to Tuam, dated 15 October 1845, cancelled with a black Irish numeral (251 Hollymount).

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I couldn't decide whether to post this in the Irish or the Maltese Cross thread. This one wins !

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1d red [AJ] plate 11 in red, from Aughnacloy to Moy, dated 2 August 1842, cancelled with a deep dark green Maltese cross.
(Aughnacloy datestamp in matching colour on reverse).

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I came across this one in a box of bits and bobs .
Newtownstewart County Tyrone

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a couple of cancellations from smaller Post Towns...

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1d red [MH] plate 96, cancelled with a black Irish numeral (150 Collon)

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1d red [QK] plate 46, cancelled with a black Irish numeral (80 Borrisakane)

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I have recently re-written the pages of my collection showing the Irish Barred Numeral cancellations and, not wanting to be accused of duplicating posts, I have posted them here:

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=40930&p=3439018#p3439018

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I have been going through a small lot of older Great Britain stamps and saw this cancel on the 3d GB issue:

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The name Dublin in a small circle, inside a large circle is not something I've seen before. Is this a revenue cancel?

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Parcel Post cancel.

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Thanks, Jay!

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GB Penny Red from Tullamoore to Dublin
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Hi,
Parsifal1966 wrote:Image

Would be nice to have this at home guys ?
1864 entire from Ballymena to Mexico with SG 89 in pair , wing margin at left, cover is A-, it is hard to find reference on the web about auction estimates for a similar item, if there are any, i believe so, Somebody can help me out? :(
very nice letter indeed.

Can't help about an esteem but 2 shillings was the rate to Mexico for a weight between ½oz and 1oz.
Between 1oz and 1¼oz the rate was 3 shillings.
So the additional 3d seems a late fee :idea:

At top left you see via Southampton 2nd August because the sender knew that on that day a ship departed for Mexico.

The ship Tasmanian left Southampton on 2 Aug and arrived at St. Thomas on 16 Aug.
The ship Trent left St. Thomas on 16 Aug and arrived at Veracruz on 27 Aug departed from there on 28 Aug and arrived at Tampico on 29 Aug.

The next ship to depart from Southampton for Mexico was the Atrato but on 17 Aug, :arrow: 15 days later.

I don't know the meaning of that "4" handstruck :!:
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Hi Chris,

a very nice letter indeed.
CMJ wrote:The other day, I was trying to decide on my favourite acquisition of 2012 and this one came out miles ahead of anything else. It seems I was remiss in not sharing it on this thread, so I am putting that right.

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It is a letter sent from Moate via Liverpool to New York on 26 May 1847 when the transatlantic rate was 1/- (1 shilling). An entire row of a sheet of 1d reds (plate 71) lettered from AA to AL was used on the letter, split into a strip of eight and two pairs.

These were cancelled with the 331 numeral of Moate using turquoise-green ink, rather than the regulation black.

Only six cancellations were applied (one for each pair of stamps) which was also in contravention of the regulations.

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Can you post a scan of the back of the letter :?:
I'd like to check if it traveled by the Sarah Sands steamer.

Based on my data the steamer Sarah Sands left Liverpool on 15 June 1847 BUT broke some valve gearing when five days out and returned to Cork on 23 June for repairs.

It then departed from Cork on 27/29 June and arrived at New York on 19 July 1847.

The act of 1845 is the reference for the rates between US and UK for 1847.

As there was no accounting between the post offices of the two countries, each had to charge and retain its own postage.

So, as you already said, the 1/- was the packet rate via Liverpool to US.
( 8d was the rate by private ship )

Arrived at New York the letter was charged for 7¢ where 5¢ for inland postage and 2¢ for ship postage.
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Andrea,

This is the best I can do as it has been folded in a wide variety of ways by previous owners !

Nothing too exciting on the back .... There are no more markings to be seen other than these three.

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Hi Chris,

thank you very much. :D

This handstamp belong to a series called Liverpool Lozenges.

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Your type at top will always show the letter L. At the bottom the codes A/C/G/H/M.
It's known used from 1844 to 1848.

So taking a look for a ship after the 27 May 1847 I've found the ship Cambria that left Liverpool on 4 June 1847. She arrived at New York on 17 June 1847.

This is from The Economist of 29 May 1847:

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This is from The Evening Post of 18 June 1847:

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This is from the Hunt's Merchants' Magazine:

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As this is the thread that drew me to Stampboards I thought I'd share a couple of my stamps.

I'm always attracted to nice cancels of places I've never heard of before, hence I acquired this Moville example.

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However others are a complete accident! I bought this as I didn't have a nice example of the stamp but couldn't figure out what the cancel was until I discovered the excellent Philatelic Web Postmark Database, its partial search led me to discover this is a Valentia cancel.

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DaveR wrote:A GB Mulready 2d Cover used in Ireland to add to this thread.

Posted in Dublin to Master Handcock, Belmont House, Stillorgan. Stillorgan was formerly a village, but is now a suburb of Dublin.
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The silk threads that run across the cover above and below the design show up really clearly on the scan, and sealed with a blob of black wax.

Can anyone interpret the red stamp on the back - a date stamp?

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CMJ wrote:Happy to oblige Huanga, about the postmark anyway.Some information, paraphrased by me, from “The Dublin Spoon: 1855-1857” by Dr. C Dulin.
CMJ wrote:The Dublin spoon itself is much commoner than those from other Irish towns because so much mail was cancelled there but much rarer than the standard numerals because of the short period of use.So in summary, a rare example of a relatively scarce cancellation.
Chris. I was going over this thread and was horrified to note that I had not thanked you for the information you supplied, re the cancel in green.
My apologies, and many thanks. :D

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Sorry........I got the above mixed up. It was meant to show this on;

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............And apologise to Chris for failing to thank him for his very informative answer.

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Blue Tullamoore diamond cancel
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Very nice blue numeral !

It seems that the Post Master at Tullamore liked to use blue ink.

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1d red [LG] from Tullamore to Dublin, dated 4 October 1843, cancelled by a blue Maltese cross.

Shame about the stamp and the crease, but it is a nice shade of blue and it came free with something else so I can't complain.

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huanga wrote:............And apologise to Chris for failing to thank him for his very informative answer.

Huanga. :oops:
What excellent manners Stampboarders have, even though no apology was necessary.

Just happy to share what little I know.

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A couple of modern ones that I came across doing some sorting
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I thought I would add some of the examples from my collection.

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172 - Derry
105 - Carrick on Súir (Co. Tipperary) with some of this town being in Co. Waterford
80 - Borrisokane (Co. Tipperry)
67 - Blackwatertown (Co. Armagh)

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232 - Galway
283 - Killmallock (Co. Limerick)
232 - Galway

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A few more.

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Fermoy (Co. Cork) Army Official
232 - Galway
303 - Limerick

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412 - Strabane (Co. Tyrone)
142 - Clonmel (Co. Tipperary)
172 - Derry

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I am a new boy here and trust that there is no objection to my reopening a forum that has been dormant these past two years.
I have been collecting the Irish numerals for 30plus years and have recorded some 2000 different numeral postmarks plus Dublin on which I have done minimal work so far.

Has anyone traced examples of the following, preferably on dated covers:-

13 Aghadowey
47 Ballymoe (1844 type diamond)
75 Broughshane
80 Bruree
81 Borrisoleigh/ Brittas (any)
88 used at Rathdowney
98 Carey's Cross (a suggested example is shown elsewhere in this forum but is in fact an inverted 186 of Dublin - sorry to disappoint)
158 Carrigart
169 Creeslough
164 Crossmolina (original 188 diamond)
185 Draperstown
190 used at Dunkineely
224 used at Fintown
240 Glenhull
255 Islandbridge (there was supposedly an example of this at Ian Whyte's auction in Dublin c2000 but it was wrong)
286 Kilworth (original 1844 diamond)
297 Kinvara
298 Lanesborough
308 Littleton
315 used at Lahinch
347 Narin
404 Scrabby
405 Shanagolden
417 Shanagolden - for those that have not been, this is a very small village in west County Limerick
421 Swords
422 Taghmon
430 1844 allocation at Tinahely
430 subsequent use at Tinode
436 original 1844 allocation to Tubbermore
469 original allocation c1859 - office of use unknown
472 -ditto-
474 -ditto-
477 -ditto - this has been seen on a single stamp
481 -ditto-
489 -ditto-
492 Templogue
493 unknown TPO
494 -ditto-
496 -ditto-
497 -ditto-
503 Doochary
504 unknown
522 Rosmuck
546 unknown
561 Ardara
563 Carrick

A long list of difficult postmarks, I fear, but all help is appreciated and particularly welcomed in my capacity as editor of Irish Philately (journal of Irish Philatelic Circle)
Thank you
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Welcome Stan and thanks for reviving this thread.

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I think this is also an irish postmark!?

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Yes - Kilkenny is Irish
You should find a lot with 1872 postmarks - a whole batch of used telegram forms 'escaped' for that year and one finds a lot of 3d, 6d and 1/- stamps fine used, circular postmarks, with 1872 year dates - same applies to the rest of the UK, I believe.
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I found these three examples with numerals 65, 185 and 272, are these Irish postmarks? Does anyone know the allocation?

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Yes these are Irish numeral cancellations.

65 - Belturbet
185 - Draperstown, although I suspect this maybe 186 Dublin
272 - Kilarney

There is a full list in the WIKI section and also an assessment of the rarity of each on imperf. penny reds

GB - Listing of Numeral Cancellations (Ireland)
http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=40967

GB: Irish Barred Numerals: Scarcity Ratings
http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=57793

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Time for a revival of this thread, methinks.
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1d red [RJ] plate 63 from
Naas to Dublin, dated 8 July 1846, cancelled with a blue Irish numeral (346 Naas)

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Longford to Folkestone, dated 17 January 1852, cancelled with an Irish numeral (309 Longford)

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An interesting early example of overseas mail from Ireland with an unusual cancellation; the "Belfast split" - so-called because of the vertical gap in the centre of the horizontal bars.
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Belfast to Rotterdam, dated 19 February 1851, cancelled with an Irish numeral (62 Belfast - split)
The 1d red (plate 97) was used to pay the late fee (see the blue late marking on the reverse) with the letter being sent unpaid.

Pre-payment to Holland was optional at this time so there is a "1/-" (one shilling) mark to indicate payment was due on delivery, and a manuscript 60, converting this into 60 Dutch cents.

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Some great covers there Chris. :)
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GB 1867 QV 9d Straw stamp, clean used SG 110, £325
I’ve been a dealer for 40 years, and have had heaps of these 9d Straws, and trust me for this stamp, near attractive as one sees. Added it to stock for about 20% of SG. (Stock 294XE)

Usually with appalling centering and/or perfs and cancels far heavier than these.

These parcel post values almost never got cds cancels sadly, and this moderate “186” of Dublin is actually lighter than most you see. This is a pale muddy ink colour to use, and the really heavy cancels mean you cannot see WHAT the stamp underneath looks like - the complete NINE PENCE value tablet here is cancel free. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Clean and fresh and flat, and totally free of the usual hinges and gook and gunk that hide the usual repairs and faults. Spray Of Roses Watermark, Plate 4 (the only plate this watermark was printed on - very small printing), SG #110.

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2d blue [BH] (plate 2) sent from Kilrush to Limerick, dated 7 August 1844,
cancelled with a black Irish numeral (285 Kilrush)

Late use of a plate 2, 2d blue

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A few examples I have in my collection.

Irish Numeral Belfast 62. A few different examples shown.
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The following are examples from Armagh, Derry, Lisburn, Portadown and Tanderagee.

Irish Numeral Armagh 8
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Irish Numeral Derry 172
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Irish Numeral Lisburn 304
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Irish Numeral Portadown 375
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Irish Numeral Tanderagee 425
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The next lot are mostly CDS cancels, but the first on the left is a parcel cancel, but I am not sure on that. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Belfast GB used in Ireland
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The following cancels are all from Co.Cork.

Irish Numeral Bandon 59
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Irish Numeral Clonakilty 138
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Irish Numeral Cobh Queenstown 157
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Irish Numeral Cork 156
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Irish Numeral Kinsale 290
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Irish Numeral Youghal 450
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Irish Numeral Dunmanway 200
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Irish Numeral Fermoy 218
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Irish Numeral Mallow 321
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Irish Numeral Middleton 326
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A few CDS cancels from Cork, Fermoy, Queenstown (Cobh) and Mallow.

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1d black (plate 6), sent from Ballycastle to Ballymoney, dated 10 January 1841,
cancelled with a red Maltese cross

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Here are two of mine:

Tuam:

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Ennis:

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1d red [TE] plate 135, sent from Clara to Belfast, dated 23 June 1852,
cancelled with a black Irish numeral (131 Clara), plus

1d red [FE] plate 131 paying the “Late Fee”,
cancelled with Late | Fee mark

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1d red, plate 78 [BJ], cancelled with a blue Irish numeral (62 Belfast)

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2d blue pair, plate 3 [OA-OB], cancelled with blue Irish numerals (107 Castlebar)

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