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Hi,

An Australian formular aerogramme (ACSC FA3) used in Nauru:
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The aerogramme was mailed to Scotland and postmarked on 27 AP 60. The aerogramme is franked with two 5d Nauru freighter issues.

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Hi,

I bought these two as British formular aerogrammes:
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Is the second one actually missing the 6d KGVI impression?

Are both British?

Thanks for any help.

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Something different:

Apparently an aerogramme from the Mahra Sultanate, a part of the Federation of South Arabia:
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Not sure what to make of it, but it was too interesting to pass up. The design is like the Mahra State's 1967 definitives set showing its flag.

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agondocz wrote:
18 Apr 2020 07:16
Hi,

I bought these two as British formular aerogrammes:
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Is the second one actually missing the 6d KGVI impression?

Are both British?

Thanks for any help.

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agondocz wrote:
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Hi,

An interesting aerogramme from Sierra Leone:
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Perhaps a 6th example?

The aerogramme was postmarked in Freetown on 17 AU 54 and mailed to London, England.

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Requisition 1993/1 of 1953, shown in the Crown Agents archive, was for a print run of 162,000. That would have been initially for H&G4. I have not found a later requisition that would include H&G4a, so perhaps they altered the plate during the run. The earliest I have of H&G 4a is dated 27 MY 54 (I've two other used copies). I haven't yet found a used copy of H&G4 but that may be because online sellers rarely show the full sheet.
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Now that it is easier to post images, here's a few aerogrammes.

Guernsey used on the very small Herm Island.
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Taiwan, interesting aerogramme with use restricted to USA and Canada.
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Singapore.
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Hello WASC_Ray,

I appreciate your comments. I will try to find any additional information about that British formular (?) airletter.

From the May-June 2020 issue of Postal Stationery, p. 170:
The Sierra Leone aerogram printing plate was modified by adding “AEROGRAMME” sometime in 1954, and these modified aerograms were apparently issued later that year. Queen Elizabeth II had already ascended the throne in June 1953, so this modified aerogram was printed while the new definitive QE II aerogram, H&G FG5, was still being prepared. The new indicium was not ready when a new type of Tablet was devised, so it too was issued with the KGVI indicium, awaiting the QEII issue. H&G4 and 4a likely were sold for only a very short time. The unmodified plate, H&G FG4, is scarce, as it too had a short life before the plate was modified, but it’s not the rarity of FG4a
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Hi,

My thanks to WASC_Ray for his comments. They are helpful!

An air mail letter card from Australia:

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A 4d Koala and a 3d brown KGVI paid the 7d airmail letter rate from Melbourne to England and was postmarked on 4 DE 45. The addition of a "NAVAL ISSUE." overprint(?) is a first for me.

Apparently this air mail letter card was mailed before the term "Airletter" was used.

Comments appreciated.

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agondocz wrote:
13 Jun 2020 09:33
Hi,

My thanks to WASC_Ray for his comments. They are helpful!

An air mail letter card from Australia:

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A 4d Koala and a 3d brown KGVI paid the 7d airmail letter rate from Melbourne to England and was postmarked on 4 DE 45. The addition of a "NAVAL ISSUE." overprint(?) is a first for me.

Apparently this air mail letter card was mailed before the term "Airletter" was used.

Comments appreciated.

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From what I can see, it seems there is no correspondence between the cancel of the 4 d stamp and the letter. Also, there are two different cancels on the letter
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Hi Andy66,

The dates are the same on two postmarks, however the times appear to be an hour apart.
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Notice how the town corner that is attached to the Koala stamp is also cancelled by the 3d Air Mail Section postmark. The air mail letter rate was 7d.

And yet is does look as if the 4d Koala stamp was moved?

The contents of the air mail letter is about celebrating Christmas and returning to London from Perth, Australia.
Although the address shows J.L. Hayes, the writer is Peggy, his wife. Perhaps the reason for the extra 3d?

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O.R.J.Lee, in "British Forces Air Mail Letter Cards and Air Letters 1941-1977" (pub.1983 by the Forces Postal History Society), reports research he undertook at the National Postal Museum in London and also at what is now the U.K.National Archives at Kew, south-west of London. From one of these sources he records "6th December 1943. The War Cabinet overseas mail committee at their meeting on 3rd December, invited Service Departments to discontinue the use of the term Air Mail Letter Card in favour of the term Air Letter in all connections in which the former term had been used."

Is there a listing of Air Letter Cards printed in Australia? I assume from the I.A.F.F., bottom left, that it was produced there.
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Back to Sierra Leone Aerogrammes
These exist with three types of 4 line tablet. The first has the T of SENT directly under the first E of LETTER (that's type B1 using Kessler's notation). The others were called by Kessler B2 and B3, both illustrated here. Requisitions in 1952 for 180,000 and then another 100,000 appear to have been completed using tablet B2 - I've seen as early as May 1952. The 1953 requisition for 162,000 mentioned in this thread resulted in some with the tablet B3 and then a portion of the requisition had both tablet B3 and the addition of AEROGRAMME.
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Re: Br. India 1944 Naval Issue Forces Air Letter Card [Lee type ID sub-type 7/Lang ALS4 (ex-FL3)]

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agondocz wrote:
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Hi,
An air mail letter card from Australia:
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The addition of a "NAVAL ISSUE." overprint(?) is a first for me.

Comments appreciated.

Best wishes,
AndrewG
This air letter card is actually Indian, printed in my city Kolkata.

It is the Naval Issue version of Br. India 1944 I.A.F. Form 1083 Forces Air Letter Card [Lee type ID sub-type 7/Lang ALS4 (ex-FL3)].

Description of the Printing Information
1. Initials of the Printer Shri Saraswati Press Limited, Kolkata (S.S.P.LTD.)
2. Forces Print Order Reference (3289/2/G.)
3. Order No. (589)
4. Date of the Placement of the Order (10–9–43)
5. Quantity Ordered (2500000)

There are total 57 subtypes of Lee type ID Forces ALC.

References:
1. Indian Military Air Letter Cards 1942–47
ORJ Lee.
The Forces Postal History Society, Knott End-on-Sea, England 1985
Chapter X: Category ID; p.18

2. British India Postal Stationery
Derek Lang.
The Stuart Rossiter Trust Fund, Bristol, England 1998
Chapter V: Air Letter Sheets
Section 2: Group or Type List; p.160

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Hello WASC_Ray and Joy,

Thank you both for the information.

Joy: Thank you for the references and the printing information. 57 subtypes, Hmm...

WASC_Ray: In a very cursory look I was able to find Sierra Leone types B2 and B3. I was not able to find any examples of type B1.

The hunt is on, as it were!

Best wishes,
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Here is my one example of the Sierra Leone air letter with the word AEROGRAMME added; possibly we are up to seven?

It was sent from Bo on 27 October 1954, backstamped Freetown (28 October) and Tuticorin, India (4 November).
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Ethiopia Aerogramme used to Somalia in 1974
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Ethiopia Aerogramme used to Somalia in 1974

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Is It correct that the stamp is un-cancelled?

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Hi flip138,

And then there were seven.
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Canada had formular airletters both TO and FROM the ARMED FORCES
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Br. FPO 558 was located in Tarabulus, Lubnan from Aug 15,1942 to Jan 12,1946.

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Christmas Island Aerogrammes

To add to the interesting articles on Christmas Island aerogrammes, here are a few pictures from several aerogrammes, some not illustrated in the articles for which the link was provided above.

The first 1971 10c aerogramme
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Mid-1980's 40c aerogramme
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1988 53c aerogramme mint
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1988 53c aerogramme CTO
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1989 60c "Christmas" aerogramme
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1989? 60c "definitive" aerogramme
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1990 65c "Christmas" aerogramme
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1991 65c "definitive" aerogramme
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1992 70c "Christmas" aerogramme
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Hello,

I don't normally get these Aerogramme but thought a 10d + a 2d uprated in 1959 was expensive.
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I remember reading here that 1 of the Australian ones was sort after. (But can't find the article here now)

So, as I've never looked in it before.I was surprised to see a colour Invoice from
Australian Radio and Television College Pty.Ltd.
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After readfing it. I was laughing at the great way the writer was trying to get there funds.
Especially the last paragraph.

Is this a dime a dozen item & Just throw back into a box for later.

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10d was the correct aerogramme rate, so no reason to add a 2d stamp. Some specialist collectors are after the private company imprints on the writing panel.

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I picked up the following group of Aerogrammes. Nice franking and cancels on all. I don't know if anything is particularly noteworthy?

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Hi,

From Burma (Myanmar):
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The uprated 50 pyas aerogramme was postmarked on 4 AUG 55 and was mailed from Rangoon to South India.

A 5 pyas and a 30 pyas stamps were too small to cover "Inland Mail" in English.

Perhaps the above "Air Letter" cachet was unofficially made?
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Postage rates by airmail for covers to foreign countries were much higher than the rate for air letters, and for this reason, the supply of the old air letter sheets was soon exhausted. It was decided to use the abundant supply of the 1953 Island Letter Sheets as aerogrammes. These inland letter sheets of 15 pyas, showing a Hintba bird, printed in green, were overprinted in violet with a two-lined rubber stamp, reading AIR LETTER / AERO-GRAMME, in the space on the left of the printed stamp design. The large 1954 Sixth Buddhist Council 35 pyas olive brown stamp was affixed on the upper left hand corner, covering up the words, "Inland Letter" in English and Burmese, but the words, "No enclosure allowed" were not covered up. These overprinted aerogrammes were sold from Rangoon GPO only for a short time, and strict instructions were issued to the officials to sell the sheets only in this way. Inland letter sheets prepared in other ways or affixed with other stamps were not authorized; and when posted, did not usually reach their destinations.
From the article "Burma / 1955 Provisional Aerogramme" by Dr. S. Chowdhury, Postal Stationery, March-April 1972, p. 49.

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Ahoj everyone!

NIG  9d aerogramme cutout 19700928.jpg


NIG  9d aerogramme cutout card 19700928.jpg

Here is a 1970 Nigerian postcard to Czechoslovakia where postage seems to have been in the form of a 9d cutout from an aerogramme.

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The 1973 Post Office Guide of Nigeria states "Impressed postage stamps cut out of Nigerian air letter forms or embossed envelopes may be used as adhesive stamps in payment of postage provided they are not imperfect, mutilated, or defaced in any way."
I understand this was copied from previous guides. From what I have seen it was a quite a frequent practice, sometimes cutting stamps from several air letters to use on one envelope.

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Hi,

I have not seen this kind of aerogramme before:
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A formular Forces letter was overprinted Air Letter / Card, and Forces / Letter was blacked out.

Two Aden 3 annas "Capture of Aden" were used to frank this formular air letter card.

Do you think that this air letter was officially approved?

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agondocz wrote:
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Hi,

I have not seen this kind of aerogramme before:
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A formular Forces letter was overprinted Air Letter / Card, and Forces / Letter was blacked out.

Two Aden 3 annas "Capture of Aden" were used to frank this formular air letter card.

Do you think that this air letter was officially approved?

Best wishes,
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Technically, this couldn't be considered an aerogramme, because face value should be printed on the letter itself. Or is there something printed under the two stamps applied? Maybe it's some kind of "emergency use"...
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Technically it might be a formula aerogramme and so perhaps considered ineligible for a postal stationery exhibit at a show. However, there may be a 6d imprinted stamp underneath as you suggest.

I've often wondered why Italians selling covers that have travelled by air on a website like Delcampe usually use the word "aerogramma" to describe them. Are there any alternative words in Italian that they could use instead?

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Hi andy66 and WASC_Ray,

As far as I can tell there are no stamps underneath the two Aden stamps

I believe a formular aerogramme is considered postal stationery if issued by the post office.

I hope to find out more about this air letter sheet in the coming weeks.

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Hi all,

Here is a commercial one from Gilbert & Ellice Islands 8/11/1972
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Hi,

An air letter from Aden (a variety of Druce AA4):
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The air letter was postmarked 23 SEP 5? and mailed to Northampton, England. Perhaps Peter H. Robbs was a collector and dealer?

The airletter has a broken frame, but I think that the misplaced "50 CENTS" overprint is more interesting. At least to me...

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Peter H Robbs was a collector of aerogrammes to whom many were sent from across the world in the 1950s and later. He was one of a group who corresponded with each other and were regularly mailed recent issues of unwritten aerogrammes. They included Richard Singley and probably also Walter Guthrie in the USA. I believe he was interested in anything airmail related. His collection was sold at auction by Phillips in London in 1985. He sometimes was addressed as Captain Peter H Robbs.
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Just came across this. It's from Spain.
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Oh, and this.
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Another Olympic aerogramme in my collection - this time from San Marino, issued in 1985 to commemorate the Intermationa Olympic stamp exhibition, Olymphilex'85, in Lausanne

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Hi,

My thanks to WASC_Ray concerning Peter H. Robbs. Richard Singley and Walter Guthrie were both dealers, I believe. I occasionally see these names on aerogrammes from the various Gulf States (among other countries).

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This aerogramme was mailed from Dacca in what was then East Pakistan to Ann Arbor, Michigan. The 40 paisa Hourglass was overprinted 30 Paisa (Wiegand 33). Two 15 paisa commemoratives were added to pay for the 60 paisa aerogramme rate. The aerogramme was postmarked 26 AUG 67. The Ann Arbor backstamp was JUN 11 1969. A very long time in transit, perhaps.

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Thought I would share some air letters I bought, I don't know a lot about them but thought some might be more scarce?
These 2 Southern Rhodesia ones look the same but actually on the right hand side shows difference in orientations of the sender:
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Then there are these South Africa overprinted Basutoland which seem to be subtely different? 2 have a printed number in?
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Grateful for any thoughts

More to come

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Next there are some Basutoland overprinted with new currency and not
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A nice Bechuanaland air letter
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Two Pakistan overprinted handstamped i think, Bangladesh
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Final ones to come

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Finally some world ones

Austria
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Dubai
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Norway used ones
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Thanks I have picked up some used ones i keep putting aside as and when they come along and will try and scan them later...

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Next there are some Basutoland overprinted with new currency and not
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Bet THAT pair would be hard to replicate! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Anyone have a Rodney Perry Auction catalogue 203, from 1999?

I have some older ones but Murphy's Law of course ... not this one among them!

My much missed friend Rod of course had a set, but sadly those are now sold I understand. :roll:

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=90512

Bought an Estate which had Perry invoices, and the relevant items still on Perry auction stockcards. See above. (Stock 315AJL)

Have a few that I have no idea why, but $100s were paid for them, over 20 years back, so the key will be in Rod's lot description - thanks in advance! :mrgreen:

The three above were invoiced at about $A250, over 20 years back. WHY???

Three Airletters/Aerograms from oz Banks to Greece. One from Tenant Creek, Northern Territory. All with bank forms and receipts printed inside.

They are the unstamped FORMULAR types. Why banks used those I have no clue. WHY would they sell for that?

I'd be delighted to get HALF what they fetched over 20 years back. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Glen,

The approval number 54 is quite often seen, as the owner of the approval number sold the forms to banks. The approval number 37 has not seen that much use, in my opinion. This one could fetch 40 USD, the others 15 USD each.

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An interesting thread, just recently found. I particularly like the uprated aerogrammes and the censored items.

I have quite a lot of reading to do.

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Glen,

The approval number 54 is quite often seen, as the owner of the approval number sold the forms to banks. The approval number 37 has not seen that much use, in my opinion. This one could fetch 40 USD, the others 15 USD each.

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Many thanks!

Rod in Canada found the 21 year old Perry sale catalogue listings for these.

They sold for way over estimate at $A250 invoice, so clearly there were several bidders.

All posted 1960s from the Northern Territory to Greece is pretty exotic! That might have added to the appeal?

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In the past two years or so, quite some aerogramme forms with approval #54 showed up on delcampe. For me, it looked like someone had got access to archival communications of a bank in Greece.

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Hi,

An Australian formular aerogramme #61:
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The inside:
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The aerogramme was postmarked on 26 AU 68 from Melbourne University and mailed to Oxford, England.

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