Assistance needed re plating the GB QV 1841, 1d Red Imperforate stamps

Wentworth · Post by **Wentworth** » 23 May 2022 00:31

May I check if this is a late usage of a plate 12 penny red? Thank you

GB1840 · Post by **GB1840** » 23 May 2022 01:07

Hi, sorry not plate 12 but not checked further.

regards

Wentworth · Post by **Wentworth** » 23 May 2022 01:56

Okay that’s a shame, but thank you very much for taking a look at it!

emason · Post by **emason** » 23 May 2022 02:46

Wentworth wrote: ↑23 May 2022 00:31 May I check if this is a late usage of a plate 12 penny red? Thank you

I think it is plate 61. But it could easily be 67.

pertinax · Post by **pertinax** » 26 May 2022 03:27

DMAHolmes wrote: ↑23 Feb 2022 02:35

Hello All

I have found 2 x QV 2d Blue stamps in some paperwork of my fathers - see above.
I have no knowledge about stamps and really need some help in identifying them to find out whether they have any value before I decide what to do with them.

I do hope this is the right thread to post on, if not please do move!

Thanking you in anticipation.
Debra

emason wrote: ↑23 Feb 2022 03:52 Hello Debra,
Your twopenny blue stamps:

The left one comes from plate 4 and its catalogue number is SG19. (small crown watermark, perforated 16)

The right one is from plate 5 and is probably SG34. (large crown, perforated 14).
If it has a small crown watermark then it is SG23A.

Given their visible condition, their value would be about £5 each.

Sorry to come in late on this but in fact both stamps are unit SH of plate 4 - together they make a perf 16/perf 14 matched pair.

The letter positions of SH between plates 4 & 5 has some similarities and the off-centre perf 14 example helps hide this, but while both plates have a part right side recut that on plate 4 is about twice as long as plate 5. Also plate 4 has a tiny extension of the right side at the top, that is seen on both the subject stamps. These features are marked up on the image below, taken from the registration sheets.

The final thing to remember is plate 4 was subject to lots of corrosion spots that are most noticeable in the letter squares, so when I see those dots around the H on the second stamp, that 'screams' plate 4 to me.

Sorry, Bill!

Scott

emason · Post by **emason** » 26 May 2022 17:33

Still learning.

rory462 · Post by **rory462** » 31 May 2022 21:53

Would anyone be able to help with this.

emason · Post by **emason** » 31 May 2022 22:21

The image is too small to plate.
You would stand a better chance of a reply if you scanned the stamp at 600 dpi and cropped it so that only the stamp is showing.

pertinax · Post by **pertinax** » 31 May 2022 22:32

I'll take a stab and suggest plate 167.

But Bill is right - a larger image is needed to confirm beyond doubt.

Scott

Kilcockabu · Post by **Kilcockabu** » 01 Jun 2022 01:15

Hi all.
Thanks for your help previously.
I have six (6) new 1d Red imperforate that I need help in plating.
I have scanned them in 600dpi so I hope the images are clear enough.

rory462 · Post by **rory462** » 06 Jun 2022 21:02

Now, this is a beautiful stamp (I think) but is anyone able to help re: plating -silly question, of course this site can!

emason · Post by **emason** » 07 Jun 2022 03:17

rory462 wrote: ↑06 Jun 2022 21:02
Now, this is a beautiful stamp (I think) but is anyone able to help re: plating

Yes, it is a very fine stamp, which I think is from plate 120 (not 100% sure)

RedWimp · Post by **RedWimp** » 08 Jun 2022 03:18

I have a batch of these would be great if you clever folk could help with please.

: Penny Red "AB"

: Penny Red "NC"

: Penny Red "?AF"

: Penny Red "MH"

: Penny Red "AL"

: Penny Red "PI"

: Penny Red "DF"

: Penny Red "GI"

rory462 · Post by **rory462** » 10 Jun 2022 21:03

Thankyou to emason and pertinax -as usual someone can help. Now I have a question. If you right click on the image and then expand using the 'Zoom' icon doesn't that give a clear enough picture> I am still trying to master the larger image system as mine seem to work with some images and not with others-very annoying I can tell you.

rory462 · Post by **rory462** » 23 Jun 2022 03:30

Help needed again re: plate and advice.

CMJ · Post by **CMJ** » 23 Jun 2022 04:23

Not sure why you posted this one again in a separate topic when an opinion has already been given above.

rory462 · Post by **rory462** » 23 Jun 2022 20:13

Ah - sorry about that. What can I say? Age?

rory462 · Post by **rory462** » 23 Jun 2022 21:30

Further to this topic ; could anyone tell me the colour as my Stoneham has several different? I find it verey difficult to make a decision on this so any help vcery much appreciated.

Tod.Moore · Post by **Tod.Moore** » 05 Jul 2022 00:59

Hello everybody. I was hoping that somebody might assist with this one. It is location HH, and I was thinking that it might be one of the early plates – number 5. Any help would be most welcome. Cheers, Tod.

: UK 1841 definitive stamp. 1d. Red, HH, Plate unknown, maybe 5.

emason · Post by **emason** » 05 Jul 2022 02:44

Tod.Moore wrote: ↑05 Jul 2022 00:59 Hello everybody. I was hoping that somebody might assist with this one. It is location HH, and I was thinking that it might be one of the early plates – number 5. Any help would be most welcome. Cheers, Tod.

I would be happy to call that a plate 5.
In addition to the check letters, the weak NE corner and the slight extension to the base line eastwards point to plate 5.

Kilcockabu · Post by **Kilcockabu** » 05 Jul 2022 03:33

Kilcockabu wrote: ↑01 Jun 2022 01:15
I have scanned them in 600dpi so I hope the images are clear enough.

Hi all.

I submitted this previously but got no replies. Perhaps someone could now help with these 1d Red imperforate that I need help in plating.

Global Administrator · Post by **Global Administrator** » 05 Jul 2022 03:53

Kilcockabu - Plating 1d imperfs is tough, even WITH great images.

Yours are all uncropped, very blurry and fuzzy really - hence no-one took the time I'd guess - the 'DF' one below from earlier in this thread really is the standard needed for free advice.

You can add images here at double the size you have oaded. I pay the hosting bills, and clarity is the KEY, which is why we allow such large images.

No idea what scanner you use, but most here use Canon Lide scanners - cheap, and superb for stamps.

YOUR 'HA' below in comparison, is just a fuzzy pink blur, as you can see.

Admin

Kilcockabu · Post by **Kilcockabu** » 05 Jul 2022 05:05

Thank you for the reply.
I will try to work on my scanning technique and improve my images. The quality of my scanner is not an issue, it's me!.
Again thanks for your input.

Tod.Moore · Post by **Tod.Moore** » 05 Jul 2022 09:30

emason wrote: ↑05 Jul 2022 02:44
I would be happy to call that a plate 5.
In addition to the check letters, the weak NE corner and the slight extension to the base line eastwards point to plate 5.

Many thanks, Bill, the letters and the weak corner were my clues, but had not noticed the base line. Greatly appreciated. Cheers, Tod.

Global Administrator · Post by **Global Administrator** » 05 Jul 2022 12:38

Kilcockabu wrote: ↑05 Jul 2022 05:05
The quality of my scanner is not an issue, it's me!

I'd doubt that. Most 20 quid 3 in 3 jobbies produce far crisper images!

A Canon Lide is the go for sure as you can see from other scans here.

rory462 · Post by **rory462** » 11 Jul 2022 09:13

Could anyone advise plate number and desirability? Also any help on why that numbeer.

emason · Post by **emason** » 12 Jul 2022 03:33

rory462 wrote: ↑11 Jul 2022 09:13 Could anyone advise plate number and desirability? Also any help on why that numbeer.

Plate 9
'O' flaw
Desirability is something only you can judge.

rory462 · Post by **rory462** » 12 Jul 2022 09:08

Brilliant -thanks Mr Mason. The desirability thing was... does the full MC (lovely though it is) cancel out the lack of profile which obviously is the result of said MC? I just wondered if there was some guidelines accepted by collectors. Anyway thanks again.

Highlander · Post by **Highlander** » 19 Jul 2022 21:00

Hoping this may be BK Plate 175 ?

: SG 8 Plate 175 Penny Red

pertinax · Post by **pertinax** » 19 Jul 2022 21:06

Highlander wrote: ↑19 Jul 2022 21:00 Hoping this may be BK Plate 175 ?

It's alphabet 1, so no.

Scott

GB1840 · Post by **GB1840** » 19 Jul 2022 21:08

pertinax wrote: ↑19 Jul 2022 21:06
Highlander wrote: ↑19 Jul 2022 21:00 Hoping this may be BK Plate 175 ?
It's alphabet 1, so no.

Scott

Plate 80 I reckon.

Highlander · Post by **Highlander** » 19 Jul 2022 21:27

Many thanks .

Post by **gavin-h** » 19 Jul 2022 21:37

Could the team give me an opinion on this one please - I'm pretty sure from the image that it's a GH (but with the postmark it just might be a GK?)

Thanks in advance - and apologies, this is the best image I have from the seller.

: GB 1841 Penny Red GH or GK

GB1840 · Post by **GB1840** » 19 Jul 2022 23:16

gavin-h wrote: ↑19 Jul 2022 21:37 Could the team give me an opinion on this one please - I'm pretty sure from the image that it's a GH (but with the postmark it just might be a GK?)

Thanks in advance - and apologies, this is the best image I have from the seller.

I think GK, and if so possibly plate 32 (which would be late use with 1844 cancellation), but a better scan required to be sure.

Post by **gavin-h** » 20 Jul 2022 04:23

GB1840 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2022 23:16 I think GK, and if so possibly plate 32 (which would be late use with 1844 cancellation), but a better scan required to be sure.

Thank you for taking the trouble to check this one out for me.

MrBeagle · Post by **MrBeagle** » 27 Jul 2022 10:08

I'm all over the place on this one -- Plate 31 or 34 or 36? Help!
Thanks in advance.
Ralph

emason · Post by **emason** » 27 Jul 2022 23:07

MrBeagle wrote: ↑27 Jul 2022 10:08 I'm all over the place on this one -- Plate 31 or 34 or 36? Help!
Thanks in advance.
Ralph

Hello Ralph.

I think it's plate 31.
Slight basal shift, trace of vgl in NE square and short 10 o'clock ray in NW star.

MrBeagle · Post by **MrBeagle** » 28 Jul 2022 03:50

Once again my thanks, Bill. The letters' positions are very similar on all three, but I wasn't sure about the faint v.g.l. in the N.E. square. I appreciate your expert opinion.
Ralph

DrWatson · Post by **DrWatson** » 04 Aug 2022 14:32

How much more valuable would a plate 11 be than the others- all else being equal as far as cond, centering/margins, etc?

Can someone assist with the plate number on this please?

The I looks very far to the right and I cant find a comparable one on Maltesex.

--Joe

Allanswood · Post by **Allanswood** » 04 Aug 2022 17:46

Its RED, what thread are you in?

GB1840 · Post by **GB1840** » 04 Aug 2022 20:21

DrWatson wrote: ↑04 Aug 2022 14:32 How much more valuable would a plate 11 be than the others- all else being equal as far as cond, centering/margins, etc?

--Joe

A plate 11 black (which I assume you mean) is catalogued around 12x cheapest plate in VFU condition based on SG catalogue, i.e £4600 vs £375 for the most common plate.

DrWatson · Post by **DrWatson** » 04 Aug 2022 21:56

Allanswood wrote: ↑04 Aug 2022 17:46 Its RED, what thread are you in?

I originally posted in the penny black sting falling to see there was a dedicated red string. I was redirected here.

DrWatson · Post by **DrWatson** » 05 Aug 2022 02:18

GB1840 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2022 20:21
A plate 11 black (which I assume you mean) is catalogued around 12x cheapest plate in VFU condition based on SG catalogue, i.e £4600 vs £375 for the most common plate.

Thanks.

emason · Post by **emason** » 05 Aug 2022 03:15

DrWatson wrote: ↑04 Aug 2022 14:32 How much more valuable would a plate 11 be than the others- all else being equal as far as cond, centering/margins, etc?

Can someone assist with the plate number on this please?

The I looks very far to the right and I cant find a comparable one on Maltesex.

--Joe

Hello Joe,

A 1d red plate 11 is the cheapest of the 'black plate' reds at cat £130.

Your stamp looks like plate 101 to me - cat £35 in very fine condition (which yours isn't).

I don't think you will find plating information on 'Maltesex' for plate 101.

Stamps4Life · Post by **Stamps4Life** » 06 Aug 2022 06:12

May I please get some help plating this HB ? I dont have good reference but have looked at Registration Sheets. Im all over the place on this and very new to Plating. Plates 12, 17 or 25 ??

GB1840 · Post by **GB1840** » 06 Aug 2022 08:12

Stamps4Life wrote: ↑06 Aug 2022 06:12 May I please get some help plating this HB ? I dont have good reference but have looked at Registration Sheets. Im all over the place on this and very new to Plating. Plates 12, 17 or 25 ??

I think 12, showing the small NE break.

DrWatson · Post by **DrWatson** » 06 Aug 2022 11:20

emason wrote: ↑05 Aug 2022 03:15
DrWatson wrote: ↑04 Aug 2022 14:32 How much more valuable would a plate 11 be than the others- all else being equal as far as cond, centering/margins, etc?

Can someone assist with the plate number on this please?

The I looks very far to the right and I cant find a comparable one on Maltesex.

--Joe
Hello Joe,

A 1d red plate 11 is the cheapest of the 'black plate' reds at cat £130.

Your stamp looks like plate 101 to me - cat £35 in very fine condition (which yours isn't).

I don't think you will find plating information on 'Maltesex' for plate 101.

Thank you

Stamps4Life · Post by **Stamps4Life** » 13 Aug 2022 07:51

Not the prettiest stamp! But im practicing.... May i get some thoughts as to the which Plate this is from? I have measured 5+ 5- 7 5+
but am not the best at it. I think either Plate 20 or 49 (which is a little late though for MX's I think).

emason · Post by **emason** » 14 Aug 2022 00:11

Stamps4Life wrote: ↑13 Aug 2022 07:51 Not the prettiest stamp! But im practicing.... May i get some thoughts as to the which Plate this is from? I have measured 5+ 5- 7 5+
but am not the best at it. I think either Plate 20 or 49 (which is a little late though for MX's I think).

I think this is plate 29.
vgl NE and hgl SE.

Stamps4Life · Post by **Stamps4Life** » 14 Aug 2022 13:26

Talk you Bill. The E had me a little stumped. But what you point out and I think now a NW 10 o'clock ray flaw.